SURVEY: Should Yingluck be granted political asylum?

[AGareth2]

2 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

Are you new?

I've only been a member 10 years longer than you

[Bastos60]

3 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Brave woman who, for a political novice, excelled. Thailand will be much less for losing her. 

 

She wasn't a real novice and wasn't a great politician, she must actually have been one of the worse in the history of Thailand.

Don't overestimate that pretty <deleted>. Her government was plagued with mismanagement of which the rice pledge scheme has drawn 
all the media attention. I am not in favor of the current Junta, who should have withdrawn from politics once the initial damage was under control. But yes a 30 years sentence is too much and the seizure of her assets is unneccessary. 

[Ossy]

Having voted against her being forced to return, I have never seen YL as a totally 'clean' person and, with a bro like Thaksin, with proven mass-corruption against him and huge personal wealth, herself, that may not have come solely from her successful businesses, what can you expect? With no political experience or nous, one should ask whether her motives were more ego-driven than Phew Thai conviction-driven. My looking from cover-to-cover at her 'Prime Minister' glossy colour mag - 2013, I think it came out - convinced me that she was PM for the former, questionable reasons.

 

Regardless of motives, I would have expected a person with so much business acumen to have been able to better judge the political 'dynamite' of the rice subsidy scheme and, accordingly, have either managed the scheme more responsibly - toning down the suicidal rice prices and eliminating scope for corruption - or abandoned it altogether, as unwarranted vote-grabbing.

 

Most, I'm sure, would agree, in hindsight, that she was guilty of failing her responsibilities as PM, the malfeasance charge, but not guilty of anything more untoward or criminal than that act of negligence. I wonder how many politicians are aware that if they fail in a task under their remit or responsibility, it will constitute a criminal offence, punishable by imprisonment? And, what if there had been proven malfeasance, but with little or no financial loss; what would the judges have been handing down, then. Surely the sentence should relate to the crime itself, i.e. negligence and not to the financial loss of the rice scheme. 10 years or 5, even, was far too heavy a price for ineptness.

 

That said, I'd have thought that a very hefty fine would have been a fair and just punishment and, if it were possible, within the law, confiscation of a 'fair' portion of her personal wealth so that she could 'feel' the effects of her naivety and negligence. Yes, I know, I'll be jumped on from all angles - legal, ethical and whatever, but this whole YL thing was, you will agree, a very difficult case to judge.

[Artisi]

36 minutes ago, Jimbo53 said:

Same subject matter!!!

Yeah, but different charge.

[Ricardo]

2 hours ago, sn1per said:

yeah i think that's probably about it seeing as she only got a sentence of five years as opposed to 30 and 40 year plus sentences for other defendants in the case.

 

Sorry, but they were two different cases, and anyway her maximum-exposure was 10-years.

[Thian]

3 hours ago, sn1per said:

So, in this case, should we say that whoever was prime minister of x country when the world financial collapse occurred should be prosecuted for losing money for that particular country? If every prime minister was prosecuted for bad financial decisions the job would be redundant.

 

Nope,

In case of the last financial crisis caused by the USA-bankers those bankers should pay all the damage done, worldwide.

Banks in my own country also paid already for their part.

 

But i bet the USA will never do it so it's a huge damage to their reputation.

[Bastos60]

3 hours ago, sn1per said:

So, in this case, should we say that whoever was prime minister of x country when the world financial collapse occurred should be prosecuted for losing money for that particular country? If every prime minister was prosecuted for bad financial decisions the job would be redundant.

 

This is surreal. Maybe read indept analyses of the rice scheme fiasco and you will understand it has nothing to do with the financial 'collapse' which was nothing more than a credit crunch.

[Bastos60]

3 hours ago, sn1per said:

yes I do

No you didn't. It is very clear from your post that you don't have the slightest clue.

[funandsuninbangkok]

2 hours ago, jgarbo said:

You must be a recent arrival. I covered her brother & her. Scammers start to finish. The Hakka are notorious, even back in China. Do some research.

