tm30 after border run and change condo

[sustanon]

i am coming back pattaya after a border run in cambodia. i changed condo 1 month ago. on tm6 now there is a new address. i dont understand what i have to do in immigration about the change of address. i read about many farang being fined. 

i just go immigration and tell them i changed address i need a new tm30? what document i need for this? i am renting a condo

[ubonjoe]

Jomtien immigration will only want a new TM30 form submitted.

[THAILIBAN]

16 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Jomtien immigration will only want a new TM30 form submitted.

 

As he moved to a new place, he should have reported his new address within 24 hours which he didn't (which of course has nothing to do with his trip to Cambo). To write the new address on the TM6 is not enough.

But if the OP is here on a TV or METV only, that should not cause problems as there is little chance it will be checked or detected, unlike when you are here on a 1-year-extension. Or did I miss something?

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, THAILIBAN said:

But if the OP is here on a TV or METV only, that should not cause problems as there is little chance it will be checked or detected, unlike when you are here on a 1-year-extension. Or did I miss something?

If he goes to Jomtien immigration to apply for a 30 day extension of his entry he will need a TM30 form done. That is a requirement there.

[sustanon]

i was on a metv start january 16, today 2nd border run and 1extension. i will do the 2extension 24 dicember 17.

 

so for avoid problem and fine, i can just go at immigration next monday and make a new tm30? or i can wait for the extension? 

 

what document do i need for this tm30?

 

[THAILIBAN]

14 minutes ago, sustanon said:

i was on a metv start january 16, today 2nd border run and 1extension. i will do the 2extension 24 dicember 17.

 

so for avoid problem and fine, i can just go at immigration next monday and make a new tm30? or i can wait for the extension? 

 

what document do i need for this tm30?

 

 

TM30 is not the proper form as this is for returning to the old place of residence after leaving the country, but Ubonjoe for sure will soon post the number of the correct form here.

If reporting a new address, you have to make sure that you enter the correct date when you moved, which would have to be just one day before you go to immi, otherwise you will pay a hefty fine.

So, if you go to immi on Tuesday, 28 Nov, you need to fill in 27 Nov as the day when you have moved to the new place.

[ubonjoe]

22 minutes ago, sustanon said:

so for avoid problem and fine, i can just go at immigration next monday and make a new tm30? or i can wait for the extension? 

Best to it as soon as possible. Jomtien is very strict about it and have fined people for not doing it.

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, THAILIBAN said:

TM30 is not the proper form as this is for returning to the old place of residence after leaving the country, but Ubonjoe for sure will soon post the number of the correct form here.

The TM28 form is the correct form but Jomtien immigration along with others want a new TM30 form instead of it.

In reality though both should be submitted. The TM28 form from the individual reporting a change of address and a TM30 form from the landlord.

[sustanon]

no documents needed?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, sustanon said:

no documents needed?

They might want your rental agreement with signed copies of the owners house book and ID card attached.

But there have been reports of Jomtien not always asking for them.

[sustanon]

ok thank i will do on monday ?

 

but i dont understand how can immigration discover that i changed condo? 

 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, sustanon said:

but i dont understand how can immigration discover that i changed condo? 

By checking to see if you lived there.

Have you submitted a TM30 to them before.

[sustanon]

by checking you mean that immigration send someone to check if i still live in the condo i submitted before?

 

becouse i still havent a contract for the new condo. i have to ask for the contract. 

also i will need to go immigration twice. for this new tm 28/30 and 24 december for the extension.

 

is it riscky to just do both tm 28/30 and extension 24 december?

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, sustanon said:

by checking you mean that immigration send someone to check if i still live in the condo i submitted before?

 

becouse i still havent a contract for the new condo. i have to ask for the contract. 

also i will need to go immigration twice. for this new tm 28/30 and 24 december for the extension.

 

is it riscky to just do both tm 28/30 and extension 24 december?

You don't need to do a TM.28. Your landlord needs to do the TM.30 because you won't get an extension of stay without it being done.

 

If the TM.30 isn't done until the day you apply for the extension they may fine your landlord (maybe you) up to 2,000 baht. The typical fine, across the country, is 800 baht.

[david555]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They might want your rental agreement with signed copies of the owners house book and ID card attached.

But there have been reports of Jomtien not always asking for them.

I never had a tm 28 or 30....and did in sept. My second ret.ext. just with my rental contract....never be asked for both ...neither when i do 90 days rapporting...

I am 7 years on same adres and now 3 years never left thailand....? This all at jomtien.....must be i am one of the good trusted ones.....☺

[jojothai]

34 minutes ago, elviajero said:

You don't need to do a TM.28. Your landlord needs to do the TM.30 because you won't get an extension of stay without it being done.

 

If the TM.30 isn't done until the day you apply for the extension they may fine your landlord (maybe you) up to 2,000 baht. The typical fine, across the country, is 800 baht.

