French Embassy of Bangkok Denies a French citizen and his children to have his Thai wife to accompany them back to France.

[romain22]

So here is the full story:

All of this started few years back when he had to find a school for his children. This father knew of Thai private schools and Public ones so he made his mind up and decided to never send his children to such schools where there were no critical thinking, no empathy, no real grading systems and where there was nothing but obedience and marching.

He therefore decided to take a lower paid job in a very good school (Montessori) far away from his dwelling. Did not renew his contract,got a full month paid from his previous school, got a good amount of money for working there 3 years and moved to that new location. Moving out costed about 30,000 Baht, Rent was 13,000 Baht a month, his car 5,050 Baht a month and everything was good as long as the savings were. Money was good until until he was asked to pay almost the full amount of the tuition for his first child in -that is about 70,000 baht. But believing it was worth it, he took the job and paid the tuition.. after all that was certainly the best school for young children in Thailand: playtime, love, care, beautiful garden, nice teachers, open-minded community, and more. The dream school for a father.

Savings were almost gone and the second child had to go to school the next year. Hoping for a good discount he renewed his contract but nothing amazing : for two children, there were still about 100,000 baht to be paid. Not having enough money he asked his school to withdraw a monthly amount from his salary in order to enroll both his children in this programme. So his salary went down again to about 26,000 baht/month.

Rent was 13,000 baht a month ; car 5000 baht a month electricity 2000 baht a month, diapers and formula, food, dentist, doctor,  three month back to back immigration stuff, yearly renewal visa in Laos (will get back to that later on).... The family could just no longer afford to live in Thailand. So why they decided to return to France where he would easily find a job (BA, MA and 11 years as a teacher). Was the family totally in distress ? No! But it did not take a genius to know that there will be only limited time before they reach that level of precarity when they would not be able to keep living like that. Passed March --the date the father had to renew his visa, he would have to make a choice : invest his money in that trip to Laos and continue like that and spend his last chance to return to his country ; or get the hell outta here before financial resources get to low to pay for 4 plane tickets, three months rent in France and enough for food and utilities once over there.

Planning on reaching a financial critical point around March 2018, he contacted the embassy in order to plan his return to France where he could make more money and will not have to worry about having his children in French public schools. He eventually asked for some help and advice in order to leave before his savings gone.

He explained them how tight was his budget but because he got married the American Way  (that is he got married in Thailand first), they asked him to legalized his marriage with French authorities by getting his marriage certificate stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand and translated by an authorized translator.  They knew about it when they got married (the French embassy had immediately been notified three days after getting married) so they had already made this paper. So far no problems whatsoever. The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport). All together, the embassy asked them to spend an extra 9 000 baht! Not a lot you would say! Well, when you've got nothing left at the end of each month it's still 9000 times more than what you can afford. He therefore asked for a waiver and told them he will send copies of his children's birth certificates as well as Family Book onto which an Embassy Officer of the French Embassy of Bangkok had recorded the names of each single family member few years back.

The Officer coldly replied that the waiver would be denied ; that they had to send all these documents again because this was the procedure for getting married. There are two issues here. First of, they were already married and secondly all these documents had already been provided to the French embassy  and stored in their archives! The only thing they had to do was to move their big fat butts to the basements and check whether the given documents, birth certificates and Family Book matched. I guess it was too much work to check. Who cares about one single family, right? We have already seen similar attitude during the government of Vichy and we know what it lead to.

Anyway, for the moment, the only way for him to get enough money to return to France would be to sell his car. The only way for him to spend that extra 9000 baht would be to sell his car.. No car, no job. No job, can't afford paying rent, no electricity, no internet, no diapers, no school etc…

(I forgot to mention that when he left his previous job for another he lost his work permit because of some bureaucratic  incompetence from immigration offices which seemed not to have agreed on the required documents needed when reapplying for a second work permit. So he had to work on a family visa since then). All of this, of course, the French embassy was notified. Yet, do they care one of their citizens is working illegally?

