'Active shooter' near Las Vegas casino

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Now is the best time to talk about GUN CONTROL.

After the biggest mass shooting in American history. 

Yes?

When is a better time? 

When the topic is off the front pages?

I know, I know, zero chance of anything changing.

Even when there was a massacre of school children by a known mentally ill person, nothing could be changed. Sick!

No no no....pundits will be angrily explaining that stricter gun control laws wouldn't have prevented it, and if those concert goers had been carrying guns (sniper rifles with night scopes?) they could have returned fire, and anyway Alex Jones will claim to have proof it never happened and is all a government conspiracy (deep state government of course, not Trump government).

[Ruffian Dick]

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

According to the news, he was a retired accountant, had invested in some apartments, and owned a private plane.  He didn't seem to be hurting for funds.

Where do you "guesstimate" that figure?

In Nevada you can get a license for a full auto firearm for about $200.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html

[Ruffian Dick]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

No no no....pundits will be angrily explaining that stricter gun control laws wouldn't have prevented it, and if those concert goers had been carrying guns (sniper rifles with night scopes?) they could have returned fire, and anyway Alex Jones will claim to have proof it never happened and is all a government conspiracy (deep state government of course, not Trump government).

It was a Country-Western concert in one of the most firearm friendly states in the US. Where were the "good guys with guns"?

[howto]

Thanks for the replies,

I, for one, am quite pissed off about this.

 

Sincere heartfelt emotions to those injured, and to those whom lost loved ones.

 

[Ruffian Dick]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

According to the news, he was a retired accountant, had invested in some apartments, and owned a private plane.  He didn't seem to be hurting for funds.

You can get in debt by owning apartments and planes just as surely as you can get rich.

[Grumpy Duck]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Islamist terrorist, or yet another nutter who due to America's gun laws and Nevada's open carry laws found it all too easy to exercise his second amendment right to obtain and then use a weapon?

 

The name of his companion suggests the latter.

 

No doubt the police will confirm one way or the other once they have the facts.

I have been reading Las Vegas News and accounts from friends that live there. As of 15 minutes ago the dead count was 58 and over 500 injured. The shooter was NOT a Las Vegas resident, he was Steven Paddock from Mesquite, NV. Strange that it borders the Clive Bundy Ranch. My guess would be him & Clive were buddies. 

The reports also stated the woman was out of the country and cleared. 

[howto]

5 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Where do you "guesstimate" that figure?

In Nevada you can get a license for a full auto firearm for about $200.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html

Because to buy that firearm illegally would cost min $50,000

AND

each round at least $100.

Check it out for yourself.

 

I also own a plane. So what. Have since mid '80s.

I luv to fly.

[nausea]

For those interested in the finer details:

 

"The location of the Las Vegas shooter was discovered due to his hotel room's fire alarms going off from the smoke emitting from his weapons, a former Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officer told CBS This Morning. "The way the shooter was identified was not from the muzzle flashes, but the smoke detector in the room went off from the amount of smoke that came from firing that fully automatic weapon," the officer, Randy Sutton, said"

 

So the smoke from his weapons set the smoke alarm off. Seems he missed that one, easy enough to disable I understand.

 

Source: 

http://theweek.com/speedreads/728243/authorities-reportedly-found-las-vegas-shooter-when-smoke-from-weapons-set-hotel-fire-alarms

[Grumpy Duck]

12 minutes ago, tonray said:

Firstly there are devices that can simulate automatic fire with a semi-automatic....maybe about $300 bucks. Very common among gun nuts...and legal.

 

secondly...the guy had money...he owned 2 small planes also..and was an accountant for the aerospace industry before retirement....he also liked to gamble which likely explains his connection with the high stakes hostess from Mandalay and his relocation to LV after retirement. A quick check into his finances for gambling debts  if any, will tell a tale if there is one.

 

BTW...the authorities have cleared his GF because they contacted her and she is out of the country at the time.

Incorrect, the gunman was Steven Paddock, a retired accountant from Lockheed As I understand.  He was NOT a Las Vegas resident he lived in Mesquite, NV  as I recall since 2008 (adjascent to the Clive Bundy ranch). He owned retirement property in Florida also. 

