Marriage Visa

[sananeamk0715]

Hello everyone,

 

I just search about marriage visa but I don't understand some of visa requirements.

 

1)Husband/Wife's household registration AKA tabian baan(House papers).

Me and my girlfriend stay at condo. So she or me have to be owner of house for marry? If we stay at condo and rent this condo is that not okay? Actually what does it mean?

2)Bankbook in Thailand showing funds of 400,000 Baht or a letter from your embassy showing income of 40,000 Baht per month.

I heard about also possible if you don't have enough that money, every 90 days leave country and wait 5 minutes and back to Thailand. Is that true? So for example every 90 days I go Malaysia wait at Malaysia 5 minutes then back Thailand are they ok with that?

 

3)Copy of your Thai marriage certificate(both versions)

Is that difficult to marry with Thai? I mean me and my girlfriend ok with that but I mean are we just go marriage department and marry? That's all?

 

4)Proof of where you reside with your husband/wife, if you rent you need a copy of ID card and household registration of the owner.

We are stay at condo and it's rent. So we need owner of the condo ID card copy and household registration of the owner. Right?

 

[ubonjoe]

1. It does not have to be a tabien ban for where you are living. Every Thai is registered in one. It only requires a copy of page one and the page your wife is registered.

2. Whether you need to show money in bank or not depends upon where you apply for the multiple entry non-o visa. At the consulate in Savannakhet Laos they don't ask for financial proof.

You can just hop across a border and come right back to get new entry. Some Malaysian crossing may tell you need to stay overnight while crossings to other countries do not.

3. It is normally easy to do the marriage registration at an Amphoe.

The first thing you need is a affirmation of permit to marry from your embassy which for some countries takes awhile to get. Then it has to be translated to Thai and then have it certified by the Department of Consular Affairs.

4. If applying for a non-o visa at an embassy or consulate you do not need proof of where you are living. That is only needed if you are applying for a one year extension of stay at immigration.

[JackThompson]

20 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

1)Husband/Wife's household registration AKA tabian baan(House papers).

Me and my girlfriend stay at condo. So she or me have to be owner of house for marry? If we stay at condo and rent this condo is that not okay? Actually what does it mean?

Just your wife's housebook - does not have to reflect her/your current address.

 

20 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

2)Bankbook in Thailand showing funds of 400,000 Baht or a letter from your embassy showing income of 40,000 Baht per month.

I heard about also possible if you don't have enough that money, every 90 days leave country and wait 5 minutes and back to Thailand. Is that true?

Two different options are mixed here.  For a 1-year "extension of stay based on marriage to a Thai," you must have the money you listed (or pay an agent to fake the money - not recommended).  That allows you to stay in Thailand continuously for a year - and you need to get a "re-entry permit" to leave Thailand and return without cancelling it.

 

If you choose to go to a nearby consulate for a "Non-O Multi-Entry Visa based on marriage to a Thai" - then you get 90-days permitted-stay each time you enter the country.  In Penang you have to show the money for that visa, but in Savanahket, HCMC, and others, you do not.

 

20 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

3)Copy of your Thai marriage certificate(both versions)

Is that difficult to marry with Thai? I mean me and my girlfriend ok with that but I mean are we just go marriage department and marry? That's all?

It is not as easy as it used to be.  I had significant troubles, based on starting off going by older posts on the subject.  The policy varies widely by Amphur.  Best to go with your fiance to the amphur, find out exactly what they need, then go from there.

One post I made on this is here:
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/990341-marraige-amphoe-not-requiring-passport-translated-and-mfa-stamped/?do=findComment&comment=12048871

 

27 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

4)Proof of where you reside with your husband/wife, if you rent you need a copy of ID card and household registration of the owner.

We are stay at condo and it's rent. So we need owner of the condo ID card copy and household registration of the owner. Right?

Depends on the office.  Jomtien requires Landlord's ID, Landlord's house-book, rental-condo house-book, and including the document for the condo which shows it's blueprint.  All that is also needed for a 60-day extension of stay (though no financial-docs for this).  Other offices may not be trying to force those who can't get these docs to an agent, and be more accommodating - especially since they are going to send the police to your residence to verify you actually live there, anyway.