If you want the extension and they raise the TM30 issue, and you dont have it, then you are going to have to pay the fine immediately.

Whether it is the landlords responsibility or not.

I understand that they will take the TM30 from any individual, fill it out get the landlord to sign it and give you a copy of their ID & their Housebook. They need to sign the copies.

The TM 30 is supposed to be filed within 24 hours but I believe that Jomtien are lenient within a couple of days, perhaps somebody else can please confirm.

[sustanon]

sorry but now i am more confused then before.

 

i am sure that on my last 30days extension in september they wanted the rental agreement. i am sure becouse i have to go back to the condo to take it, since i didnt have with me.

so immigration know my old address.

i really have no idea if i ever done a tm28/30 is there any way to check?

 

i just want to do the right things to not get fined for this.

 

 

[elviajero]

20 minutes ago, sustanon said:

sorry but now i am more confused then before.

 

i am sure that on my last 30days extension in september they wanted the rental agreement. i am sure becouse i have to go back to the condo to take it, since i didnt have with me.

so immigration know my old address.

i really have no idea if i ever done a tm28/30 is there any way to check?

 

i just want to do the right things to not get fined for this.

They probably wanted proof of where you are living and accepted the rental agreement.

 

You are talking about applying for a 30 day extension, which means you entered as a 'tourist'. Tourists are not required to advise immigration of changes to their address (TM.28). That is done by the people of the addresses you stay at using the TM.30. Your last entry to the country counts as a brand new entry, and your landlord is responsible for submitting a TM.30.

 

When you apply for an extension of stay they will likely want a TM.30, if not already done, and or proof of address.

 

[sustanon]

yes i am tourist, with a METV before, and a VOA/30days extension now.

 

if my landlord did not make a tm30 for me i cannot be fined? 100% sure?

 

i will make a new 30day extension the 24 december 2017. can i give them the old contract of rent? 

in the tm6 done today in cambodia there is the new address and not the old one.

 

 

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, sustanon said:

if my landlord did not make a tm30 for me i cannot be fined? 100% sure?

That depends on the immigration office. Some offices will make you jointly liable with the landlord for ensuring the TM30 notification is done. That is a lot easier for them than chasing your landlord.

[JackThompson]

8 hours ago, sustanon said:

yes i am tourist, with a METV before, and a VOA/30days extension now.

 

if my landlord did not make a tm30 for me i cannot be fined? 100% sure?

 

i will make a new 30day extension the 24 december 2017. can i give them the old contract of rent? 

in the tm6 done today in cambodia there is the new address and not the old one.

If you were returning to the same address, you would not need the rental-contract or new TM-30 form at some offices (Jomtien included) - just show up with a copy of Passport main-page, new TM-6, last TM-30 slip, and entry-stamp and tell them "same address."  Some people say they have been told this is not necessary, but I have been told I was correct to do it - many times.

 

Because you have a new address, you will need to bring your new rental-contract and new TM-30 form.  If you find the form confusing (since it was originally for landlords to fill out), the little shop to the left, when you are outside the immigration building, facing the front-door, can fill it in for you for 100 Baht or so.  For people on tourist-type entries, Jomtien seems OK with contract + form only.

 

Yes, you could be fined for being "late" on reporting this - or not - some believe that Jomtien is less harsh about this for those on Tourist-type entries - but that may only apply on the first time a person shows up for an extension, and does their first TM-30.  If going for the 30-day extension, later, it will come up, eventually.

 

When I asked the Jomtien-TM-30 desk about moving residences, before my last move, they said I had 72 hours to report.  I reported the first working-day after moving to the new residence.  The contact-dates (my old-contract ending date and new-contract starting date overlapped) were relevant to the process.

 

My experience with the TM-30 desk has been always been professional/friendly.  If you are assessed with a fine, however, don't argue the point, as that just gets you a chat with the boss -  then paying the fine, anyway (seen this happen to others).

[jojothai]

28 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

My experience with the TM-30 desk has been always been professional/friendly.  If you are assessed with a fine, however, don't argue the point, as that just gets you a chat with the boss -  then paying the fine, anyway (seen this happen to others).

Good info thanks, Thats what I am being told also.

 

The OP needs to understand that if he is asked for the TM30 and doesn't have it then he will have to pay the fine.

Unless he wants to go out and try and find the landlord, and try to get the landlord to pay.

How does the landlord know if the OP goes outside the  country and returns needing a TM 30?

As a landlord I would normally not know. Where I let, I now added into the lease that the tenant has to get the TM30 done and I have already supplied them with the docs necessary. They have the documents and must be responsible to pay any fines and not me. 

 

Has the OP already told the landlord that he was going outside the country and that he needs the TM30 from the landlord?

 

 

[BigT73]

Hi OP, I use the metv regularly and report at Jomtien. My partner owns the condo and does the TM30 only. The officer has stated after every border run I need to update the TM30 and can do it within 1 week.  She said only after first arriving to Thailand you need to do it within 24hrs. 

