4 fishing crew drown in boat collision in Chon Buri

By THE SUNDAY NATION

 

 

FOUR CREW members of a Thai fishing boat drowned after it was hit and sunk by a Pakistani cargo ship yesterday morning, according to naval and harbour officers.

 

They alleged that the ship, which was registered in Hyderabad, Pakistan, did not stop to help the crew of the sinking boat but instead continued to its destination off Koh Sichang and was anchored there at 7am.

 

Rear Admiral Banchob Phodaeng, commander of the First Naval Area, dispatched a renaissance plane, a helicopter and a patrol ship to the scene of the accident off Sattahib coast in Chon Buri once he was informed of the accident.

 

The Thai fishing boat was identified as Choke Chuchai. Its precise location when it was hit was latitude 12.3.28 north and longtitude 101.12.10 east, about 38 nautical miles from the Sattahib coast.

 

Lucky rescue

 

The crew contained five Cambodians and three Thais.

 

Another fishing boat, Suwit Kan Pramong, which happened to be nearby, managed to save one of the Thais and three Cambodians but the other four vanished.

 

At 12:30pm, the 995 patrol boat of the Navy spotted the bodies of the missing crew and plucked them out of water. Two of them were Thais identified as Rod Supprasert, 58, Pranom Rungruang, 41, and two others Cambodians identified as Wang Soi, 24, and Ko, 39.

 

Pattaya Harbour officials and the Marine Traffic and Safety Monitoring Centre of the Navy later located the cargo ship that had hit the fishing boat.

 

Officials said the boat was shipping coal from Indonesia and left Rayong in the morning.

 

Officials inspected the ship and found a clear trace that it had hit something at its bow.

 

The Thai fishing boat owner had filed a complaint with Map Taphut police in Rayong.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30335578

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-01-07

22 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

managed to save one of the Thais and three Cambodians but the other four vanished.

Yes, it´s nice to hear when people get saved. Regarding the other four, they could probably not swim. Without life jacket, they have nothing to do on a fishing boat.
 

 

22 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

the ship, which was registered in Hyderabad, Pakistan, did not stop to help the crew of the sinking boat

A perfect concept of humanity and moral. They just kept on and let them die. Put´em in jail forever!

Edited January 6, 20188 yr by Get Real

Many of these big ships are on auto pilot with nobody on the bridge. It is possible they did not even know they had hit a smaller boat  

I am going to guess that the Thai fishing boat was not equipped with AIS.

8 hours ago, Get Real said:

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

managed to save one of the Thais and three Cambodians but the other four vanished.

Yes, it´s nice to hear when people get saved. Regarding the other four, they could probably not swim. Without life jacket, they have nothing to do on a fishing boat.
 

 

 

"safety first"

There are some anomalies to this story.

1. The accident occurred during the early hours of Saturday morning.

2.This is very likely the vessel that the fishing boat was in collision with.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:678357/mmsi:463042101/imo:9278789/vessel:HYDERABAD

3. She is presently lying at anchor off Koh Si Chang :

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:678357/zoom:14

At 52,000 tons DW, it is unlikely the crew of the bulker even felt the impact of the fishing vessel when hit..

I do not have any idea of the sailing time for a vessel of this size to move from Sattahip to the Laem Chabang anchorages, but must be well over an hour if not two or more?

4. Many Thai fishing vessels are poorly lit and crewed.

5. The co-ordinates given are due south of Rayong port.

 

"Rear Admiral Banchob Phodaeng, commander of the First Naval Area, dispatched a renaissance plane,

(reconnaissance)

Hopefully more modern than a Leonardo Da Vinci design.

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=da+vinci+airplane&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=lP0z0iLxD1CLjM%3A%2CCJnB-UV9F6qatM%2C_&usg=__a_7p62YDEu_dbppP47Fj-Mh7oEY%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiwjtjXq8XYAhXKtI8KHcRtBsAQ9QEINTAB#imgrc=CRS82EP3ZHKTSM:

 

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by ratcatcher

 

They probably didn't know they had hit anything if it was a Cargo/container ship and a small fishing vessel with a 7 man crew.

 

As mentioned life jackets would have saved lives 

 

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by Dave67

Obviously the people running this ship are incompetent! They have radars, boats show up in radars whether there are lights on or not. There is no excuse for running down another vessel in day time or at night!

 

Throw away the key

1 hour ago, 300sd said:

Obviously the people running this ship are incompetent! They have radars, boats show up in radars whether there are lights on or not. There is no excuse for running down another vessel in day time or at night!

