E-cigarettes are hazardous to health: Disease Control Department

[webfact]

E-cigarettes are hazardous to health: Disease Control Department

By Thai PBS

 

 

The Public Health Ministry’s Disease Control Department has insisted that electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, are hazardous to health and should not be used as a means to quit smoking, said Dr Assadang Ruay-archin, deputy director-general of the department.

 

Dr Assadang, also the department spokesman, also dismissed as untrue a report that the Public Health Ministry had distorted an analysis about safety risks, toxic substances and heavy metal in e-cigarettes.

 

The Disease Control Department still insists that e-cigarettes are hazardous to health because people who use e-cigarettes can still get nicotine, the addictive substance contained in ordinary cigarettes. Therefore, people who smoke e-cigarettes can be addicted to nicotine, similarly to the way they are addicted to it from smoking ordinary tobacco-based cigarettes, Dr Assadang said.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/e-cigarettes-hazardous-health-disease-control-department/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-12-18

[canuckamuck]

But go ahead and smoke tobacco.

[Thaiwrath]

3 minutes ago, webfact said:

are hazardous to health and should not be used as a means to quit smoking,

So keep smoking the cigarettes manufactured by the Thai Tobacco Monopoly, who make millions of baht for themselves, and the 'powers that be'. 

[Chang_paarp]

This seems to be contrary to a lot of opinion. I wonder what scientific peer reviewed papers can substantiate that view.

 

 

[stephen tracy]

"Moreover, many reports say that more youths who start the smoking habit with e-cigarettes tend to become addicted to ordinary cigarettes than those who do not begin with e-cigarettes." Not condoning one or the other but that's BS.

[Enoon]

 

I believe this "spokesman" is what the Americans call a "shill".

 

 

[Misterwhisper]

16 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said:

So keep smoking the cigarettes manufactured by the Thai Tobacco Monopoly, who make millions of baht for themselves, and the 'powers that be'. 

...and which of course are completely healthy - especially for the constantly depleted state coffers.

[Enoon]

16 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

"Moreover, many reports say that more youths who start the smoking habit with e-cigarettes tend to become addicted to ordinary cigarettes than those who do not begin with e-cigarettes." Not condoning one or the other but that's BS.

 

Not just any BS.

 

100%, Grade A, hand rolled BS:

 

https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/promote-e-cigarettes-widely-substitute-smoking-says-new-rcp-report

 

 

 

[PatOngo]

Please pass the healthy Krong Thip.

[Jap Pumkin]

I think this video shows Dr Assadang  talking through his ass again.

 

 

 

[Misterwhisper]

Why for some reason do I have a hunch that Dr. Assadang's strange assessment and reasoning might have something to do with the Tobacco Monopoly's constant whining about plummeting cigarette sales and thus revenue losses?

 

 http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/ttm-cries-foul-unfair-excise-tax-local-cigarettes/

 

They don't want e-smoking devices here because it would further erode the excise tax base for conventional cigarettes. While heat-not-burn and other next generation devices are taking off like a rocket in (developed) Asian countries like Japan and South Korea, Thailand obviously intends to continue poisoning her population with combustible tobacco products - because that keeps the buck rolling.

 

And all that hypocritical talk about "we must lower smoker numbers" is mere window dressing on the background that the Tobacco Monopoly has in the past frequently introduced new and cheaper cigarette brands so that - I am paraphrasing what has been reported in the press - "poorer people also can still afford to smoke".

[Jap Pumkin]

Here is a better video on E Cigs. A heart Surgeon in Canada

has opened his own vape shop.

 

 

[Golden Triangle]

I don't have to worry too much, my pet Beagle does all my smoking for me, I just enjoy the 2nd hand smoke 

[gunderhill]

"E-cigarettes are hazardous to health: Disease Control Department"

 

But not as dangerous as driving to the shops to get one, where on sale.

[mommysboy]

Most countries associated with progressive health policies strongly disagree.  All reputable studies point to ecigs being considerably safer than cigarettes, and the practice may be completely safe.

 

Those residual countries like Thailand that insist otherwise cite a fallacious lab study which deliberately over-heated test liquid to produce high levels of formaldehyde.  Anything burnt to a cinder has toxins.  In reality, vapour burnt too hot is impossible to ingest as it produces a violent coughing fit. 

 

Nicotine use can raise blood pressure in susceptible people, however, overall even smokers can have have lower blood pressure as they tend to be less overweight than non smokers, because nicotine suppresses appetite.

 

Nearly all western countries allow ecigs.  The UK even promotes their use over cigarettes, and has regulated liquids and equipment.  There is even a medical license which should end all petty argument.