Thailand, as a father,  is not a good country to live in and definitively not when working on a family visa. Education is crap, Teaching jobs don't pay as much as before (it's exactly the same pay as 15 years ago but life is 10 times more expensive!); school fees are huge; visa fees and everything related to it end up costing between 15,000 to 30,000 Baht a year and immigration laws and work permit have become ridiculously costly and cleverless.

This father is not working legally here, is no longer happy and just want to educate his children where he thinks it will be much better and affordable. And to do so, the only thing that the father wants is a bit of  common sense from the French Embassy and being able to return home with his family (at his costs not at theirs).

But hey! The law is the law right? I guess the French embassy is missing the olden days when French had real  thoughtful laws such as this one found in Drancy Camp : “Taking a Shower After 10pm is Forbidden”.

Common! It’s 2017, it's time to show critical thinking and common sense. If a Father had already been declaring all his children at the embassy, if the embassy had already checked all sort of ID s of his wife previously, if a father had already notified his situation to the embassy for a year already, if he is working illegally and just want to go home : can't they just demonstrate common sense and acknowledge that the ID of the mother had already been given, legalized and translated  many times? This father has already found a job in France… he just need to bring his whole family along.

What are they waiting for? To push their citizens to a situation of precarity and reach a point where everything seems meaningless such as David Guffroy and his wife who just decided to end their lives yesterday due to a similar situation?

 

 

Edited November 24, 2017 by romain22

[LaoPo]

43 minutes ago, romain22 said:

So here is the full story:

All of this started few years back when he had to find a school for his children. This father knew of Thai private schools and Public ones so he made his mind up and decided to never send his children to such schools where there were no critical thinking, no empathy, no real grading systems and where there was nothing but obedience and marching.

He therefore decided to take a lower paid job in a very good school (Montessori) far away from his dwelling. Did not renew his contract,got a full month paid from his previous school, got a good amount of money for working there 3 years and moved to that new location. Moving out costed about 30,000 Baht, Rent was 13,000 Baht a month, his car 5,050 Baht a month and everything was good as long as the savings were. Money was good until until he was asked to pay almost the full amount of the tuition for his first child in -that is about 70,000 baht. But believing it was worth it, he took the job and paid the tuition.. after all that was certainly the best school for young children in Thailand: playtime, love, care, beautiful garden, nice teachers, open-minded community, and more. The dream school for a father.

Savings were almost gone and the second child had to go to school the next year. Hoping for a good discount he renewed his contract but nothing amazing : for two children, there were still about 100,000 baht to be paid. Not having enough money he asked his school to withdraw a monthly amount from his salary in order to enroll both his children in this programme. So his salary went down again to about 26,000 baht/month.

Rent was 13,000 baht a month ; car 5000 baht a month electricity 2000 baht a month, diapers and formula, food, dentist, doctor,  three month back to back immigration stuff, yearly renewal visa in Laos (will get back to that later on).... The family could just no longer afford to live in Thailand. So why they decided to return to France where he would easily find a job (BA, MA and 11 years as a teacher). Was the family totally in distress ? No! But it did not take a genius to know that there will be only limited time before they reach that level of precarity when they would not be able to keep living like that. Passed March --the date the father had to renew his visa, he would have to make a choice : invest his money in that trip to Laos and continue like that and spend his last chance to return to his country ; or get the hell outta here before financial resources get to low to pay for 4 plane tickets, three months rent in France and enough for food and utilities once over there.

Planning on reaching a financial critical point around March 2018, he contacted the embassy in order to plan his return to France where he could make more money and will not have to worry about having his children in French public schools. He eventually asked for some help and advice in order to leave before his savings gone.

He explained them how tight was his budget but because he got married the American Way  (that is he got married in Thailand first), they asked him to legalized his marriage with French authorities by getting his marriage certificate stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand and translated by an authorized translator.  They knew about it when they got married (the French embassy had immediately been notified three days after getting married) so they had already made this paper. So far no problems whatsoever. The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport). All together, the embassy asked them to spend an extra 9 000 baht! Not a lot you would say! Well, when you've got nothing left at the end of each month it's still 9000 times more than what you can afford. He therefore asked for a waiver and told them he will send copies of his children's birth certificates as well as Family Book onto which an Embassy Officer of the French Embassy of Bangkok had recorded the names of each single family member few years back.

