soalbundy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Me, me, me, my mates and the watch makers will make you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 15 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: I'm sorry, but to me that doesn't read like the definition of "democracy" but rather that of "fascism"; because isn't it in fascism where the people have to work for the good of the state and be subordinate to the state, whereas in a democracy the state is supposed to be working for the good of the people and actually serve the people. No actually what you describe is maxism. Though the term fascism may indeed apply. Fascism is a way of ruling that advocates total control of the people. ... Fascism comes from the Latin fascio, meaning “bundle, or political group.” In fascism, the people are looked at as a bundle — one body that must be controlled by the government with absolute force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 For Thai way read my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 hours ago, webfact said: he wanted Thai people to have a good understanding of democracy and to do good things for the benefit of the ... ... good people. The "good people" are those who are not bound by the Thai people's sovereignty, nor by their constitutions, laws and regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 hours ago, candide said: And that's supposed to be a definition? Uneducated powermonger, the worst kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2b2 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Democracy by any other name is not democracy. It is by it's very definition, something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHYWHY Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Democracy Form of government Democracy, in modern usage, is a system of government in which the citizens exercise power directly or elect representatives from among themselves to form a governing body, such as a parliament. Wikipedia Democracy also gives citizens the right to comment and criticize the Goverment Heads of state without fear or reprisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 hours ago, Thaiwrath said: I think he means, democracy "The Prayut way" ! Maybe. But I guess you can agree with me if I state democracy in the west has degenerated into a periodical voting circus without any real influence for the people while big companies rule, while our original ideas of what democracy means doesn't seem to work outside the west. For Asia may I point a finger at the ASEAN countries in general, where democracy as we want to see it is far, very far away, and it is highly debatable if democracy can work in Asia. Maybe we should wait and see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Simply grotesque for someone who seized power from a democratically elected government and intimidate the citizens to accept a highly skewed constitution favouring non elected officials to define democracy. He simply has no legitimacy to talk about democracy. Just do your job and facilitate the path to the next election and stop meddling in the laws to gain advantage to sneak in by the backdoor as the next PM. History will be kinder to you if you stop pretending to be a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He explained that was why he chose the term “Thai Niyom”, which can be translated as “Thai-ism” or “the Thai way”, to describe the country’s democracy. Niyom meaning "popular", the word นิยม has to be translated simply by the word popular. So Thai Niyom what is popular in Thailand But "which can be translated as Thai-ism” will be much loved by the many Thai-bashers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The PM was talking while pretending to be a elected PM lol. Excuse me you corrupt person. please retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 it amazes me how so many farang look to stir trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 15 hours ago, toughlove said: Thailand has a long history of failed western style democracy. If they are EVER going to embrace democracy it must be a modified version. Many people here been saying this for many years but get smacked down by the rose glasses brigade. I'm very curious to see the details but will hold my judgment until then No doubt the TV crystal ball holders will keep kicking and screaming. 14 hours ago, toughlove said: Conspiracy theories vs cliche.. Same same but different. The facts speak for themselves. There has never been a period of calm and acceptance of western democracy here NEVER has NEVER will. Your example of fair elections.. Cough cough.. Does not equall democracy done deal. You certainly come across as nieve to put it politely Thailand has a long history of entrenched elites doing everything they can to resist any transition to a Western style democracy and an erosion of the Sakdina social system. Democracy has never been allowed to evolve and settle. Your cock sure statements that Western style democracy "NEVER" will be accepted here are quite funny in their cluelessness. You come across as one of those two week holiday tourists who know it all and that everyone tries to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, hansnl said: Maybe. But I guess you can agree with me if I state democracy in the west has degenerated into a periodical voting circus without any real influence for the people while big companies rule, while our original ideas of what democracy means doesn't seem to work outside the west. I for one don't agree and I think I have the majority on my side. Your false take on democracy has made you come to accept military rule as an acceptable alternative and that's just sad (to put it politely). BTW, most of South America is democratic, some African nations are and in Asia you have Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Seems to me that Asian nations are fully capable of being democratic and that you're just full of....you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnapat Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sick and tired of reading about the ""Thai Way "" like they think they are some special race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 " We must not forget the principles of democracy " he says. Well,he can hardly forget considering he never knew what those principles are in the first place,still doesn't today,and is in no hurry to find out for future reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchega Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 yes military seems to think some people too stupid to vote. Some people just can't beleive anyone would be stupid enough to let them vote on something with agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigermoth Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Every country has so called democracy its own way but it is only influenced by cultural differences. The main principals are the same in all the worlds countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I for one don't agree and