 

Whatever is motivating the Thai authorities, it can not be justified on safety grounds, particularly when compared to cigarettes.

[mommysboy]

14 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

https://www.healthline.com/health/does-nicotine-cause-cancer

 

• In small doses, nicotine speeds up cell growth. In larger doses, it’s poisonous to cells.
• Nicotine kick-starts a process called epithelial-mesenchymal transition (EMT). EMT is one of the important steps in the path toward malignant cell growth.
• Nicotine decreases the tumor suppressor CHK2. This may allow nicotine to overcome one of the body’s natural defenses against cancer.
• Nicotine can abnormally speed up the growth of new cells. This has been shown in tumor cells in the breast, colon, and lung.
• Nicotine can lower the effectiveness of cancer treatment.

Nicotine has been ingested for a long time.  Although it can raise blood pressure, it is not the chemical that is responsible for most cancers.  The conclusion is that nicotine in the doses experienced by smokers is not carcinogenic. 

[Ricardo]

I'm a non-smoker these days, but I know which one I'd rather inhale, if I had to.

 

But I'm probably a dangerous pinko subversive, with silly ideas about customer choice, unlike the TTM.

 

Perhaps its time for them to switch to production of horse-buggy whips, or gas-mantles for lighting homes, and join the 19th Century ?  

[Chris Lawrence]

"Public Health England, an agency of Britain’s Department of Health, issued a 111-page report on electronic cigarettes that carefully addressed every significant concern that has ever been raised about these products.

 

And based on the available information, PHE concluded electronic-cigarette use is likely to be around 95 percent less harmful to health than smoking.

PHE is the first public body to declare its support for e-cigarettes. PHE declares its ambition to achieve a tobacco-free generation by 2025, and it believes that “e-cigarettes have the potential to make a significant contribution to the endgame for tobacco.” I share their ambition and believe that many of my colleagues in public health do as well — as do many in the private sector." New York Post article September 2015.

Has anything changed to show that this product is not an option to help smokers quit? The article also said although nicotine may be used the e-cigarette delivery lacks many of the carcinogenic agents found in cigarettes.

[nisakiman]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Nicotine has been ingested for a long time.  Although it can raise blood pressure, it is not the chemical that is responsible for most cancers.  The conclusion is that nicotine in the doses experienced by smokers is not carcinogenic. 

Not only that, but nicotine is present in vegetables of the nightshade group - tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes etc. In fact, nicotinic acid is an essential part of our diet - without it, we suffer from pellagra - and is used as an additive in many foods. They renamed it because they thought 'nicotinic acid' had negative connotations, so we now know it as 'Niacin'.

[coulson]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The Disease Control Department still insists that e-cigarettes are hazardous to health because people who use e-cigarettes can still get nicotine

....(without the monopoly getting the money)

[pistachios]

This doctor's lies and disinformation will be directly responsible for the death of hundreds if not thousands of his fellow countrymen.  I hope he can sleep well at night. 

[masuk]

4 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

I believe this "spokesman" is what the Americans call a "shill".

 

 

"SHILL" is Hindi.   At a guess, I'd say it became part of the Romany language (gypsies) and ended up in fairgrounds.  The meaning is the same =  A Decoy Who Acts As An Enthusiastic Customer In Order To Stimulate The Participation Of Others.

[sammieuk1]

Looking like the easily identifiable time the uneleticted starts losing the grip with more and more ill throughout laws and statements on a daily basis like this one that totally flies in the face of studies worldwide even the UK says vaping it's 95% safer than cigarettes so where is this "doctor" getting his facts from North Korea?  

[wvavin]

I am not a fan of e-cigarettes but in my opinion, Thai driving is 100 times more dangerous!

[wirat69]

Since they are tobacco free, e-cigs are currently unregulated in the United States but that may change. Already cities like Boston, Chicago,New York, and most recently Los Angeles have restricted their use. And Utah, New Jersey and North Dakota have banned their usewherever smoking is prohibited. Other states and localities including Minnesota and Oregon are considering restrictions as well.

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[bananafish]

[thescot]

How many people jump off buildings or crash cars due to drink or drugs when compared to e-cigarettes.
Proven to be 95%+ more safe than real cigarettes but real doctors.

[outsider]

So are bumbling politicians and brown clowns.

[eddie61]

6 hours ago, Chang_paarp said:

This seems to be contrary to a lot of opinion. I wonder what scientific peer reviewed papers can substantiate that view.

 

 

Scientific peer reviewed??????

 

This is Thighland

[Media1]

Just the fact that it's a Thai board assured me that it's actually ok to smoke the E. LOL.

Keep taxing those cigarettes boys. Oh how is the government manufacturing of there own brands going lol.