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, howto said:

Because to buy that firearm illegally would cost min $50,000

AND

each round at least $100.

Check it out for yourself.

 

I also own a plane. So what. Have since mid '80s.

I luv to fly.

$100 a round?  What kind of ammo do you think he was shooting?  It's been a long time since I was in the market, but if I remember correctly, a box of 20 .308 (7.62mm) cartridges cost ten or fifteen dollars.

 

Edit:  I did check.  Cheap .308 is much cheaper than my recollection.  I won't attach a link, I'm not sure the moderators would like it.

[Ruffian Dick]

23 minutes ago, heybruce said:

$100 a round?  What kind of ammo do you think he was shooting?  It's been a long time since I was in the market, but if I remember correctly, a box of 20 .308 (7.62mm) cartridges cost ten or fifteen dollars.

 

Edit:  I did check.  Cheap .308 is much cheaper than my recollection.  I won't attach a link, I'm not sure the moderators would like it.

Sounds like prices for a .50 cal. You ever shoot a M2 Browning?

[Ruffian Dick]

36 minutes ago, Grumpy Duck said:

Incorrect, the gunman was Steven Paddock, a retired accountant from Lockheed As I understand.  He was NOT a Las Vegas resident he lived in Mesquite, NV  as I recall since 2008 (adjascent to the Clive Bundy ranch). He owned retirement property in Florida also. 

Interesting.

 

BTW, Paddock's father was on the FBI most wanted list for years.

[Grumpy Duck]

52 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

It was a Country-Western concert in one of the most firearm friendly states in the US. Where were the "good guys with guns"?

I am not positive, but the annual "Harvest Festivals" I heard of in California as of recent were born again christian money makers. And they would travel around the country. It was not on the Mandalay Bay hotel site but across the street. I agree, where were the good guys with guns.  He lived in Mesquite, NV which is neighboring the Clive Bundy ranch

[howto]

I own a pair of expensive bolt action .308 rifles.

My scopes are as expensive as the firearm itself.

 

30 cal mil spec on a belt is a very different animal.

Don't get yourself in trouble by looking it up.

[Zack61]

RIP.

Victims of their own gun laws.

[howto]

The firearm used, and the ammo, was not legal to be bought by this perp.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, howto said:

I own a pair of expensive bolt action .308 rifles.

My scopes are as expensive as the firearm itself.

 

30 cal mil spec on a belt is a very different animal.

Don't get yourself in trouble by looking it up.

Even mil spec would not be $100 a round.  Maybe $100 a belt. However this shooter probably picked up some semi-auto assault rifles at a gun show and modified them to fully automatic.  I doubt that he used mil spec, indications were that he was simply spraying the crowd without picking individual targets. 

 

An illegally modified assault rifle and a few thousand rounds of bargain cartridges could probably be had for under $2000.  That's good enough for the kind of random carnage he caused.  I don't know why he bothered with multiple rifles, but they wouldn't have driven the price of the insanity to an unaffordable level.

[howto]

Just now, heybruce said:

Even mil spec would not be $100 a round.  Maybe $100 a belt. However this shooter probably picked up some semi-auto assault rifles at a gun show and modified them to fully automatic.  I doubt that he used mil spec, indications were that he was simply spraying the crowd without picking individual targets. 

 

An illegally modified assault rifle and a few thousand rounds of bargain cartridges could probably be had for under $2000.  That's good enough for the kind of random carnage he caused.  I don't know why he bothered with multiple rifles, but they wouldn't have driven the price of the insanity to an unaffordable level.

One cannot mod a assuult rifle into a 30 cal machine gun.

This is NOT a modded assuult rifle.

I damn well know. Are you a machinist ???

 

 

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Sounds like prices for a .50 cal. You ever shoot a M2 Browning?

No.  I seriously doubt the shooter had anything that big.

[howto]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No.  I seriously doubt the shooter had anything that big.

My brother, a x-ranger,

- has a 308 BAR, awesom firearm

- has a BFG

- - Fracking xpensive and the ammo is crazy in price.

Both damn fun to shoot.

 

 

[Grumpy Duck]

40 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Interesting.