I find it easier to do border runs back to back getting 2 months stamped, then using the annoying 30day stamps which seem to fly by quickly.  Last time I was there a few people were getting fined for not reporting earlier.

 

 

[JackThompson]

59 minutes ago, jojothai said:

How does the landlord know if the OP goes outside the  country and returns needing a TM 30?

When first moving-in, the landlord would know.  I'd say that first time - which requires the TM-30 form - should be the landlord's responsibility.  If you, as landlord, are filling it out and handing it to the renter to deliver, this should be OK in Jomtien, where you are not required to attend.  You could also ask for a login-account at Jomtien, so you could do this electronically - providing your renters with a printout.

 

In the case of the OP, if this had happened, they would have no issues.  If it did not, they might.

 

After the "move in" report, the tenant is on their own since, as you point out, how would you know where they go?  The "leaving and coming back to the same place" scenario doesn't even require filling a new TM-30 form (at Jomtien, anyway). 

 

It's good / better for everyone to inform your renters of this ongoing requirement.  I'd even make them initial next to that clause in the contract and draw special attention to it.  Most renters may have no clue this process even exists, and this will get them started on the right foot - saving you from angry renters who are clueless and get fined. 

[elviajero]

15 hours ago, sustanon said:

yes i am tourist, with a METV before, and a VOA/30days extension now.

 

if my landlord did not make a tm30 for me i cannot be fined? 100% sure?

 

i will make a new 30day extension the 24 december 2017. can i give them the old contract of rent? 

in the tm6 done today in cambodia there is the new address and not the old one.

Immigration have been known to fine the foreigner, but they are on really dodgy ground doing so. Although the immigration act doesn't specifically say so, the report is meant to be by a third party. i.e. A person responsible for the property at the point you turn up. Having foreigners report themselves defeats the purpose of the report.

 

I believe immigration, including Jomtien, are mainly interested in expats reporting their movements rather than tourists. Tourists only seem to come unstuck when applying for an extension of stay when immigration want a TM.30 completed. So, if you are planning to apply for an extension of stay, it is in your interest to make sure your landlord submits one before you apply. That way neither you or your landlord can be fined. Tourists not applying for an extension don't have any reporting liability, or anything to worry about.

[jojothai]

4 hours ago, JackThompson said:

It's good / better for everyone to inform your renters of this ongoing requirement.  I'd even make them initial next to that clause in the contract and draw special attention to it.  Most renters may have no clue this process even exists, and this will get them started on the right foot - saving you from angry renters who are clueless and get fined. 

Agree fully with what you say, thanks.

I don't believe that any tenant should have to be informing me every time they come and go from Thailand.

Nor do I want to have to know every foreigner staying on and off.

 

I did put some effort into making sure the tenants know the requirements.

Spoken personally to them to explain.

I have given them the forms and ID docs. I also gave them a form of Proxy that gives them the power to do the declaration without me being there. See attached.

Jomtien don't seem to be concerned with it, from what I am told they accept the declaration signed by tenant anyway. 

 

 

Power-of-Attorney-Form for TM30.doc

[jojothai]

5 hours ago, JackThompson said:

You could also ask for a login-account at Jomtien, so you could do this electronically - providing your renters with a printout.

One of the Thai landlords I know managed to do online at first but has not been able to do since a year ago.

I have  been told that you cannot do this as an individual,  only if you are a registered business.

However, I believe that the Condo juristic management should be able to register and do this.

They are already required to take a copy of ID, etc. - Shouldnt it be possible for a small fee?

But the condos I ask do not want to get involved. (If they start doing it, they may be held accountable).

 

If anybody has been able to register and do the TM30 online i would be most interested to know how it can be done.

[jojothai]

14 minutes ago, elviajero said:

I believe immigration, including Jomtien, are mainly interested in expats reporting their movements rather than tourists. Tourists only seem to come unstuck when applying for an extension of stay when immigration want a TM.30 completed. So, if you are planning to apply for an extension of stay, it is in your interest to make sure your landlord submits one before you apply. That way neither you or your landlord can be fined. Tourists not applying for an extension don't have any reporting liability, or anything to worry about.

If tourists are staying at registered hotels then they don't have to do anything.

The hotels are required to do so.

Yes the problem can occur when you need an extension, and for longer term expats when they do the 90 day reporting.

 

[zombie nights]

On ‎11‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 2:05 PM, ubonjoe said:

The TM28 form is the correct form but Jomtien immigration along with others want a new TM30 form instead of it.

In reality though both should be submitted. The TM28 form from the individual reporting a change of address and a TM30 form from the landlord.

Yes I can confirm what joe says is correct. Earlier in the year when I changed my address at Jomtien I submitted form TM30 and also form TM28; the latter form was returned to me as the staff at immigration pointed out to me that in their unique procedures (my words) TM30 was in itself sufficient notification so they are treating the submission of form TM28 as not necessary.