Over 10 years here. Republican.  One man one vote. Churchill - democracy is a terrible system but much better than all the rest. 

 

Any moral bearing in you or is all your hate generated by the Thai press 

[Bastos60]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Duck said:

I believe Yingluck campaigned on the rice pledging plan which I understand legally won her the election. I believe her wealthy opponents put all efforts towards manipulating the price of rice to assure her plan was a failure so they could stage another military overthrow. 

 

This is what I call great sarcasm.

[funandsuninbangkok]

1 hour ago, Bastos60 said:

 

She wasn't a real novice and wasn't a great politician, she must actually have been one of the worse in the history of Thailand.

Don't overestimate that pretty <deleted>. Her government was plagued with mismanagement of which the rice pledge scheme has drawn 
all the media attention. I am not in favor of the current Junta, who should have withdrawn from politics once the initial damage was under control. But yes a 30 years sentence is too much and the seizure of her assets is unneccessary. 

Welllll,  I can't imagine what you would do with the EU or US congress. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_farm_bill

[Rimmer]

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[Bastos60]

1 minute ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Welllll,  I can't imagine what you would do with the EU or US congress. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_farm_bill

 

In case of the EU, there is no financial pitfall at the end as any subsidies are financed beforehand. 

For the YL administration, there was not financing for the scheme in place, it was a huge gamble on the future price of rice.
And gamblers sometimes make bad bets.

[wakeupplease]

Its quite simple over the last 3.7 years our lives have been restricted you cannot say anything that might upset someone, if you do its jail, so democracy is a thing of the past under the current set up. Just say you do not believe everything said about the Shins and you get jumped on by keyboard warriors who face to face would not have the balls to say anything. Its called political persecution and lies flow like water.

 

So yes Asylum is the right thing for any decent country to offer, as some country's have now slipped into a cesspit of properganda.

[funandsuninbangkok]

3 minutes ago, Bastos60 said:

 

In case of the EU, there is no financial pitfall at the end as any subsidies are financed beforehand. 

For the YL administration, there was not financing for the scheme in place, it was a huge gamble on the future price of rice.
And gamblers sometimes make bad bets.

Financed?

 

both EC and US gov have massive deficits. They borrow money and give it to farmers to NOT grow food. 

 

The rice subsidies may be bad policy but it gives wealth to poor people an the money goes to the rural economy. 

 

Hardly criminal(unless you want to control the government and you can't think of a better scheme)

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, jgarbo said:

You must be a recent arrival. I covered her brother & her. Scammers start to finish. The Hakka are notorious, even back in China. Do some research.

 

Are you trying to insinuate that the Hakka are scammers? Even back in China? There are men of high morality and principle that are Hakka like Sun Yet Sen, Deng and Lee Kuan Yew. You furthering your hatred for the Shin in a wrong way like spewing nonsense. 

[AboutThaim]

5 hours ago, Thian said:

She should get extradicted to Thailand and go to jail. 

I guess there would be a big queue if it came to extra dickting her.  Just not sure if that would be punishment or pleasure

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

EC and US gov have massive deficits. They borrow money and give it to farmers to NOT grow food. 

 

 Ditto Japan. Government pay hefty subsidies for the farms to lie fallow. 

[maddox41]

Is it that easy to get asylum in the uk probably if you have a sob sorry and a big fat wallet 

Look at the guy from fools and horses tv show he can't get his thai wife into the uk and he seems all legit 

But if you a lieing cheating stupid coward and have no back bone and corrupt as shit 

No worries come on down to old blighty we love to have you 

 

[JAG]

Always quite revealing Eric, when someone declares race (even if they do so inadvertently) as being a prime justification for a blanket condemnation., or as grounds for political opposition to someone...

[RichardColeman]

In the event that this can lead to my wife and child claiming asylum from the Thailand junta and save me visa settlements fees, I vote yes.