[sananeamk0715]

2)I understand but for example if I apply Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane, Laos but they ask for financial requirements if I can't show it then every 90 days I leave country and back country. Are Thai government ok? And I know Non 0 marriage visa multiple entry 5,000 Baht so when I do go-back every 90 days am I need to pay anything else for visa or something? I mean for my country Malaysia visa-free when I back Thailand need to pay Thai visa or something? Except flight tickets etc.

 

3)And I also heard you need at least 2 friends who accompany to marriage.

 

 

[sananeamk0715]

 

20 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Just your wife's housebook - does not have to reflect her/your current address.

 

Two different options are mixed here.  For a 1-year "extension of stay based on marriage to a Thai," you must have the money you listed (or pay an agent to fake the money - not recommended).  That allows you to stay in Thailand continuously for a year - and you need to get a "re-entry permit" to leave Thailand and return without cancelling it.

 

If you choose to go to a nearby consulate for a "Non-O Multi-Entry Visa based on marriage to a Thai" - then you get 90-days permitted-stay each time you enter the country.  In Penang you have to show the money for that visa, but in Savanahket, HCMC, and others, you do not.

 

It is not as easy as it used to be.  I had significant troubles, based on starting off going by older posts on the subject.  The policy varies widely by Amphur.  Best to go with your fiance to the amphur, find out exactly what they need, then go from there.

One post I made on this is here:
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/990341-marraige-amphoe-not-requiring-passport-translated-and-mfa-stamped/?do=findComment&comment=12048871

 

Depends on the office.  Jomtien requires Landlord's ID, Landlord's house-book, rental-condo house-book, and including the document for the condo which shows it's blueprint.  All that is also needed for a 60-day extension of stay (though no financial-docs for this).  Other offices may not be trying to force those who can't get these docs to an agent, and be more accommodating - especially since they are going to send the police to your residence to verify you actually live there, anyway.

 

2)I heard about that also you pay some money to agency they show this money in your account instead you. But why not recommend?

 

So if not show money they allow you actually stay 90 days, not 1 year. But you can leave back country every 90 days and can stay longer also. Only different between show financial requirements can stay 1 year and after 1 year can extend again 1 year but no need leave back country every 90 days.

 

If you not show financial requirements you have go back every 90 days. Am I right? But with this way Thai government ok right? It's not illegal right? 

 

Also when you cross border and back Thailand every 90 days need to pay something? Except flight tickets.

[lopburi3]

6 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

2)I understand but for example if I apply Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane, Laos but they ask for financial requirements if I can't show it then every 90 days I leave country and back country. Are Thai government ok? And I know Non 0 marriage visa multiple entry 5,000 Baht so when I do go-back every 90 days am I need to pay anything else for visa or something? I mean for my country Malaysia visa-free when I back Thailand need to pay Thai visa or something? Except flight tickets etc.

((you have to meet the requirements to obtain a multi entry non immigrant O visa to enter every 90 days - you do not just cross border and return without a visa for a new 90 day stay.  But once you have visa there is no extra charge using it other than normal travel expense.))

3)And I also heard you need at least 2 friends who accompany to marriage.

((you need two to sign a witness - in many cases you can find someone in office or waiting to do so if you do not bring - but most will also require that you speak Thai and if not that someone act as an unofficial translator for the paper they make in Thai that you must sign.))

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

2)I understand but for example if I apply Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane, Laos but they ask for financial requirements if I can't show it then every 90 days I leave country and back country. Are Thai government ok? And I know Non 0 marriage visa multiple entry 5,000 Baht so when I do go-back every 90 days am I need to pay anything else for visa or something? I mean for my country Malaysia visa-free when I back Thailand need to pay Thai visa or something? Except flight tickets etc.

 

3)And I also heard you need at least 2 friends who accompany to marriage.

 

 

2. You will only get a single entry non-o visa in Vientiane. Only Savannakhet does the multiple entry non-o based upon marriage and they do not asked for financial proof.

You do not need to pay anything for entry to Thailand.  When entering Laos or Cambodia you have to get a visa on arrival. Myanmar you pay 500 baht for a border pass.

3. You need 2 witnesses. They don't have to know you. They just sign the form as witnesses of your signatures.

[sananeamk0715]

23 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

 

2)So you mean every 90 days I have to make new Non 0 marriage visa? So ever 90 days pay 5000 Baht?

[sananeamk0715]

24 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

2. You will only get a single entry non-o visa in Vientiane. Only Savannakhet does the multiple entry non-o based upon marriage and they do not asked for financial proof.

