How to live for 4000 baht a month. Not inc rents.

[taipeir]

I'm at a complete and utter loss to understand what it is that you think the link proves. The article talks about "pensions" not "pensioner incomes". My point is precisely that you don't capture what the British state does by looking at pensions. In many countries the pension is what you get: no housing help, local taxation help, nothing. Britain ain't like that. Of course if you live in a foreign country you don't get these other benefits. But that's a separate issue. Try sitting on your backside, living off rent like Rigsby and not even paying NI, in some other country and see if the "minimum income guarantee" kicks in, as it did for my ex-landlord.   It's also worth noting that the article says that provision in some countries is exactly why they're going bust.  

 

 

Just some countries off the back of my head that I know are far more generous than UK... France, Ireland, Denmark.....pension in Irekand is WAY higher than UK , it just went up again , no currency depreciation and they get all the benefits and much more benefits than you talk about.   

Irish weekly pension - 220-230 euro per week.

UK weekly pension - 180 euro per week

 

Pensioners in UK live in really tight circumstances....

 

http://www.europeanpensions.net/ep/EU-countries-voted-as-having-the-best-pension-systems-in-the-world.php

 

That's the pensions.

 

UK social welfare for young people and working age and disabled people is pathetic and they treat people really really harshly... Universal credit. Delays of months to get benefits. Constantly bullied. Pushed on to food banks.

 

 It is NOT an attractive place to be on social welfare.

 

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[taipeir]

Look at all these bludgers getting a free ride on European national health insurance systems not paying their way!

Pay up I say!!


https://visual.ons.gov.uk/pensioners-in-the-eu-and-uk/


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[Craig krup]

54 minutes ago, taipeir said:

Just some countries off the back of my head that I know are far more generous than UK... France, Ireland, Denmark.....pension in Irekand is WAY higher than UK , it just went up again , no currency depreciation and they get all the benefits and much more benefits than you talk about.   

Irish weekly pension - 220-230 euro per week.

UK weekly pension - 180 euro per week

 

Pensioners in UK live in really tight circumstances....

 

http://www.europeanpensions.net/ep/EU-countries-voted-as-having-the-best-pension-systems-in-the-world.php

 

That's the pensions.

 

UK social welfare for young people and working age and disabled people is pathetic and they treat people really really harshly... Universal credit. Delays of months to get benefits. Constantly bullied. Pushed on to food banks.

 

 It is NOT an attractive place to be on social welfare.

 

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It's costing £231bn a year: about 12% of GDP. Tracy gets given £6 for every £1 she earns, which is why half of Europe wished to join her.  Pull forward to 43 minutes (below). 

 

 

[taipeir]

  It's costing £231bn a year: about 12% of GDP. Tracy gets given £6 for every £1 she earns, which is why half of Europe wished to join her.  Pull forward to 43 minutes (below).   

 

 

 

Yes , pick out one individual make it representative of 200 million. Then look very foolish :).

 

By the way capped benefits thing isn't a bad idea overall but depends on how it is applied.

 

But let's get back to the point.

Pay up the vast armies of Brit pensioners sponging off European health systems...I say pay up I say lol.

 

Please get back to the thread topic,

 

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[theguyfromanotherforum]

14 hours ago, dfdgfdfdgs said:

I'm not just/solely looking for sex with lots of people.  But a gf that matches well is hard to find, so I'll take the sex until I can find it.

 

I think a lot of the girls are naive, they want a fairytale.  They don't seem to realise that their government doesn't really want us here and our situation is precarious.  Even if we pay for an elite visa it's no guarantee that programme is going to be around forever.  And people's jobs change, circumstances change, they grow tired of Thailand, miss their home etc.  It's tough for a Thai girl to find a farang boyfriend who will stick with her for a long time.  Personally I have no intention of ever getting married in any country, I think a growing number of people from western countries are feeling the same, marriage is an outdated tradition with little if any benefit other than an extensive buffet at the reception.  Older guys can maybe manage it better because they stem from a more traditional age, so the culture matches more to modern day Thailand.

 

I theorise that most of us only remain (fairly) monogamous because society insists upon us (particularly females) that this is what we must do.  If there was no stigma about having sex with lots of different people (and really, why should there be?), then I think we would all be doing it.  In Iceland they have the right idea there, it's normal for them to have sex with somebody before they've even had a conversation with each other.