 

BTW, Paddock's father was on the FBI most wanted list for years.

I read that also, a bank robber, but found it not relevant

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, howto said:

One cannot mod a assuult rifle into a 30 cal machine gun.

This is NOT a modded assuult rifle.

I damn well know. Are you a machinist ???

One can modify a semi-auto assault rifle into a fully automatic assault rifle then fire 30 magazines on fully automatic, which is consistent with what people reported.  I also have not heard nor read of news reports of machine guns, only rifles.  I'm pretty sure if there had been a machine gun used it would have been reported.

[heybruce]

7 minutes ago, howto said:

My brother, a x-ranger,

- has a 308 BAR, awesom firearm

- has a BFG

- - Fracking xpensive and the ammo is crazy in price.

Both damn fun to shoot.

No doubt, but it's not a .50 caliber.

 

The orginal Browning Automatic fired the Springfield 30-06. 

[howto]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No doubt, but it's not a .50 caliber.

 

The orginal Browning Automatic fired the Springfield 30-06. 

Yes it did, however it is NOT the same cycle rate, nor do shots fired sound the same.

LISTEN to the vid clips.

AND, it is NOT belt fed, only 30 rounds per clip.

What I heard was clearly 100+ rounds per firing.

 

I damn well know, owned one, killed with it, no I am not in god's grace.

And you, good sir, are outside you league here.

Are you baiting or trolling ???

 

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, howto said:

Yes it did, however it is NOT the same cycle rate, nor do shots fired sound the same.

LISTEN to the vid clips.

AND, it is NOT belt fed, only 30 rounds per clip.

What I heard was clearly 100+ rounds per firing.

 

I damn well know, owned one, killed with it, no I am not in god's grace.

And you, good sir, are outside you league here.

Are you baiting or trolling ???

 

Just responding to your " guesstamate $70,000 USD" and $100 a round.  I think you were trying to suggest the shooter had some kind of outside financing.

 

This massacre could have been pulled off for less than a tenth that, and I suspect it was.  Of course since the shooter seemed to be doing reasonably well financially, he could have afforded to commit this insanity with more expensive weapons. 

 

I'm sure we'll get more information on what weapons were used soon.

[Grumpy Duck]

I have suggested a great alternative to gun control. Make a mandatory insurance requirement for possession of any deadly weapon, (to include crossbows). Open carry or concealed, no proof of insurance no weapon. The insurance industry would make sure no whacko's or people with a history of violence could possess a weapon 

[Ruffian Dick]

19 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Just responding to your " guesstamate $70,000 USD" and $100 a round.  I think you were trying to suggest the shooter had some kind of outside financing.

 

This massacre could have been pulled off for less than a tenth that, and I suspect it was.  Of course since the shooter seemed to be doing reasonably well financially, he could have afforded to commit this insanity with more expensive weapons. 

 

I'm sure we'll get more information on what weapons were used soon.

I agree. Half of Nevada's population has AR-15s (my guess); now it could be an AK variant or something else. Yes, I've shot many of these, some in full-auto. It's really hard to tell which gun it was by a bad iPhone recording.

[howto]

I own a 'Stoner', with a custom 'match bull barrel'.

Chambered in 30.06, with a 30 round clip.

And a very high quality Leupold scope.

It is semi-auto,

I could have easily killed far more in the same amount of time.

This fool just 'sprayed and prayed'. A worthess shit of a shot.

Please do not take that the wrong way ,,,

I abhor what this POS did.

 

You guy's just dont get it.

I can shoot the eye out of a bird flying.

And really I'm not that damn good, I know guys far better than I.

I'm only decent out to 500 meters.

 

[joecoolfrog]

3 hours ago, manarak said:

 

it happens more or less everywhere, but more frequent in the USA.

I would be interested to know if statistically the excess frequency can be fully explained by the sheer amount of population, loners with money and the difficulty of controlling such a big territory as the USA.

It last happened a long time ago in the UK and we responded !

[howto]

5 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

It last happened a long time ago in the UK and we responded !

Yeah, to what extent, and to what end.

All of you Europeans are fracked. Too little, too late.