Video: Are these cops kicking a man off his motorbike?

[tandor]

1 hour ago, neeray said:

The pursuit was successful and probably necessary but watching the video made me think of the many high speed police chases that happen in North America to the detriment of innocents who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Fortunately, no innocent others got nailed in this chase. Good thing the "drop kick" put a fairly quick end to the chase. That was a pretty neat kick. Probably not his first time!

..traffic police and others do it here on foot if a bike has failed to stop..why not lasso them and be done with it...absolutely crazy.

[Si Thea01]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I’d suggest (and have three times on this thread already ?) getting in experts from countries with more evolved methods to advise and train the bib in the best techniques to stop moving bikes. 

Excellent idea.  Do you know what they do in Australia?  They have specialist equipment and people who know how to investigate. They do not stop a bike or even a car if the pursuit is deemed dangerous, they just let them go.

 

If there is no immediate danger they will ram, put up a roadblock or deploy road spikes. Cars and other vehicles only, not bikes.  Most there stop regardless although you get the odd few who don't. If they don't they're normally in custody within 24 hours without jeopardising anyone's safety.

[mommysboy]

59 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I wouldn’t say I’m worried about them. I just don’t think that is how they should be stopping moving bikes. 

 

And they didnt get themselves injured (if they were). The person doing the kicking is the one who caused any, if any were caused, injuries. 

 

On balance I'd say you are right.  There has to be an exceptional reason, eg, chasing a murder suspect.

 

The usual justification is to prevent a potential road traffic accident, but the very act of kicking him off the bike at speed actually creates the accident that is purportedly being prevented.

[mommysboy]

29 minutes ago, johna said:

 

Police in London can not use force to stop criminals on mopeds if they are not wearing a helmet, the result of this policy is criminals pursued by police throw away their helmets and a very low arrest record. Offences involving violent crime on scooters and mopeds have rocketed in London. These are career criminals, attacking innocent people on a daily basis, I suggest your liberal sympathies are in the wrong place.

 

It's hardly liberal to expect police officers to act within the law, is it?

 

And as I said, there may be a justification here, eg, hit and run, or mugging.

 

But for people to allege that it is always ok is unsafe, as well as illegal.

[mommysboy]

 

Simply failed to stop at a check point.

 

Then there was a chase resulting in damage to a car.

 

And then the 'defensive kick'.

 

Matter settled with compensation, and biker is not filing a complaint.

 

Justice Thai style.

 

[Psimbo]

16 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I’d say they should bring in experts from other countries where they have better strategies, to advise and train. 

Any other thing like spike strips, PIT maneuvers, cutting him off, etc would have had the same effect- taking him off the bike so you still haven't put forward an effective solution. This worked in this case so- effective solution.

 

Applying what a western police force would do to Thailand is frankly ridculous.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Psimbo said:

Any other thing like spike strips, PIT maneuvers, cutting him off, etc would have had the same effect- taking him off the bike so you still haven't put forward an effective solution. This worked in this case so- effective solution.

 

Applying what a western police force would do to Thailand is frankly ridculous.

I have repeatedly put for ward an effective solution. 

 

Get in experts from countries with evolved strategies for stopping a moving bike to advise and train the bib. 

 

I’m sorry you have such a low opinion of Thailand to say they cannot use such strategies (western or not). 

[mauGR1]

14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I have repeatedly put for ward an effective solution. 

 

Get in experts from countries with evolved strategies for stopping a moving bike to advise and train the bib. 

 

I’m sorry you have such a low opinion of Thailand to say they cannot use such strategies (western or not). 

There cannot be an effective solution. There will always be criminals. From the West and from the East.

I think the point is, where is the limit between the force of law and the excessive use of force of law.

 

For once, i have no opinion, except that there is no solution.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

There cannot be an effective solution. There will always be criminals. From the West and from the East.

I think the point is, where is the limit between the force of law and the excessive use of force of law.

 

For once, i have no opinion, except that there is no solution.

I stand by my opinion, this, for me, was excessive. 

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I stand by my opinion, this, for me, was excessive. 

It depends, i don't know what the young man is accused of.

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

It depends, i don't know what the young man is accused of.

No charges were laid against him for failing to stop at a police checkpoint. 

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No charges were laid against him for failing to stop at a police checkpoint. 

Ok, then we can assume that failing to stop at a checkpoint is considered a serious crime.

I know that i would stop at a checkpoint, so it would be interesting to know why that guy was running away.

I would still consider it excessive force, if there is danger for the other motorists and passers-by.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Ok, then we can assume that failing to stop at a checkpoint is considered a serious crime.

I know that i would stop at a checkpoint, so it would be interesting to know why that guy was running away.

I would still consider it excessive force, if there is danger for the other motorists and passers-by.

No idea why he ran. Story is unclear on that. 

[Happyman58]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Ok, then we can assume that failing to stop at a checkpoint is considered a serious crime.

I know that i would stop at a checkpoint, so it would be interesting to know why that guy was running away.

I would still consider it excessive force, if there is danger for the other motorists and passers-by.

Only thing that makes me laugh here Has anybody seen the bikes the cops ride here? They are old and slow. Its a wonder they could catch up to this guy? He must of had a slower older bike. Otherwise they would not of bothered trying to catch him. Card game more important

[lvr181]

13 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Anything? No, no way.

 

Police enforce the law- they are not above it.

 

There may be justification here- we don't know yet.

May I remind you, this happened in Thailand - NOT some civilised first world western nation. A big difference! 

[MaeJoMTB]

32 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Ok, then we can assume that failing to stop at a checkpoint is considered a serious crime.

I know that i would stop at a checkpoint, so it would be interesting to know why that guy was running away.

I'm guessing he didn't want to pay the 200bht fine.

[mauGR1]

7 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

I'm guessing he didn't want to pay the 200bht fine.

Ouch ! Bad choice then, those bike crashes are painful.

[Si Thea01]

2 hours ago, Happyman58 said:

Only thing that makes me laugh here Has anybody seen the bikes the cops ride here? They are old and slow. Its a wonder they could catch up to this guy? He must of had a slower older bike. Otherwise they would not of bothered trying to catch him. Card game more important

Obviously haven't been around Bangkok lately, check out Google, you will be surprised. Brand new BMW's, Harley's, Yamaha's and many others.