The Officer coldly replied that the waiver would be denied ; that they had to send all these documents again because this was the procedure for getting married. There are two issues here. First of, they were already married and secondly all these documents had already been provided to the French embassy  and stored in their archives! The only thing they had to do was to move their big fat butts to the basements and check whether the given documents, birth certificates and Family Book matched. I guess it was too much work to check. Who cares about one single family, right? We have already seen similar attitude during the government of Vichy and we know what it lead to.

Anyway, for the moment, the only way for him to get enough money to return to France would be to sell his car. The only way for him to spend that extra 9000 baht would be to sell his car.. No car, no job. No job, can't afford paying rent, no electricity, no internet, no diapers, no school etc…

(I forgot to mention that when he left his previous job for another he lost his work permit because of some bureaucratic  incompetence from immigration offices which seemed not to have agreed on the required documents needed when reapplying for a second work permit. So he had to work on a family visa since then). All of this, of course, the French embassy was notified. Yet, do they care one of their citizens is working illegally?

Thailand, as a father,  is not a good country to live in and definitively not when working on a family visa. Education is crap, Teaching jobs don't pay as much as before (it's exactly the same pay as 15 years ago but life is 10 times more expensive!); school fees are huge; visa fees and everything related to it end up costing between 15,000 to 30,000 Baht a year and immigration laws and work permit have become ridiculously costly and cleverless.

This father is not working legally here, is no longer happy and just want to educate his children where he thinks it will be much better and affordable. And to do so, the only thing that the father wants is a bit of  common sense from the French Embassy and being able to return home with his family (at his costs not at theirs).

But hey! The law is the law right? I guess the French embassy is missing the olden days when French had real  thoughtful laws such as this one found in Drancy Camp : “Taking a Shower After 10pm is Forbidden”.

Common! It’s 2017, it's time to show critical thinking and common sense. If a Father had already been declaring all his children at the embassy, if the embassy had already checked all sort of ID s of his wife previously, if a father had already notified his situation to the embassy for a year already, if he is working illegally and just want to go home : can't they just demonstrate common sense and acknowledge that the ID of the mother had already been given, legalized and translated  many times? This father has already found a job in France… he just need to bring his whole family along.

What are they waiting for? To push their citizens to a situation of precarity and reach a point where everything seems meaningless such as David Guffroy and his wife who just decided to end their lives yesterday due to a similar situation?

 

 

 

It looks like you blame everybody, except the father and his family, trying to go back to France. You're even blaming and bashing Thailand, unbelievable!

The French Embassy is following the rules and their own immigration laws IN France and they're strict and right they are.

 

I wrote before that there are many thousands of examples of EU citizens, falling in love outside the EU, maybe marry in the other 3rd world country, have children or not and want to go back to their home country at a certain point...WITH their loved one (and kids)

 

That's FINE!

 

But you have to follow the laws and this time the Frenchman has to do so also; let him go back to France, if possible with his kids and his wife can follow later according to French laws.

 

It's been done many many times before and MANY members on Thaivisa had to follow these rules also according to the rules of their home country and Thailand.

 

STOP blaming everybody else, except the French guy.

 

 

 

 

[oldgent]

seams to me this guy is in La La land, If he thinks the French authorities are going to

bend the rules for him i,m afraid he is barking up the wrong tree. As suggested leave the wife behind

go to france and follow the rules. threatening to commit suicide is wrong and I hope he does not do this.

 

[LaoPo]

1 hour ago, romain22 said:

So here is the full story:

All of this started few years back when he had to find a school for his children. This father knew of Thai private schools and Public ones so he made his mind up and decided to never send his children to such schools where there were no critical thinking, no empathy, no real grading systems and where there was nothing but obedience and marching.