I think I have the majority on my side. Your false take on democracy has made you come to accept military rule as an acceptable alternative and that's just sad (to put it politely). BTW, most of South America is democratic, some African nations are and in Asia you have Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Seems to me that Asian nations are fully capable of being democratic and that you're just full of....you know.I agree with himAnd go one step further. Thais need a firm hand, fully grown adults with the mindset of children we see this type of behavior daily in our interactions. The current benign dictatorship is absolutely perfect and my observations are the Thais love it and remain well behaved70 million thais are not quite because they are afraid, no way anybody could stop an uprising, they are quite because they are content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Jonnapat said: Sick and tired of reading about the ""Thai Way "" like they think they are some special race it's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, toughlove said: The current benign dictatorship is absolutely perfect and my observations are the Thais love it and remain well behaved The Thais love it! The Junta is so modest that they do all what they can to prevent them from expressing their contentment, by forbidding free expression as well as free and fair elections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 The Thais love it! The Junta is so modest that they do all what they can to prevent them from expressing their contentment, by forbidding free expression as well as free and fair elections! Free expression my ass! You are posting on a forum owned By the nantion newspaper without being suppressed.Please let's keep it real. The junta do not allow protests. What would be the point if they allowed mass rallys and the usual killings and bombs. May as well leave the corrupt politicians in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, toughlove said: Please let's keep it real. Yes, let's do that. And you claiming the Thais love the junta regime based on your ""observations" is not keeping it real - quite the opposite. If the Thais love the regime the junta would have held elections ages ago to legitimize the only government in the world run by a military junta. That fact is so glaringly obvious it's funny how you junta fan-boys completely miss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Media1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Becker said: Yes, let's do that. And you claiming the Thais love the junta regime based on your ""observations" is not keeping it real - quite the opposite. If the Thais love the regime the junta would have held elections ages ago to legitimize the only government in the world run by a military junta. That fact is so glaringly obvious it's funny how you junta fan-boys completely miss it The only Thais that like the JUNTA. Are the filthy rich and peasants with absolutely nothing to loose. The majority despise this man and would beg for even Thaksin now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes, let's do that. And you claiming the Thais love the junta regime based on your ""observations" is not keeping it real - quite the opposite. If the Thais love the regime the junta would have held elections ages ago to legitimize the only government in the world run by a military junta. That fact is so glaringly obvious it's funny how you junta fan-boys completely miss it:cheesy:So where are the rallies? Where is the underground movement gaining support from the masses?Yep thought so, such a brutal regime [emoji23]This is reality, the only people crying are jaded expats or mostly those abroad who sadly cannot let go of thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, toughlove said: Free expression my ass! You are posting on a forum owned By the nantion newspaper without being suppressed. Please let's keep it real. The junta do not allow protests. What would be the point if they allowed mass rallys and the usual killings and bombs. May as well leave the corrupt politicians in control. You can twist it in any way you want, there is no logic in your position. As mentioned by Becker, if they were loved they would not be so afraid of free and fair election (which the next one won't be, in case there is any). Now if you want to get real, there are plenty of facts here (I just mention here 1800 people trialed by military courts with no appeal possibility). It also answers your next post about why there are no rallies, etc... Now, please, explain us precisely what is not "real" in this report: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/thailand Edited January 17, 2018 by candide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 You can twist it in any way you want, there is no logic in your position. As mentioned by Becker, if they were loved they would not be so afraid of free and fair election (which the next one won't be, in case there us any). Now if you want to get real, there are plenty of facts here (I just mention here 1800 people trialed by military courts with no appeal possibility). It also answers your next post about why there are no rallies, etc... Now, please, explain us precisely what is not "real" in this report:https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/thailand Errrm trials are not convictions. Get back to us with real numbers eh? You can't not stop a popular uprising. People are prepared to die for the cause and we have seen that in recent historyBut not the the Thais so you must be suggesting they are cowards? I strongly disagree with you they are most definitely not. Which brings me back to being content What are they fearful of when there is nothing to fear? Your obviously OS! Anybody living here could knows their life hasn't changed one... Little.... Bit!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, toughlove said: Errrm trials are not convictions. Get back to us with real numbers eh? You can't not stop a popular uprising. People are prepared to die for the cause and we have seen that in recent history But not the the Thais so you must be suggesting they are cowards? I strongly disagree with you they are most definitely not. Which brings me back to being content What are they fearful of when there is nothing to fear? Your obviously OS! Anybody living here could knows their life hasn't changed one... Little.... Bit!! Blah blah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toughlove Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Blah blah!Let me educate you sunshine. When the masses are being suppressed and the supermarket no longer stocks basics then you can expect a movement to stirrJust another farang beating his chest behind a keyboard.. Sad [emoji26] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midas Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I wonder what he has in mind..................? May be something along the lines of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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