 

I wouldn't lie to them as you used to, if they asked me if I wanted to be their boyfriend and I knew I didn't, then I'd say so.  If I wasn't sure, I'd say that.  About half the time they'll still have sex with you anyway.  The ones who aren't hyper-emotional, who don't have their heart set on marriage and a lifetime together, are usually good for casual sex until either you or they get bored.

 

Nice story. Why don't you go to Iceland and have sex if it's so easy?

 

Why are you un Thailand which is known as the sex tourist mecca?

 

Come on man....go to Iceland and tell us the same story. I'd like to read about it.

 

 

[MaeJoMTB]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Come on man....go to Iceland and tell us the same story. I'd like to read about it.

Actually Icelandic girls are fairly easy to bed, slim and attractive.

But the food, big plates of meat, no fruit or vegetables, and it's expensive.

[JLCrab]

Well maybe so about the meat but you seem not to have noticed -- as Iceland maintains one of the world's largest fishery industries --- all the restaurants there that have mostly fish on the menu e.g. https://www.reykjavikfish.is/menu-rvk/

[MaeJoMTB]

37 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

Well maybe so about the meat but you seem not to have noticed -- as Iceland maintains one of the world's largest fishery industries --- all the restaurants there that have mostly fish on the menu e.g. https://www.reykjavikfish.is/menu-rvk/

They also have whale on the menu.

(Sorry, I should have used 'flesh' instead of 'meat')

Edited November 9, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[Craig krup]

16 hours ago, taipeir said:

You are trying to create your own conditions as to why they will be an economic burden when an objective study from UCL says they are not an economic burden and in fact they are contributing much more than they take.

Which makes sense as they are mostly health, young and in productive employment.

 

Your argument that kids extract money when they go to school and before they start working is a joke. Their parents are paying MORE in tax than the unemployed , pensioners etc. When they graduate they them go on to be tax payers. Also their families just by living in the UK spend pretty much all their income in the UK. Of course if the kids lived overseas you'd be moaning the money went overseas.

 

No dice.

 

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The average indigenous Brit is a net recipient. The British state costs £11,000 per person per year. 29,000 people pay 14% of all income tax. The only way to look at whether an immigrant is a net contributor is to look at GDP per head minus the cost of having someone in the country looking into an indefinite future. The British state involves massive redistribution towards the less well-off. As we expand the number of net recipients faster than net contributors the amount we can spend per recipient has to fall. If kids have the same characteristics as their parents - which on average they do - then the kids constitute the same problem as the parents. 

 

Don't get me wrong. I prefer the Poles. Czechs, Slovaks and the rest to the indigenous poor. But nobody is offering a one in one out system. 

[Craig krup]

8 hours ago, taipeir said:

Yes , pick out one individual make it representative of 200 million. Then look very foolish :).

 

By the way capped benefits thing isn't a bad idea overall but depends on how it is applied.

 

But let's get back to the point.

Pay up the vast armies of Brit pensioners sponging off European health systems...I say pay up I say lol.

 

Please get back to the thread topic,

 

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Tracy is a single parent with three kids. That doesn't look so very unrepresentative. 

 

There must be at least a few like her to get to £120bn of working age benefits. 

[JLCrab]

1 hour ago, MaeJoMTB said:

They also have whale on the menu.

(Sorry, I should have used 'flesh' instead of 'meat')

Whale meat in Iceland is mostly eaten by tourists not the locals:

 

Whale meat is hardly a local Icelandic dish; in fact, virtually no one in Iceland touches the stuff

 

... Rather than consume whale, local chefs – such as Chef Ragnar Erikkson of Dill Restaurant – suggests travelers indulge in actual Icelandic dishes, unique to the country’s culture. “When it comes to authentic Icelandic food I think about fish, fish and more fish,” Chef Erikkson tells Culture Trip. “Iceland is an island surrounded by fish from the cleanest oceans left on the planet.”  https://theculturetrip.com/europe/iceland/articles/who-is-eating-icelands-whales/

 

But I guess when Icelandic girls are so easy who would notice fish.
 

 

[Naam]

53 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

But I guess when Icelandic girls are so easy who would notice fish.

when i feed my dogs too much fish (which they like) they smell a wee bit fishy (sez my wife). what about the smell of the "Icy" girls?

[MaeJoMTB]

1 hour ago, Craig krup said:

Don't get me wrong. I prefer the Poles. Czechs, Slovaks and the rest to the indigenous poor. But nobody is offering a one in one out system. 

Some clever person did a chart of peoples contributions to the western economy over their lifetime.