He therefore decided to take a lower paid job in a very good school (Montessori) far away from his dwelling. Did not renew his contract,got a full month paid from his previous school, got a good amount of money for working there 3 years and moved to that new location. Moving out costed about 30,000 Baht, Rent was 13,000 Baht a month, his car 5,050 Baht a month and everything was good as long as the savings were. Money was good until until he was asked to pay almost the full amount of the tuition for his first child in -that is about 70,000 baht. But believing it was worth it, he took the job and paid the tuition.. after all that was certainly the best school for young children in Thailand: playtime, love, care, beautiful garden, nice teachers, open-minded community, and more. The dream school for a father.

Savings were almost gone and the second child had to go to school the next year. Hoping for a good discount he renewed his contract but nothing amazing : for two children, there were still about 100,000 baht to be paid. Not having enough money he asked his school to withdraw a monthly amount from his salary in order to enroll both his children in this programme. So his salary went down again to about 26,000 baht/month.

Rent was 13,000 baht a month ; car 5000 baht a month electricity 2000 baht a month, diapers and formula, food, dentist, doctor,  three month back to back immigration stuff, yearly renewal visa in Laos (will get back to that later on).... The family could just no longer afford to live in Thailand. So why they decided to return to France where he would easily find a job (BA, MA and 11 years as a teacher). Was the family totally in distress ? No! But it did not take a genius to know that there will be only limited time before they reach that level of precarity when they would not be able to keep living like that. Passed March --the date the father had to renew his visa, he would have to make a choice : invest his money in that trip to Laos and continue like that and spend his last chance to return to his country ; or get the hell outta here before financial resources get to low to pay for 4 plane tickets, three months rent in France and enough for food and utilities once over there.

Planning on reaching a financial critical point around March 2018, he contacted the embassy in order to plan his return to France where he could make more money and will not have to worry about having his children in French public schools. He eventually asked for some help and advice in order to leave before his savings gone.

He explained them how tight was his budget but because he got married the American Way  (that is he got married in Thailand first), they asked him to legalized his marriage with French authorities by getting his marriage certificate stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand and translated by an authorized translator.  They knew about it when they got married (the French embassy had immediately been notified three days after getting married) so they had already made this paper. So far no problems whatsoever. The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport). All together, the embassy asked them to spend an extra 9 000 baht! Not a lot you would say! Well, when you've got nothing left at the end of each month it's still 9000 times more than what you can afford. He therefore asked for a waiver and told them he will send copies of his children's birth certificates as well as Family Book onto which an Embassy Officer of the French Embassy of Bangkok had recorded the names of each single family member few years back.

The Officer coldly replied that the waiver would be denied ; that they had to send all these documents again because this was the procedure for getting married. There are two issues here. First of, they were already married and secondly all these documents had already been provided to the French embassy  and stored in their archives! The only thing they had to do was to move their big fat butts to the basements and check whether the given documents, birth certificates and Family Book matched. I guess it was too much work to check. Who cares about one single family, right? We have already seen similar attitude during the government of Vichy and we know what it lead to.

Anyway, for the moment, the only way for him to get enough money to return to France would be to sell his car. The only way for him to spend that extra 9000 baht would be to sell his car.. No car, no job. No job, can't afford paying rent, no electricity, no internet, no diapers, no school etc…

(I forgot to mention that when he left his previous job for another he lost his work permit because of some bureaucratic  incompetence from immigration offices which seemed not to have agreed on the required documents needed when reapplying for a second work permit. So he had to work on a family visa since then). All of this, of course, the French embassy was notified. Yet, do they care one of their citizens is working illegally?

Thailand, as a father,  is not a good country to live in and definitively not when working on a family visa. Education is crap, Teaching jobs don't pay as much as before (it's exactly the same pay as 15 years ago but life is 10 times more expensive!); school fees are huge; visa fees and everything related to it end up costing between 15,000 to 30,000 Baht a year and immigration laws and work permit have become ridiculously costly and cleverless.

This father is not working legally here, is no longer happy and just want to educate his children where he thinks it will be much better and affordable. And to do so, the only thing that the father wants is a bit of  common sense from the French Embassy and being able to return home with his family (at his costs not at theirs).

But hey! The law is the law right? I guess the French embassy is missing the olden days when French had real  thoughtful laws such as this one found in Drancy Camp : “Taking a Shower After 10pm is Forbidden”.