 

Throw away the key

Mmm... no excuse... and yet it happens all the time, even between US warships

 

please please.... do not throw away the key.... or at least first establish who was in the wrong, because in general, the cargo ship has right of way.... perhaps not herein... but worth a thought prior to tossing the key.

 

incompetence is not a crime in Thailand, unless your name is yingluck.

(eg.... toadally incompetent transport department officials, killing killing killing with impunity)

Who had right of way? neither vessel as they were both under power? so how to blame the larger vessel, who as previously stated probably never know he had hit anyone as there was no one on the bridge!!!

More and more companies are putting low paid mariners on there ships, you pay peanuts you get monkeys!

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by CGW

7 hours ago, johncat1 said:

Many of these big ships are on auto pilot with nobody on the bridge. It is possible they did not even know they had hit a smaller boat  

dead right . 

they wouldnt even have felt it . 

 

8 minutes ago, CGW said:

Who had right of way? neither vessel as they were both under power? so how to blame the larger vessel, who as previously stated probably never know he had hit anyone as there was no one on the bridge.

More and more companies are putting low paid mariners on there ships, you pay peanuts you get monkeys!

".... there was no one on the bridge."

How do you know that?  the bulk carrier had just left Rayong Port and was underway to Laem Chabang.

the fishing vessel was struck by the ship's bow and was sunk. the small vessel may have been underway or just fishing..Regardless, the bridge of the bulker is hundreds of feet away from the bow.

   MV Hyderabad

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by ratcatcher

Given that the area is a well known area for fishing fleets the cargo ship should   have had a bridge lookout at the very least and given they were in close proximity to land there should have been an officer on watch! 

4 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

There are some anomalies to this story.

1. The accident occurred during the early hours of Saturday morning.

2.This is very likely the vessel that the fishing boat was in collision with.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:678357/mmsi:463042101/imo:9278789/vessel:HYDERABAD

3. She is presently lying at anchor off Koh Si Chang :

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:678357/zoom:14

At 52,000 tons DW, it is unlikely the crew of the bulker even felt the impact of the fishing vessel when hit..

I do not have any idea of the sailing time for a vessel of this size to move from Sattahip to the Laem Chabang anchorages, but must be well over an hour if not two or more?

4. Many Thai fishing vessels are poorly lit and crewed.

5. The co-ordinates given are due south of Rayong port.

 

 

 

You didn't list any, so what are the "anomalies" that you see?

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by Just Weird

6 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

You didn't list any, so what are the "anomalies" that you see?

Bad choice of word. Errors or omissions would have been better.

The vessel is not registered in Hyderabad.

At 30,000 tons and 188m long, she never felt the bump as the fishing vessel collided.

Why would the ship turn back if the crew were unaware of a collision.

There is no reported time of the accident.

OK?

30 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Bad choice of word. Errors or omissions would have been better.

The vessel is not registered in Hyderabad.

At 30,000 tons and 188m long, she never felt the bump as the fishing vessel collided.

Why would the ship turn back if the crew were unaware of a collision.

There is no reported time of the accident.

OK?

The vessel is not registered in Hyderabad.

At 30,000 tons and 188m long, she never felt the bump as the fishing vessel collided.

Why would the ship turn back if the crew were unaware of a collision.

There is no reported time of the accident.

 

Why address that to me with an indignant 'ok?' at the end.  I made no comment about anything that you quoted there, I just asked what you thought that the  anomalies were in your list of no anomolies.  OK?

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by Just Weird

Just now, Just Weird said:

The vessel is not registered in Hyderabad.

At 30,000 tons and 188m long, she never felt the bump as the fishing vessel collided.

Why would the ship turn back if the crew were unaware of a collision.

There is no reported time of the accident.

 

Why address that to me with an indignant 'ok?' at the end.  I made no comment about anything that you quoted there, I just asked what you thought that the  anomalies were in you list of no anomolies.  OK?

OK!

Quote

1 hour ago, farcanell said:

Mmm... no excuse... and yet it happens all the time, even between US warships

 

please please.... do not throw away the key.... or at least first establish who was in the wrong, because in general, the cargo ship has right of way.... perhaps not herein... but worth a thought prior to tossing the key.

 

incompetence is not a crime in Thailand, unless your name is yingluck.

(eg.... toadally incompetent transport department officials, killing killing killing with impunity)

 

Ok don't throw away the key.