Men were net contributors.

Women were net recipients.

 

So if any country wants to prosper, they should get rid off all the women first ........ no .... wait ........ what was the topic again? This isn't the Brexit thread?

 

Oh yeah, I'm having a complete blast, the absolute time of my life ....looking forward to a hiking trip in Zhangjiajie for a visa jump.

No wrong topic AGAIN ...... eeerrrr no way that trip fits into living  on 4000bht/month ...... sorry .... afternoon drinking is BAD!

 

Edited November 9, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[dfdgfdfdgs]

7 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Nice story. Why don't you go to Iceland and have sex if it's so easy?

 

Why are you un Thailand which is known as the sex tourist mecca?

 

Come on man....go to Iceland and tell us the same story. I'd like to read about it.

 

 

For the same reason that I moved from my own country to Thailand - because Iceland is cold and dark.  And because my reason for choosing a place to live is not solely based around having sex?  Maybe you're projecting a little there.  And even if it were, I'm not attracted to white girls so my pickings in Iceland would be somewhat limited I'd imagine.

 

If you're disbelieving that Icelandic people are relatively care-free when it comes to sex, I don't have any Icelandic friends that would be willing to prove it to you, but there's a fairly common consensus on the internet and in the general media that this is the case.  I don't really think it's the sort of thing that would have been perpetuated to suit somebody's bias either.

[Craig krup]

52 minutes ago, dfdgfdfdgs said:

 

For the same reason that I moved from my own country to Thailand - because Iceland is cold and dark.  And because my reason for choosing a place to live is not solely based around having sex?  Maybe you're projecting a little there.  And even if it were, I'm not attracted to white girls so my pickings in Iceland would be somewhat limited I'd imagine.

 

If you're disbelieving that Icelandic people are relatively care-free when it comes to sex, I don't have any Icelandic friends that would be willing to prove it to you, but there's a fairly common consensus on the internet and in the general media that this is the case.  I don't really think it's the sort of thing that would have been perpetuated to suit somebody's bias either.

 

There's a famous incident of an Italian warship docking. The first and only time that a cohort of Latin men in their late teens and early twenties feeling harassed by fit, blonde women.  

[simon43]

Walk around Yangon absolutely nothing to do.

 

I can assure you that Yangon is like Pattaya on steroids, when compared to Naypyidaw :)

 

Since there is little to do in Naypyidaw, I make my own 'entertainment', and that costs me very little.  Each weekend, I ride my dirt-bike into the hills and visit places like Inle Lake and Shan State. No drinking, no drugs, never smoke and it would be easier to win the lottery than finding any P4P out here.

 

I can return to live in Thailand anytime.  But I'm saving good money in the bank over here and eating healthily as well.  Suits me for now...

 

This is the winding hill road between Naypyidaw and Inle Lake, at 5,000 feet elevation

 

[bazza73]

On 11/9/2017 at 5:19 PM, dfdgfdfdgs said:

 

For the same reason that I moved from my own country to Thailand - because Iceland is cold and dark.  And because my reason for choosing a place to live is not solely based around having sex?  Maybe you're projecting a little there.  And even if it were, I'm not attracted to white girls so my pickings in Iceland would be somewhat limited I'd imagine.

 

If you're disbelieving that Icelandic people are relatively care-free when it comes to sex, I don't have any Icelandic friends that would be willing to prove it to you, but there's a fairly common consensus on the internet and in the general media that this is the case.  I don't really think it's the sort of thing that would have been perpetuated to suit somebody's bias either.

Perhaps easy sex is very common in Iceland because it's cold and dark, and there is nothing else to do.

Has to be a different explanation for Thailand.

[wolfmanjack]

On 10/29/2017 at 12:58 PM, CNXBKKMAN said:

I think if you want to live the frugal lifestyle and be happy with it you need to do the Kings "porpieng" thing. 1 rai of land . Fish pond in one corner, thai veg growing in another quarter, mango/fruit trees in another, simple bungalow house, teak trees around the edge for shade and timber. Cash expenses will be minimal when its established. You may end up giving food away or swapping it for sone cocunuts with a neighbour? You dont need to own the land. Go to to any rural area and rent a patch off a local. It might cost 4000 baht a year? 

      Has anyone done this? 

the leaves fall off the teak trees in the hot season when you need them the most. Also it is illegal to cut them for wood unless you have them registered and get a permit when you want to cut them. It would be better to have more fruit trees for shade.