You do not need to pay anything for entry to Thailand.  When entering Laos or Cambodia you have to get a visa on arrival. Myanmar you pay 500 baht for a border pass.

3. You need 2 witnesses. They don't have to know you. They just sign the form as witnesses of your signatures.

I got it. So I can't get multiple entry Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane Laos because I can't show financial proof. Only can get single entry Non 0 marriage visa for 90 days. Every 90 days go again and pay 5000 Baht and do some things from consulate.

 

But from Savannakhet Laos can get multiple entry Non 0 marriage visa but every 90 days border cross.

 

Am I right?

[ubonjoe]

12 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

I got it. So I can't get multiple entry Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane Laos because I can't show financial proof. Only can get single entry Non 0 marriage visa for 90 days. Every 90 days go again and pay 5000 Baht and do some things from consulate

It has nothing to do with financial proof. Vientiane does not issue any multiple entry visas.

The fee for a single entry non-o visa is 2000 baht.

12 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

But from Savannakhet Laos can get multiple entry Non 0 marriage visa but every 90 days border cross.

That is correct.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, sananeamk0715 said:

2)I heard about that also you pay some money to agency they show this money in your account instead you. But why not recommend?

The agent-offers are for an "extension of stay" from a local immigration office.  I don't recommend it, because this violates the rules for obtaining that "extension of stay".  Something probably illegal is going on to make this possible, and I would suggest not playing a part in that.

 

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So if not show money they allow you actually stay 90 days, not 1 year. But you can leave back country every 90 days and can stay longer also. Only different between show financial requirements can stay 1 year and after 1 year can extend again 1 year but no need leave back country every 90 days.

If you show the money, and meet the other requirements as set by your local immigration office in Thailand, they will issue a 1-year "extension-of-stay" (not a Visa), which allows you to stay a full year without a border-run.

 

The 90-day stays would be obtained from entering with a Non-O "Visa" (not extension of stay), obtained at a consulate outside of Thailand.

 

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If you not show financial requirements you have go back every 90 days. Am I right? But with this way Thai government ok right? It's not illegal right? 

If you get Non-O "Visa", you only get 90-days permission-of-stay every time you enter.  It does not matter what the consulate where you obtained your Visa requires (financial proof or not) to issue the visa.

 

There is nothing illegal with a Valid Visa to enter Thailand, provided you obey the rules/conditions of that visa (not overstaying, not working without a work-permit, etc). 

The only location for entering Thailand that doesn't like people leaving and re-entering on Non-O Visas is the Poipet/Aranyaprathet crossing, which should generally be avoided.  (Edit: some older reports indicated a possible issue at Raynong with bribes requested - not sure if this is still the case.)

 

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Also when you cross border and back Thailand every 90 days need to pay something? Except flight tickets.

Thai Immigration will not charge anything for entering the country with a Non-O Visa.

But, because you must leave and enter another country before returning to Thailand, that other country may charge you for a VOA, etc.

[MaeJoMTB]

1 hour ago, sananeamk0715 said:

2)I understand but for example if I apply Non 0 marriage visa from Vientiane, Laos but they ask for financial requirements if I can't show it then every 90 days I leave country and back country. Are Thai government ok? And I know Non 0 marriage visa multiple entry 5,000 Baht so when I do go-back every 90 days am I need to pay anything else for visa or something? I mean for my country Malaysia visa-free when I back Thailand need to pay Thai visa or something? Except flight tickets etc.

 

3)And I also heard you need at least 2 friends who accompany to marriage.

 

 

Suvannakhet Thai Consulate in Laos have no financial requirements, apart from the 5,000bht marriage VISA fee.

VISA lasts 15 months (5x 90 days).

[sananeamk0715]

20 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The agent-offers are for an "extension of stay" from a local immigration office.  I don't recommend it, because this violates the rules for obtaining that "extension of stay".  Something probably illegal is going on to make this possible, and I would suggest not playing a part in that.

 

If you show the money, and meet the other requirements as set by your local immigration office in Thailand, they will issue a 1-year "extension-of-stay" (not a Visa), which allows you to stay a full year without a border-run.

 

The 90-day stays would be obtained from entering with a Non-O "Visa" (not extension of stay), obtained at a consulate outside of Thailand.

 

If you get Non-O "Visa", you only get 90-days permission-of-stay every time you enter.  It does not matter what the consulate where you obtained your Visa requires (financial proof or not) to issue the visa.

