Documents to prove mariage at amphun?

[Marius Brok]

Which documents one have to show at amphun to prove mariage in The Netherlands? Translations etc

[ubonjoe]

I assume you want to register your marriage done in the Netherlands at an Amphoe.

Your marriage certificate will need to be legalized by your embassy or by doing a notarized statement that it is true and correct. Then you will need to have it translated to Thai and the translation certified by the Department of Consular Affairs of the MFA.

When you do the registration you wife will be given to the option to take your name. When completed they will issue a Kor Ror 22 foreign marriage registry.

[JackThompson]

In addition to the above - which is true in all cases - you should have your Thai wife ask the amphoe for their list of requirements, as all can and do make up their own rules.  Knowing all their particular requirements could save a 2nd trip to your embassy.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I assume you want to register your marriage done in the Netherlands at an Amphoe.

Your marriage certificate will need to be legalized by your embassy or by doing a notarized statement that it is true and correct. Then you will need to have it translated to Thai and the translation certified by the Department of Consular Affairs of the MFA.

When you do the registration you wife will be given to the option to take your name. When completed they will issue a Kor Ror 22 foreign marriage registry.

Correct me if I'm wrong, when you say "Your marriage certificate will need to be legalized by your embassy or by doing a notarized statement that it is true and correct". It appears that one has a choice of a Notary Public or one's embassy.

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

It appears that one has a choice of a Notary Public or one's embassy.

The notarization would have to be done at an embassy. That is why had put it in the same sentence as the legalization.

[JackThompson]

38 minutes ago, riclag said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, when you say "Your marriage certificate will need to be legalized by your embassy or by doing a notarized statement that it is true and correct". It appears that one has a choice of a Notary Public or one's embassy.

All at the embassy, but some embassies won't certify the documents themselves as correct (USA's, among them), so you only have an option to sign a statement that you swear under penalty that the document is correct.  Then, they only certify your statement - not the document itself. 

 

Some amphoes will then say that you swearing isn't good enough, and use this wording in the Embassy's "he swears this" document to deny service to you.  I had this experience when trying to use a US-Embassy "affirmation of freedom to marry" document at multiple amphoes, even with the consular-signature being verified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 

 

I am not sure if any amphoes will give the same rationale for not certifying a foreign marriage certificate's validity, or will ask for a "certified copy of your passport," or create other similar run-arounds.  But during this time running in circles, one's visa, and then extensions will be expiring, and the MFA will say "you must have so many days left or we won't stamp anything for you," etc.

 

As we do not have a real-time list of what amphoes want (and it varies over time), this is why it is best to have one's Thai wife (or bride to be) go to the amphoe and obtain their current requirement-list.  They may still add something at the end, but it should get you close, and save a few runs around the track.

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, JackThompson said:

In addition to the above - which is true in all cases - you should have your Thai wife ask the amphoe for their list of requirements, as all can and do make up their own rules.  Knowing all their particular requirements could save a 2nd trip to your embassy.

I have written the same list of documents to register a foreign marriage many times and don't recall anybody being asked for more at an Amphoe.

I think you experience of registering marriage here jaundiced your opinion of Amphoes a little bit. That and/or all the reports about getting a yellow house book.

[JackThompson]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I have written the same list of documents to register a foreign marriage many times and don't recall anybody being asked for more at an Amphoe.

I think you experience of registering marriage here jaundiced your opinion of Amphoes a little bit. That and/or all the reports about getting a yellow house book.

You are correct about the why of my perceptions.  But the "embassy and MFA certified copy of passport" step was a recent addition to the marriage process - so concerned they might have tacked it on to registering foreign marriages also.

[Marius Brok]

Thanks all for the info.

 

I will follow up the advice to go to Amphoe in Nong Buarawe and my wife will ask for their list of documents. I do not know this Amphoe has experience with falang overhere. Yes in future we build a house and need more documents. Have already good contact with police and not need thea money, it looks they like wiskey.

 

 

[JackThompson]

12 hours ago, Marius Brok said:

Thanks all for the info.

 

I will follow up the advice to go to Amphoe in Nong Buarawe and my wife will ask for their list of documents. I do not know this Amphoe has experience with falang overhere. Yes in future we build a house and need more documents. Have already good contact with police and not need thea money, it looks they like wiskey.

In Bangkok, there are agents who can get you past the roadblocks to marriage put up by some amphoes.  It appears you have discovered the lubricant-of-choice for your area - and, if so, you will experience few problems.

[Formaleins]

19 hours ago, JackThompson said:

All at the embassy, but some embassies won't certify the documents themselves as correct (USA's, among them), so you only have an option to sign a statement that you swear under penalty that the document is correct.  Then, they only certify your statement - not the document itself. 

 

Some amphoes will then say that you swearing isn't good enough, and use this wording in the Embassy's "he swears this" document to deny service to you.  I had this experience when trying to use a US-Embassy "affirmation of freedom to marry" document at multiple amphoes, even with the consular-signature being verified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 

 

I am not sure if any amphoes will give the same rationale for not certifying a foreign marriage certificate's validity, or will ask for a "certified copy of your passport," or create other similar run-arounds.  But during this time running in circles, one's visa, and then extensions will be expiring, and the MFA will say "you must have so many days left or we won't stamp anything for you," etc.

 

As we do not have a real-time list of what amphoes want (and it varies over time), this is why it is best to have one's Thai wife (or bride to be) go to the amphoe and obtain their current requirement-list.  They may still add something at the end, but it should get you close, and save a few runs around the track.

British Embassy refused to do anything other than give a certificate to say they had " Seen" The documents - cost a pretty penny and is basically useless, they won't tell you this however, as they prefer to waste your time and take your cash, probably goes towards the sliced cucumber and salmon sandwiches.

[tryasimight]

3 hours ago, Formaleins said:

British Embassy refused to do anything other than give a certificate to say they had " Seen" The documents - cost a pretty penny and is basically useless, they won't tell you this however, as they prefer to waste your time and take your cash, probably goes towards the sliced cucumber and salmon sandwiches.

Earl Grey tea money old chap.