[Craig krup]

I mention Icelandic women in one of my sarky rants in my poorly-selling e-book, so allow me to share . I'm also banging on about older fathers, which might interest some farangs. 

 

Danish and Swedish studies suggest that the children of older men seem more likely to suffer from psychiatric disorders.
This headline makes the mind race, unless (presumably) you are the child of an older father, in which case the lithium will have the upper hand. The temptation is to think that grumpy old men either make their children literally mad – not just furious (all parents do that) – or that they are less good at being fathers, so at the margin more of the kids attract the attention of the authorities. [Incidentally, if you want to attract the attention of the authorities I’d recommend fire as the number one method. If your father smelled of wee before you left school contact your primary carer before actually starting any fires]. The men who delay having kids might also be odd in subtle ways – although arguably not as odd as those falling over themselves to become unpaid bum wipers – and they might pass this on to their children. It would be wrong at this juncture to name any leading politicians. Not only wrong – imprudent. The study was quite sophisticated, however. They looked at men who had children both when they were young and old. It seemed that the kids who had brothers for ‘uncles’ also found anti-psychotic medication quite moreish, so the age of the father seemed to be the factor. It’s possible that the fathers were just better fathers to the children they had younger, and so it isn’t a biologically created difference, and it’s difficult for the researchers to allow for this. Epigenetics suggests that the way genes express themselves will vary depending on the lives that your parents lived, which (one might think) would confer some advantages on the children of older parents, so the biological counter-effect of an older father might be quite large if it swamps this.
Scandinavian studies, however, might begin with hugely inbred populations right from the outset. When an Italian warship docked in Iceland in World War Two the local female population behaved as a biologist would have predicted: the first and only example of young Italian servicemen feeling that they were being sexually harassed. For a people to have survived Iceland’s geographical isolation they had to be hardwired to grab genetic diversity with both thighs.
This possibility – that these studies actually tell us something about inbreeding – opens the entire issue out in ways that many of us might find uncomfortable. We like to believe that everyone who doesn’t have an obvious and manifest problem is as sound in wind and limb as anyone else. So we look at the fact that 60% of Britain’s track and field team is Afro-Caribbean, when this group represents 4% of the population, and we say, ‘Black Britons typically come from poorer communities, and so are drawn to sport as a way of getting on and getting out.’ Three seconds thought tells us that the socio-economic differences between white and black Britons are nothing like enough to explain what we see in sporting performance. Increasingly the orthodox view is that ‘mixed race’ athletes – and race is a nonsense notion – benefit from not being inbred. I went to school with a mixed race lad who played football for Scotland. He seemed to represent what we could all be without small-town-clown genes: generous of spirit, open-minded…….and able to jump.
All blue eyed people are hugely inbred, being descended from little more than a handful of blue eyed women 11,000 years ago. As brown eyes are ‘dominant’ you have to have an awful lot of blue eyed ancestors to have kept your Sinatra peepers. I’m one of this (un)lucky band. Socialists will doubtless think, ‘Ah ha, that explains everything!’ It goes without saying that this, of course, is precisely the kind of easy rush to judgment made by people the product of a gene thimble defined by the radius of a drunken ploughman’s crawl.
The scientist Steve Jones cryptically remarked that the world’s genetic problems will not be solved by geneticists but by the 747 jet. If you could pick your parents you’d be wise to choose (say) an Eritrean father and a Japanese mother. That said, a Rockefeller or Rothschild grandparent might also be useful, to provide the financial wherewithal to counter the inevitable racism. Come to think of it, I’ve just created the Six Million Dollar man – a trustafarian distance runner who can prepare sushi.
The British Pregnancy Advisory Service tried to give women with infertile partners something approaching an ideal pick. A friend from university regularly ‘donated’: similar to blood donation, but instead of a cup of tea and a biscuit they give you some wet wipes and a no eye contact guarantee. On the face of it a physically fit university student seemed like the kind of parent the future child would pick. The centre in Glasgow only had one door, so men accompanying their wives had a look at what they were actually buying into: a swaggering wedge of pugilist with an uncanny resemblance to Teen Wolf.
I know one seventy five year old with four kids all under ten. If you pause before knocking – a kind of legal listening at doors – one thing becomes obvious; the kids are very robust, it’s the old man who is being driven into insanity. This, come to think of it, might be the direction of causation. First they make you mad and then you return the favour.
 