[wakeupplease]

51 minutes ago, maddox41 said:

Is it that easy to get asylum in the uk probably if you have a sob sorry and a big fat wallet 

Look at the guy from fools and horses tv show he can't get his thai wife into the uk and he seems all legit 

But if you a lieing cheating stupid coward and have no back bone and corrupt as shit 

No worries come on down to old blighty we love to have you 

 

Wake up there is a law designed to curb immigration and it states he must have an income to support her, he does not at this time have 1 years income to show so she is not allowed into the UK, Many people of all nations suffer from the law. Its not just Thai people.

 

You kick off about this yet here A farang cannot own a house or land, in the UK she could and when he shows his yearly earnings she will be allowed in.

 

Its 10 times worse for a Farang here and you know it so stop your moaning

[wakeupplease]

24 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

In the event that this can lead to my wife and child claiming asylum from the Thailand junta and save me visa settlements fees, I vote yes.

Not a chance mate, just pay the visa settlements and get your life back on track with all the freedoms, no idiot drivers or big bullS>>> liars, not so much sunshine but hey you can put another coat on when its cold, but cannot take the skin off when its hotter than hell. Water well you can have a shower anytime all of year and when you get old you will not be looking for a condo balcony to try flying off as there they have police who know all about Forensics.

 

At 65 you will still have healthcare and none of those bloody Mosquitoes giving you Dengue fever or Zika .

[AboutThaim]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

 Ditto Japan. Government pay hefty subsidies for the farms to lie fallow. 

Not in Australia!  They just let businesses import anything and everything that can be grown in Australia and let the farmers go broke.  Everyone knows that food really comes from the supermarket!

[mikiea]

10 hours ago, Thian said:

She should get extradicted to Thailand and go to jail. 

for being a failed goverment employ who did wrong ?  by that standard every thai  politician should be locked up ...dude or dudette what you smoking ? pass it on why .......

[farcanell]

7 hours ago, TKDfella said:

She was born and raised in the Thai system; She accepted the Thai system and got her fortune by using the Thai system; She should accept the judgement of the Thai system...but then again, she has probably never read Plato's work about Socrates, Ha!

 

Perhaps the reality is more that she screwed up by not pre pardoning herself, as this seems to be an accepted part of the Thai system, as is corruption (which is deemed acceptable by an horrendous percentage of the population, especially bangkokians.). .... but seemingly now her enemies are complaining about (her) corruption, so it's arguably them that's not conforming to the norm re the Thai system

 

 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

No. She was aware of what was going on, the rice scam was just a very expensive con and a smoke screen to get her brother's amnesty through the back door.

TRT or Phu Thai or whatever you call them are just a load of self enriching parasites that play on a populist agenda they rip off people with.

Only one idea was worthwhile, but even that wasn't costed realistically, the health scheme.

UK is a soft touch and she might get "political" asylum, but I hope not.

 

 

 

[sn1per]

14 hours ago, Artisi said:

Thought we were discussing YL, not some other peripheral case. 

its not a peripheral case they were co-defendants in the same case

[4MyEgo]

18 hours ago, steven100 said:

she is a convicted criminal in exile ....   what do you reckon  ?

 

get a discount & buy two seats to bring her back and the brother.

Convicted criminal says you and the Junta, who were brought in to take her out, they rule everything, and to think you and others here are so naive, well that puts you in with the rest of the them.

 

At least both her and her brother did good for the poor of Thailand, as opposed to the yellow shorts who just put the proceeds straight into their pockets after distrusting the money with their hit men, so what is they took some money, at least they gave at the same time, i.e. distributing it with the poor.

 

Wake up or keep being part of the flock, whatever suites your limited capacity to comprehend what is going on in the real world, next thing you will tell me is that North Korea is a threat to the US with its 8 or so nuclear weapons, Vs the overbearing US mafia's 7,000 or so nuclear warheads. 

[Sumarianson]

The UK have already sheltered despots like Pinochet a dictator and his wife, Taksin, numerous fraudsters from Turkey and elsewhere. Why not shelter another fraudster it is well in keeping with the acceptance in the UK of corrupt individuals with money. Shame on the UK whom I paid 40 yeats taxes to.