 

There is nothing illegal with a Valid Visa to enter Thailand, provided you obey the rules/conditions of that visa (not overstaying, not working without a work-permit, etc). 

The only location for entering Thailand that doesn't like people leaving and re-entering on Non-O Visas is the Poipet/Aranyaprathet crossing, which should generally be avoided.  (Edit: some older reports indicated a possible issue at Raynong with bribes requested - not sure if this is still the case.)

 

Thai Immigration will not charge anything for entering the country with a Non-O Visa.

But, because you must leave and enter another country before returning to Thailand, that other country may charge you for a VOA, etc.

Okay I understand everything now.

[sananeamk0715]

8 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

Suvannakhet Thai Consulate in Laos have no financial requirements, apart from the 5,000bht marriage VISA fee.

VISA lasts 15 months (5x 90 days).

What do you mean about "VISA lasts 15 months (5x 90 days)." I thought Non 0 marriage visa only 90 days and every 90 days border crossing?

[JackThompson]

4 minutes ago, sananeamk0715 said:

What do you mean about "VISA lasts 15 months (5x 90 days)." I thought Non 0 marriage visa only 90 days and every 90 days border crossing?

The "enter before" date on the visa is the date the visa expires - cannot be used to enter any more.

The "enter before" date will be 1-year after the day you applied for the visa.

 

If you enter just before your visa expires - a year after it was issued - you get a 90-day entry upon that entry (same as all entries).  So approximately 1-year + 90-days from it is possible.

[sananeamk0715]

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The "enter before" date on the visa is the date the visa expires - cannot be used to enter any more.

The "enter before" date will be 1-year after the day you applied for the visa.

 

If you enter just before your visa expires - a year after it was issued - you get a 90-day entry upon that entry (same as all entries).  So approximately 1-year + 90-days from it is possible.

I see not for me I guess lol

[sananeamk0715]

6 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The "enter before" date on the visa is the date the visa expires - cannot be used to enter any more.

The "enter before" date will be 1-year after the day you applied for the visa.

 

If you enter just before your visa expires - a year after it was issued - you get a 90-day entry upon that entry (same as all entries).  So approximately 1-year + 90-days from it is possible.

By the way for example some countries allow that you can get citizenship after marry 5 year etc. it's not possible for Thailand right?

[Phuket Man]

Just now, sananeamk0715 said:

By the way for example some countries allow that you can get citizenship after marry 5 year etc. it's not possible for Thailand right?

Correct.

You need a stack of stuff including work permit and a record of paying income tax in Thailand.

[ttkeric]

Hi sananeamk0715.  Fellow Malaysian? 

 

1) Her house book / tabien baan is something you will both need to use a lot.  If she don't or can't hold onto it (it's kept at the family home, for example) at least have copies of it with you. You'll both need it for many things like applying for visa and marriage certificates. Your rental agreement will work but some places may be a bit fussy about where your wife is really from. Besides, she'll need it for a lot of her Thai affairs. 

 

2) Don't believe anyone offering you an "easy" visa. All the posters here have given you a lot of true and useful information. Really, you should get a 90 day from KL / Penang and if your situation allows it, get a 1 year extension based on marriage. I'm married but I used to apply for a 90 days Non "O' at KL every time because it gives me a good excuse to return to KL for a couple of days, and it's free. Ha ha. I just needed to have copies of my marriage cert, passport, wife's ID and tabian baan, and I just hand them a copy of my Thai bank book. No problem every time.  We have had kids since, so I prefer to remain in Thailand for longer periods now.

 

You could apply for a tourist visa (60 days per entry). Free for Malaysians. I don't know how flexible they are with it. I often have my parents over and I'd just get my wife to draft a simple invitation letter in Thai. No problems so far.

 

3) This one is a bit more trouble as some have said. I chose to be registered in Thailand first, then Malaysia second. If  you're following me, you'll need 

- Certificate of eligibility to marry. You'll need to get yours in Malaysia.

- Have certificate certified by Malaysia Ministry of Foreign affairs. 

- While you're there, have your birth certificate copied and certificate as well.

- Get them translated into Thai.

- THEN get them (the translated copies) certified by the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 

 

Registering the marriage was quite straightforward here in Chiang Mai. Yes, just a couple of witness. I forgot but I'm sure they needed copies of my passport, birth certificates, passport photos etc. 