 

This freighter crew is incompetent. (so were the US crews) It does not matter who's fault it was, vessels avoid collisions, at sea, at all costs. These people running this ship were obviously not paying attention or there would have been no collision. If the fishing vessel was anchored, or fishing with gear in the water then the freighter needs to avoid it, in which case the fishing vessel would have right of way. If the freighter is overtaking then the freighter avoids a collision. They do go a little faster!  

 

This is just my common sense speaking here so I may be very wrong. But I did spend almost half my life at sea fishing in freighter lanes. Fish boats do not try to take a right of way from a freighter, the freighter will always win. 

 

Your last paragraph, has nothing to do with this topic so I'll pass on that one.

 

 

2 hours ago, 300sd said:

This is just my common sense speaking here so I may be very wrong. But I did spend almost half my life at sea fishing in freighter lanes. Fish boats do not try to take a right of way from a freighter, the freighter will always win. 

Check

freighter 1.... fishing boat 0

 

my post speaks to the fact that there may be circumstance involved that warranted consideration (ie... who had right of way???) before the hanging judge condemns people and throws away the key

 

If negligence is proved... sure... thai law has punishments for that, and I do recall something about a Thai skipper killing his passengers with neglect... so they do have penalties in place, but I’m thinking that you’ll be disappointed by there leniency. 

10 hours ago, johncat1 said:

Many of these big ships are on auto pilot with nobody on the bridge. It is possible they did not even know they had hit a smaller boat  

I just can not imagine the did not feel the ship hit the fishing boat, probably by the time anyone of them got on deck they had traveled to far to see what they hit.

27 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Check

freighter 1.... fishing boat 0

 

my post speaks to the fact that there may be circumstance involved that warranted consideration (ie... who had right of way???) before the hanging judge condemns people and throws away the key

 

If negligence is proved... sure... thai law has punishments for that, and I do recall something about a Thai skipper killing his passengers with neglect... so they do have penalties in place, but I’m thinking that you’ll be disappointed by there leniency. 

Yes there are circumstance to consider, the big ship had right of way, but there again if the fishing boat was not under power at the time maybe not,  and was it day light at the time and what navigation lights did each vessel have? the accident may have been unavoidable by the big ship, but did the lookouts not spot the fishing boat? if not why not? if they did what action did they take? 

 

Most importantly how come they did not know they hit the fishing boat???

Well, despite being in 2018, with every kind of technology available at reasonable prices, still s***  happens.

RIP to the poor guys who lost their lives.

13 hours ago, johncat1 said:

Many of these big ships are on auto pilot with nobody on the bridge. It is possible they did not even know they had hit a smaller boat  

Rubbish...... There is always someone on watch. 

188 metres and only 30,000 tons...... Something doesn't sound right here. 

 

600 foot ship And presumably 30,000 ton dwt? I would have thought a lot more..... But it has been many years since I was involved in ships. 

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by tryasimight

20 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Rubbish...... There is always someone on watch. 

then can you explain how this accident happened and they did not see the fishing boat...

1 minute ago, Basil B said:

then can you explain how this accident happened and they did not see the fishing boat...

They didn't see it. 

1 minute ago, tryasimight said:

They didn't see it. 

Sorry it was not a small rowing boat...

 

even if it was foggy they should have seen it on there radar...

6 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Sorry it was not a small rowing boat...

 

even if it was foggy they should have seen it on there radar...

Should have... But as it turned out didn't or did but didn't care. The captain of the coal carrier should be arrested .

8 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Should have... But as it turned out didn't or did but didn't care. The captain of the coal carrier should be arrested .

Can not agree more...

 

At least the owners of the fishing boat and families of the deceased should be well compensated if the Thai impound the ship, should get at least 4,000B per ton scrap value... (at 30,000 tons that a hell of a lot of money).

Edited January 7, 20188 yr by Basil B

8 hours ago, tryasimight said:

188 metres and only 30,000 tons...... Something doesn't sound right here. 

 

600 foot ship And presumably 30,000 ton dwt? I would have thought a lot more..... But it has been many years since I was involved in ships. 

The MV Hyderabad is nearly 30,000 tons Gross wt. Her Dead Wt is 53,000 tons. She was in ballast at the time of impact.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:678357/mmsi:463042101/imo:9278789/vessel:HYDERABAD

 

This ship hitting a 40' fishing vessel would be akin to a train hitting a small car car, except in this case the crew would be hundreds of feet away on the bridge far from the impact. 

A sad event for the drowned men's families indeed, but no doubt some compensation may be forthcoming. I doubt the vessel will be impounded at Laem Chabang.