pegman Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said: That's why crime is low in NV, and other "lax" states; and why its highest is states and cities with strict gun control like Chicago, Wash. D.C, and California. Where do you get your facts? Putin? The top 40% of highest gun murder rate states are ALL red states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, boomerangutang said: It's a complicated issue. There is some gun control in the US, but it's not strict enough. Every rule can be broken. And, it's not possible to reign in all homicidally crazy people. There are indications, however. If you're sitting with Uncle Bob, while he's polishing his semi-automatic weapon, and he speaks up, "You know, I spent money on these beautiful weapons, but I don't get to use them much. I want to go out and shoot some people. I want to see what this baby can really do." Do you report uncle Bob to the local police? Of course not. Even if you did, the cops would snicker or tell you it's a family issue, and deal with it. Is Uncle Bob rich ? If so, I blackmail him and get a nice car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyself Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, boomerangutang said: I venture it's way over 50% currently. But that's only a part of the equation. Even if just 15% favored semi-automatic ownership, they carry political clout far beyond their numbers. Hopefully, the LV turkey shoot tragedy will sway more people over to the side of sanity. Earlier I said 'now is not the time to talk about it'. I would argue the when? But that is me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatwobbler Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, FreddieRoyle said: knowing the incredible/exponential recent growth of isis and isis affiliated groups in the Phillipines, his having a Phillipina gf would be even more reason to thoroughly scrutinize a possible isis link to the shooter- even more so if she is from southern Mindanao. Lets keep open minds here, and wait for credible info to become available. You are really desperate for this guy to be linked to ISIS. The fact that this does not seem to be the case must be driving you crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said: You are really desperate for this guy to be linked to ISIS. The fact that this does not seem to be the case must be driving you crazy. Think he was already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said: You are really desperate for this guy to be linked to ISIS. The fact that this does not seem to be the case must be driving you crazy. yes...she would not have had a career as high stakes hostess in casinos if she were Muslim. She seems like a typical Filipino Catholic in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 should be required viewing by everyone who gives a gnat's ass about what just happened in Vegas..... Thanks Keith, for putting what I've been trying to say for decades, ....so eloquently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 22 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said: In other words, they're doing what their constituents want...I'm sorry if democracy is distasteful to you. I'm also sorry you were triggered by the sight of a gun. Can we get off the BS about politics in a time like this? Please? Let's focus on the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said: In other words, they're doing what their constituents want...I'm sorry if democracy is distasteful to you. I'm also sorry you were triggered by the sight of a gun. Oh, my. You really are naive if you think the politicians in America are doing what their constituents want. If that was the case, America would have universal health care and stronger gun control laws, among other things favored by a majority of Americans. It's an unfortunate fact that these days American politicians spend more time raising the vast amounts of money they need for their next election campaign than doing anything else. Big Pharma, the NRA, and many other lobby groups are rich and powerful and have enough politicians in their pockets to block what Americans want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 An offensive trolling post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonray Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, newnative said: Oh, my. You really are naive if you think the politicians in America are doing what their constituents want. If that was the case, America would have universal health care and stronger gun control laws, among other things favored by a majority of Americans. It's an unfortunate fact that these days American politicians spend more time raising the vast amounts of money they need for their next election campaign than doing anything else. Big Pharma, the NRA, and many other lobby groups are rich and powerful and have enough politicians in their pockets to block what Americans want. This all boils down to the fact that Congress for a decade or more has had approval ratings well below 50% yet almost 90% of all Congress members win re-election. How can there be such a disparity ? Redistricting which turns your electable base into majority voters for your positions is why. It is a sick system that is aided and abetted by the Federal court system and with the appointment of more and more conservative judges under Trump...it is likely only to become more pronounced. In short...I don't believe we will ever see proper gun control. I believe the country will become more and more polarized until we effectively become a nation at war, there are already lines forming. Some folks I know will not travel to certain states, off limits, these are folks on both the left and the right. We are in our 2nd Civil War and I see no current way out of it short of a national crisis of such proportions where everyone regardless of affiliation is at risk of losing everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Hypothetical: imagine I (of Trump's pal Putin) sold electric cables described as: one end plugs into an AC electrical socket, the other end has two exposed ends of copper. My sales pitch: buy this cable, and use it to shock intruders. Works like a wonder to repel robbers! Then, I got millions of dollars for investment/advertising/promo. And got millions of dollars to pay lobbyists to convince congresspeople (not hard to do if you spend lots of money) ....that these cables are a great deterrent to crime. Previously, there were no open cables in US homes, now there are millions (note: for each 100 Americans, there are 88.8 guns, and that includes toddlers and babies). According to my hypothetical scenario, would anyone be surprised if there were dozens of electrocutions each day? ....including toddlers. My point is: Gun makers + right-wing politicians + NRA = terrorist conspiracy to harm Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 My thoughts are with the loved ones of the victims. It just be very difficult to deal with this being done by a so called normal person. How on earth do you rationalize it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza73 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, OMGImInPattaya said: I agree. The basic problem is that "gun control" is code for gun confiscation by Democrats and others of their ilk. That is why Second Amendment supporters can't give an inch on this issue...because then they'll find themselves living in Australia. There is no good faith on the Democrat side. What's so wrong with living in Australia? Fact 1. We have not had a single gun massacre in Australia since Port Arthur in 1996. Fact 2. You can legally own firearms in Australia. Just not semi-automatic weapons whose sole purpose is to kill people quickly and efficiently. Fact 3. The gun-related deaths per 100,000 of population in Australia is one-twentieth of that in the USA. Fact 4. Of those gun-related deaths, about three-quarters of them are suicide. It would appear gun-owners in Australia, when they decide to check out, at least have the consideration to avoid taking innocent people with them. If you want to talk about good faith, the most sickening thing about Las Vegas is Trump sending condolences, after campaigning for total removal of the limited gun reforms of the Obama administration. Psychopath is an inadequate description. The USA is captive to an armaments industry and NRA which has the power to make and unmake elected officers - even Presidents. Sadly, I can't see any end to these mass murders. Santayana said those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. America has mass amnesia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 You want to ban all guns to protect people? Ok, fine. So should we also ban cars, as they consistently kill a hell of a lot more people every year than guns? Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Just now, Just1Voice said: You want to ban all guns to protect people? Ok, fine. So should we also ban cars, as they consistently kill a hell of a lot more people every year than guns? Think about it. Guns have one singular purpose, whereas cars... well... think about it !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Another day, another tragedy. Condolences to the bereaved and injured. The NRA tells us, guns don;t kill people, people kill people. But the truth is it takes both special types of guns (military style automatics legal in 38 states) and a person (to fire the gun) to perpetrate this type of tragedy. Since you can;t rid the world of people, how about controlling the guns more strictly. An M16 or the like has no use in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Guns have one singular purpose, whereas cars... well... think about it !!! I do think about it. But Liberals only see one side of things. Cars = Good. Guns = Bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 18 hours ago, zydeco said: All the cameras, surveillance, informants, and wiretapping will never do anything to stop this stuff. I really don't know why they keep at it. The anti-terror people need to rethink their entire strategy. Three of these events in one day. Need to rethink their strategy? The strategy urgently needed but will never happen is GUN CONTROL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: I do think about it. But Liberals only see one side of things. Cars = Good. Guns = Bad! Looking at your response, no, you don't think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza73 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: You want to ban all guns to protect people? Ok, fine. So should we also ban cars, as they consistently kill a hell of a lot more people every year than guns? Think about it. I did not say that. I said Australia's success in eliminating gun massacres is due to a ban on semi-automatic weapons. Cars kill people as a by-product, not because they are designed to do so. Interesting to see one of the BS arguments of the pro-gun people has been shot down ( pun intended ) by the lead guitarist of the Josh Abbott band, who was in a bus close to the massacre as it happened. A life-long supporter of the Second Amendment, he and his fellow musicians had a number of firearms on the bus. He stated they were too scared to pick them up, in case the police mistook them for one of the gunmen (sic) and fired on them as well. Quote: " I've been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was." So the canard of an armed citizen being able to prevent a gun massacre ( vide Sandy Hook, Columbia etc.etc.) has just been blown out of the water. By someone who was up close and personal, not a keyboard warrior. Perhaps you should do some thinking yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Interesting short article on analysis of the shooting rate based on the audio of this tragedy compared to semi-auto Orlando and AR-15 full auto . Does not appear to be a full auto weapon, more likely a [legal in Nevada] after market modified semi-auto. TH https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/vegas-guns.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, thaihome said: Interesting short article on analysis of the shooting rate based on the audio of this tragedy compared to semi-auto Orlando and AR-15 full auto . Does not appear to be a full auto weapon, more likely a [legal in Nevada] after market modified semi-auto. TH https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/vegas-guns.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region Law enforcement recovered two bump stock weapons from the shooters hotel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1916 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, boomerangutang said: should be required viewing by everyone who gives a gnat's ass about what just happened in Vegas..... Thanks Keith, for putting what I've been trying to say for decades, ....so eloquently. I agree, well said. Trump's condolences are worth.....the same as those from Obama, Bush,Clinton,Bush,Reagan et al. And nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 4 hours ago, nasanews said: They are republicans. That's a terrible thing to say about anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, OMGImInPattaya said: Because guns are already highly regulated. You're being sarcastic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 58 minutes ago, Just1Voice said: I do think about it. But Liberals only see one side of things. Cars = Good. Guns = Bad! That's funny. Usually right wingers blast liberals as tree hugging car haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, notmyself said: Less guns less gun crime. If Trump builds the <oops> wall then no more guns, people or drugs from the south and what are Canada going to provide? Half price medicine and old guns they used to shoot moose with? Well, once again you managed to say something that's just the opposite of the truth. . Why Mexico’s drug cartels love America’s gun laws More than 70,000 guns recovered from crime scenes in Mexico between 2009 and 2014 could be traced back to the United States, according to a new report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. That represents 70 percent of all crime guns recovered and traced in Mexico during that period. The report underscores the extent to which American firearms are a contributor not just to crime in the United States, but also to violence that happens south of the border. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/14/why-mexicos-drug-cartels-love-americas-gun-laws/?utm_term=.32120ecc04c8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Blackheart1916 said: I agree, well said. Trump's condolences are worth.....the same as those from Obama, Bush,Clinton,Bush,Reagan et al. And nothing will change. Obama tried. Congress blocked him. As usually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza73 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said: You're being sarcastic, right? He must be. Since Sandy Hook, the USA has had 1,517 deaths from gun massacres . 6000 wounded. Gun massacres are defined as 4 or more people killed or wounded in a single event. Bad luck if it's less than 4. An eerie similarity to Thai road death statistics. The shooter in Las Vegas had 41 firearms in his house. He took 19 of them to the hotel. Which poses a couple of questions: 1/ How did he manage to accumulate so many guns without a single warning bell? 2/ How did he get 19 firearms into the hotel without any hotel staff becoming suspicious? 3/ Why on earth do Americans need so many guns? Yeah, yeah. I know - it's to protect you from the Commies. I heard that rationalisation 30 years ago - nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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