 

I had a bit of problem registering on the Malaysian side. My wife doesn't have her birth certificate. She has her ID card which should prove she's a Thai but anyway, Putrajaya wouldn't accept it but the Malaysian embassy in Bangkok did. It will take 3 days to process, so we hung out in Bangkok. 

 

Regardless, whichever country you registered first you'll still need to do the second within a year, otherwise there will be fines.    

 

4) Yes, again, your wife's house book or rental certificate is a very important document. In some cases, you'll need a Certificate of Residence which you can get from your nearest immigration. It's "free" but *ahem* processing fees apply. 

 

Once you have your own house, try to get a Yellow Book if you're staying here long. It will help a lot. 

[wallju]

19 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

3. You need 2 witnesses. They don't have to know you. They just sign the form as witnesses of your signatures.

Bangkok Bangrak required 2 witness from us and at least another one had to be family member,at our case my wifes mother and friend came to witness our marriage.

 

First we tried to use another couple as witness but officer didnt accept that,we had to made appoitment at next week and bring our witnesses with us.

So it took 2 visits at Bangkrak to get marriage docs,checking all the papers and witnesses took about 90 minutes and finally we had marriage certificates.Wasnt easy for us.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, wallju said:

Bangkok Bangrak required 2 witness from us and at least another one had to be family member,at our case my wifes mother and friend came to witness our marriage.

Sounds like a Amphoe or Khet making up their own rules.

When we registered our marriage our 2 witnesses were people waiting to be served at the Amphoe.

[MaeJoMTB]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

Sounds like a Amphoe or Khet making up their own rules.

When we registered our marriage our 2 witnesses were people waiting to be served at the Amphoe.

Two of the office staff witnessed for us.

[ubonjoe]

A off topic inflammatory post has been removed.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, wallju said:

Bangkok Bangrak required 2 witness from us and at least another one had to be family member,at our case my wifes mother and friend came to witness our marriage.

 

First we tried to use another couple as witness but officer didnt accept that,we had to made appoitment at next week and bring our witnesses with us.

So it took 2 visits at Bangkrak to get marriage docs,checking all the papers and witnesses took about 90 minutes and finally we had marriage certificates.Wasnt easy for us.

My experience - I learned that Bang Rak is no longer the 'farang friendly' amphoe it used to be - as with many others.  We would have had to fly in a family member from the other side of Thailand to get married at Bang Rak. 

 

All the "no problem - easy" stories are no longer reflective of reality - the winds have changed direction.  But glad you were able to get is sorted.

[wallju]

1 hour ago, JackThompson said:

My experience - I learned that Bang Rak is no longer the 'farang friendly' amphoe it used to be - as with many others.  We would have had to fly in a family member from the other side of Thailand to get married at Bang Rak. 

 

All the "no problem - easy" stories are no longer reflective of reality - the winds have changed direction.  But glad you were able to get is sorted.

I read before from reviews that Bangrak is easiest to farangs but apparently not any more,thats why we went to that amphoe.

Officer at front desk was rude and didnt accept our witnesses. Another couple already signed our papers as witnesses but officer just told that we need to bring family members if we want to have queue number.

 

[BEVUP]

Just want to throw this in as I dont think there is such a thing

OK - Is there such a thing as a NON "O" Multi Marriage Extension, that would let you leave/return when required & if not prior to 90 days then you would have to do a report

Or Is it only an extension of one full year requiring Re-entry permits & also the 90 day reports

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

OK - Is there such a thing as a NON "O" Multi Marriage Extension, that would let you leave/return when required & if not prior to 90 days then you would have to do a report

There is no such visa/extension for any reason.

4 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

Or Is it only an extension of one full year requiring Re-entry permits & also the 90 day reports

That is the only extension of stay possible.

With a multiple re-entry permit you could leave and re-enter as often you wanted to. If you never stayed more than 90 days you would not need to do 90 day reports.

[MaeJoMTB]

17 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

Just want to throw this in as I dont think there is such a thing

OK - Is there such a thing as a NON "O" Multi Marriage Extension, that would let you leave/return when required

There is a 90 day multi entry O marriage VISA available from Suvannaket Thai consulate in Laos lasting 1 year.

5,000bht, no income or savings required. Can come in and out for 1 year, then a final entry on the last day for another 90 days.

 

Works for me.