Common! It’s 2017, it's time to show critical thinking and common sense. If a Father had already been declaring all his children at the embassy, if the embassy had already checked all sort of ID s of his wife previously, if a father had already notified his situation to the embassy for a year already, if he is working illegally and just want to go home : can't they just demonstrate common sense and acknowledge that the ID of the mother had already been given, legalized and translated  many times? This father has already found a job in France… he just need to bring his whole family along.

What are they waiting for? To push their citizens to a situation of precarity and reach a point where everything seems meaningless such as David Guffroy and his wife who just decided to end their lives yesterday due to a similar situation?

 

 

 

You also wrote:

 

"""

The problem arose when they asked for his wife's ID card, Passport, House Book and so on to be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and translated by a legal translator. All these documents to prove the identity of his wife had all been previously given in hands at the embassy when they had to declare their children and when they received a Family Book (some kind of French Family Passport).

"""

 

Does that mean ALL original papers of the wife like: ID card, Passport, House Book were given to the French Embassy for legalisation by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

That's hard to believe since a Ministry or Embassy normally doesn't handle these kind of translations; they ask the holder to have it officially translated.

 

Further you wrote:

 

"""

...they were already married ...

"""

 

That's not an officially legal marriage within Thailand; it's a Thai ceremony but to be officially legalized yet in France as far as I know.

 

Next:

 

Maybe I didn't understand correctly but what Nationality do the children have? I didn't read that they are French...?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rhodie]

He had enough money to live in France with his family for 3 months? Sounds like more than 9000 Baht!

 

This is nothing but a wind up. 

[tonray]

So this guy, who is incapable of maintaining a family budget and earning enough to support the lifestyle he wants now blames France....gimme a break. Guess what, if you cannot earn enough to cover your monthly expenses, you need to spend less or earn more.....this is the same equation everyone has to learn in life. If he could not afford kids and the life that went with it...he should have gone to 7 and bought some condoms.

[oldgent]

i,m afraid to say after reading the news the couple have already taken there lives.

and from what i understand this story is 2 years old So Mr romain22 what was the

purpose of your post. 

[oldgent]

can I ask the Moderator to close this meaningless post as the true story is 

running in another thread

[LaoPo]

oldgent: I'm sorry to read this sad news; is this running topic about the same French/Thai couple?

 

Are you sure oldgent?

 

link: https://news.thaivisa.com/article/12325/frenchman-with-no-money-and-thai-wife-in-apparent-suicide-pact-in-uthai-thani

 

I don't understand this situation....2 children left alone if this is the same couple and they took their own lives ?

 

SAD NEWS and may they R.I.P.  

Edited November 24, 2017 by LaoPo

[LaoPo]

"""

A handwritten suicide letter in both Thai and English signed by the couple was found on their computer desk inside the bedroom.

The letter was dated September 5. 

In Thai, it stated: “I decided to kill myself with Khun David, [signed by] Saifon”. 

In English, it stated: "Today, I decided to die with my wife Saifon because [neither] my mother [nor] my father want to help us. David Guffroy”. 

Relatives said the woman saw a psychiatrist regularly while the Frenchman had developed depression as he had no job and his passport had expired. – The Nation/Asia News Network""

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2017/11/24/thai-woman-french-husband-commit-double-suicide-in-thailand/#1bKMv0araR8zF3AT.99

 

 

[oldgent]

11 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

oldgent: I'm sorry to read this sad news; is this running topic about the same French/Thai couple?

 

Are you sure oldgent?

 

link: https://news.thaivisa.com/article/12325/frenchman-with-no-money-and-thai-wife-in-apparent-suicide-pact-in-uthai-thani

 

I don't understand this situation....2 children left alone if this is the same couple and they took their own lives ?

 

SAD NEWS and may they R.I.P.  

No mention of the children as far as i can see 

[LaoPo]

6 minutes ago, oldgent said:

No mention of the children as far as i can see 

 

Yes, I'm reading the other topic where it said that a French/Thai couple sadly took their own lives but I also don't see any report about 2 children.

 

Maybe the OP -Romain22- can give some more info IF it's about the same couple ?