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[JLCrab]

Edited November 14, 2017 by JLCrab

[CNXBKKMAN]

10 hours ago, wolfmanjack said:

the leaves fall off the teak trees in the hot season when you need them the most. Also it is illegal to cut them for wood unless you have them registered and get a permit when you want to cut them. It would be better to have more fruit trees for shade.

I think the teak trees are planted mainly for timber in future years and shade may determine where you plant them. I imagine anyone following the kings porpieng plan wont have any issues in cutting them down when they are fully grown. The land size is 1 rai or bit more. The trees are only a small part of that small plot of land. I wouldnt be surprised if the teak felling authorities have separate rules for people practicing the kings plan or an exemption. Cutting down teak and processing it into planks sounds like hard work though. Fruit trees for an easier life might be a good choice. 

[bazza73]

13 hours ago, Craig krup said:

I know one seventy five year old with four kids all under ten. If you pause before knocking – a kind of legal listening at doors – one thing becomes obvious; the kids are very robust, it’s the old man who is being driven into insanity. This, come to think of it, might be the direction of causation. First they make you mad and then you return the favour.
 

 I can't see how a 75 yo with four kids all under ten is going to survive on 4000 baht a month, unless his name is Fagin.

[MaeJoMTB]

4 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

 I can't see how a 75 yo with four kids all under ten is going to survive on 4000 baht a month, unless his name is Fagin.

My 6 year old son has cost me almost nothing so far.

School 'extras' around 5,000bht/year (inc uniforms/trips/school bus), just a Snickers bar or bag of Lay every now and again.

He mainly grazes from our plates, so his food costs almost nothing, we just eat a bit less (which is a good thing).

 

I'll probably be dead before the expense of University happens.

Edited November 15, 2017 by MaeJoMTB

[bazza73]

1 minute ago, MaeJoMTB said:

My 6 year old son has cost me almost nothing.

School fees around 5,000bht/year (inc uniforms), just a Snickers bar or bag of Lay every now and again.

He mainly grazes from our plates, so his food costs almost nothing, we just eat a bit less (which is a good thing).

I think you'll find an exponential increase occurring when he gets into his teens. After the hormones kick in, they become food furnaces.

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎06‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 7:51 PM, simon43 said:

I think living (existing?) on 4,000 THB excluding rent would be difficult.

 

I left Thailand just over a year ago.  Now living and working in Myanmar.  I buy fresh food for my 3 meals a day, but eat out at a Thai restaurant at the weekends.  My monthly spend (excluding my hotel accommodation expenses which are paid by my employer) is about 3,300 THB. 

 

It would be difficult to spend more, unless I took up drinking, smoking and whoring (again).

Do you have health insurance? Don't you like to travel, buy cloths, use aftershave, eat some gourmet food, no visa expenses?

My daughter of 12 gets 3600 THB pocket money every month, she likes to go to the movies with friends and eat bingsu.

[bkk6060]

15 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Do you have health insurance? Don't you like to travel, buy cloths, use aftershave, eat some gourmet food, no visa expenses?

My daughter of 12 gets 3600 THB pocket money every month, she likes to go to the movies with friends and eat bingsu.

That's probably because you are a good dad and want to take care of your kid.

  

[bkk6060]

26 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

My 6 year old son has cost me almost nothing so far.

School 'extras' around 5,000bht/year (inc uniforms/trips/school bus), just a Snickers bar or bag of Lay every now and again.

He mainly grazes from our plates, so his food costs almost nothing, we just eat a bit less (which is a good thing).

 

I'll probably be dead before the expense of University happens.

You really have something to be proud of.....

[soomak]

On 11/5/2017 at 4:19 AM, torrzent said:

OK...you may be right

Redoing the math, assuming 10 pairs each of everything and getting 2 days usage out of each.

That is one wash every 20 days for around 40 baht, or average of 60 baht per month, 720 baht per year.  Pretty good deal!

Underwear and T-Shirt in Thailand's hot weather must be changed daily, otherwise its just disgusting.

[Techno Viking]

7 minutes ago, soomak said:

Underwear and T-Shirt in Thailand's hot weather must be changed daily, otherwise its just disgusting.

Turn em inside out and they are god for 2 days use.

 

[MaeJoMTB]

42 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

I think you'll find an exponential increase occurring when he gets into his teens. After the hormones kick in, they become food furnaces.

My wife's ten daughter costs me 100bht/day in lunch money for university (but I have no ongoing commitment, she ain't mine).

She works as a petrol pump attendant in the holidays to pay her own uni fees.