 

[romain22]

It seems everyone has its own definition about family : my definition is that father, mother and children should never be separated.

[romain22]

(the suicide thing is not the same story... just another guy stuck in this country)

[LaoPo]

10 minutes ago, romain22 said:

It seems everyone has its own definition about family : my definition is that father, mother and children should never be separated.

 

I think most of us here would agree with you but if one falls in love with a citizen from another foreign non-EU, or other western country, than we run into immigration laws from both sides.

 

And those laws apply to every one, including "your" Frenchman.

 

As an example: I also ran into the immigration laws, long ago and it was a long, very long and painful process whereby my wife also wasn't allowed into my country of origin straight away but had to go to the "tourist" visa process first and after that had to "walk" throughout the entire integration process of my country: learning the language etc.

 

 

 

[oldgent]

13 minutes ago, romain22 said:

(the suicide thing is not the same story... just another guy stuck in this country)

I take it you have evidence i.e newspaper story or other, or are you trying to be 

a would be journalist. 

[LaoPo]

2 hours ago, oldgent said:

can I ask the Moderator to close this meaningless post as the true story is 

running in another thread

 

The OP Romain22 answered that this topic is NOT about the other French/Thai couple who committed suicide.

[oldgent]

3 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

 

The OP Romain22 answered that this topic is NOT about the other French/Thai couple who committed suicide.

yes but he is being very Coy about it, if this story is true i have asked him for evidence

on where he got the story from, I await his answer

[romain22]

27 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

 

I think most of us here would agree with you but if one falls in love with a citizen from another foreign non-EU, or other western country, than we run into immigration laws from both sides.

 

And those laws apply to every one, including "your" Frenchman.

 

As an example: I also ran into the immigration laws, long ago and it was a long, very long and painful process whereby my wife also wasn't allowed into my country of origin straight away but had to go to the "tourist" visa process first and after that had to "walk" throughout the entire integration process of my country: learning the language etc.

 

 And did you have children too?

 

 

[LaoPo]

24 minutes ago, romain22 said:

 

""""And did you have children too?"""

 

Please do not write within my post; it's not allowed and confusing.

 

No, there were no children in our case but that has nothing to do with "your" situation; also you never wrote about the nationality of the 2 children; if they are French with a French passport, the father can travel tomorrow to France but not with the spouse.

It's a completely different route and that the French father has 2 children, born in Thailand, is not a guarantee that France will allow the 2 to enter France if they're Thai; if they're French it's no problem.

 

YOU speak about family values but in this case it's about immigration laws.

It all depends on French immigration laws.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2017 by LaoPo

[romain22]

1 hour ago, LaoPo said:

""""And did you have children too?"""

 

Please do not write within my post; it's not allowed and confusing.

 

No, there were no children in our case but that has nothing to do with "your" situation; also you never wrote about the nationality of the 2 children; if they are French with a French passport, the father can travel tomorrow to France but not with the spouse.

It's a completely different route and that the French father has 2 children, born in Thailand, is not a guarantee that France will allow the 2 to enter France if they're Thai; if they're French it's no problem.

 

YOU speak about family values but in this case it's about immigration laws.

It all depends on French immigration laws.

 

 

Both children are declared at the French embassy and are therefore French by birth. I dont think it would be such a big deal if that French guy and his wife did not have any children.. they would just go separate ways for a short/long time. The problem is that to take one's father or one's mother away from the children is just not acceptable. That is just not right. White or black, French or not, Muslim or Christian... no children should suffer from  not being with both parents. There are indeed immigration laws but they are also moral laws and laws that protect and prevent children from being separated from their own parents.

[oldgent]

you have,nt answered me, anyhow what is your interest in this case are you the Frenchman

[LaoPo]

5 minutes ago, romain22 said:

Both children are declared at the French embassy and are therefore French by birth. I dont think it would be such a big deal if that French guy and his wife did not have any children.. they would just go separate ways for a short/long time. The problem is that to take one's father or one's mother away from the children is just not acceptable. That is just not right. White or black, French or not, Muslim or Christian... no children should suffer from  not being with both parents. There are indeed immigration laws but they are also moral laws and laws that protect and prevent children from being separated from their own parents.

 

Have you any idea how many orphan* children there are in the world, without any parent at all?

You talk about morality all the time but that's not what this case is about.

 

It's about (French) immigration laws and NOT about moral laws since there aren't any moral laws, protecting and preventing children from being separated from their mom; the only one to be blamed here is the father himself since he did NOT prepare for the repatriating of his family to France himself.

 

You should stop complaining and feel happy that the French father has 2 French kids and he can settle in France, leaving tomorrow, and start preparing to arrange for his wife in the next few months, instead bashing Thailand and France.

Oh, let me tell you that the kids will forget about missing their mom in a few months to a year when they grow up.

Children are more adaptable than you and the father seem to be but the problem is that you/father can't stand to be critized.

 

The losers are the kids who will be missing their mom but it's the father problem who didn't prepare for the situation and should have started studying the case or hire a professional immigration lawyer in France what, how and when to handle and organise..

They're the best to handle cases like you're talking about.

 

Oh, and BTW, I think you write in the 3rd person (as romain22) and are the father himself...aren't you? 

 

* http://hopeeffect.com/153-million-orphans/

 

 

[romain22]

9 minutes ago, LaoPo said:

Oh, let me tell you that the kids will forget about missing their mom in a few months to a year when they grow up.

you must be joking, right? ----But maybe your point of view reflects the French Embassy's.

Edited November 24, 2017 by romain22

[oldgent]

Mr romain22 you are flogging a dead horse here probably being French you won,t understand

just come clean 

[LaoPo]

2 minutes ago, romain22 said:

you must be joking, right? ----But maybe your point of view reflects the French Embassy's.

 

Of course I'm not joking andI've nothing to do with the French Embassy

You look bitter in your battle for your own family since it's not your friend but you, being the father; don't deny it!

 

You have NO idea how many hundreds (!!) of millions of children in Asia grow up with aunties, uncles, grandparents etc when their parents, deadly poor, travel long distances to work in factories to try and make an income to pay for the education of their children.

And do you think these kids don't miss nor love their parents anymore? Of course they do, but they will grow up and create families of their own still adoring and loving their parents and accepting their situation.

But they WILL grow up and be mature but YOU..?

 

YOU are behaving yourself as a child.

 

Shame

[oldgent]

ok looks like i,m touching a nerve that,s why you are not answering me.

reading from your reply,s I think you are a family man and a loving father

and can not bear to be apart from your family, but you have to make sarcrafices

in life, and now is the time. your wife must have family so they will help her and give her a 

place to stay . its time to man up do the right thing

[oldgent]

Apologies if you are not fluent in english and have to translate possibly

why it takes you so long to answer

[Berkshire]

10 hours ago, romain22 said:

Both children are declared at the French embassy and are therefore French by birth. I dont think it would be such a big deal if that French guy and his wife did not have any children.. they would just go separate ways for a short/long time. The problem is that to take one's father or one's mother away from the children is just not acceptable. That is just not right. White or black, French or not, Muslim or Christian... no children should suffer from  not being with both parents. There are indeed immigration laws but they are also moral laws and laws that protect and prevent children from being separated from their own parents.

You're being a bit melodramatic, aren't you?  Firstly, kids get separated from their parents all the time.  Whether it's poor migrant kids or rich kids with divorced parents or kids with parents who have to work away from home, etc.  It is what it is.

 

Secondly, this story isn't about the French government, or the Thai education system, or Syrian refugees, blah blah blah.  It's about personal responsibility.  This guy (or you) made some wrong choices.  A single man makes wrong choices and only he suffers.  A family man, well that's another matter.  There's nothing wrong with making bad choices so long as you man up and take responsibility.  This guy (or you) put his family in this predicament.  Now this guy (or you) has to make some choices.  Hopefully he (or you) will make the right ones this time.

[marko kok prong]

Trying to live in Thailand on a school teachers wage, being a falang is maybe do-able for a youngish single man,but not having a wife and 2 kids,that is were things started to go wrong.