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[Jingthing]

Still unable to accept the outcome, eh.  Three years to go at a minimum.  US government has done this before, it's nothing new.  What is new is you blaming the CIC for a failure of the congress/senate to reach a realistic compromise, which is how government shutdowns always occur.  But hey, if it feeds your irrational dislike of Mr. Trump, go for it, and enjoy your day.

Dislike of trump is incredibly rational. The vast majority of Americans and people all over the world agree. What was irrational was electing a bizarre con man in the first place.

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[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

Still unable to accept the outcome, eh.  Three years to go at a minimum.  US government has done this before, it's nothing new.  What is new is you blaming the CIC for a failure of the congress/senate to reach a realistic compromise, which is how government shutdowns always occur.  But hey, if it feeds your irrational dislike of Mr. Trump, go for it, and enjoy your day.

What is new is a government shutdown when the same party controls both the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.  Also new is a shutdown occurring during the first year in office for a President.  The fact that Trump brags endlessly about what a great deal maker he is adds irony to the situation.

[scorecard]

On 1/21/2018 at 7:09 PM, riclag said:

What I understand is Trump haters never, I mean never give 00000.1 % credit for anything he's done that's good. Example,appointing a supreme court justice and  repatriating trillions of dollars from other countries. These two instances are neglected by the TH's.Everybody understands 95% of PTrump's news is portrayed negative by the  media.I understand that you never gave the message a chance even before the message was voted into office.The memo will show that the investigators need to be investigated. It's so obvious ,why would the haters want a bull running around in a China shop!!The FBI said they had a insurance policy to stop him

 

Example,appointing a supreme court justice. A justice known to support dt's party. Perhaps you might consider that folks from many democracies see this as practice which way outside democratic principles. (But of course he's not the only one do have done this.)

 

Further,  do you really expect his few victories to shine above the massive negative (and damage) he has generated?

 

 

[observer90210]

Once again it is the middle and modest classes of society and government employees who will suffer from utter political stupidity from all sides.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Ramen087 said:

Still unable to accept the outcome, eh.  Three years to go at a minimum.  US government has done this before, it's nothing new.  What is new is you blaming the CIC for a failure of the congress/senate to reach a realistic compromise, which is how government shutdowns always occur.  But hey, if it feeds your irrational dislike of Mr. Trump, go for it, and enjoy your day.

 

29 minutes ago, heybruce said:

What is new is a government shutdown when the same party controls both the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.  Also new is a shutdown occurring during the first year in office for a President.  The fact that Trump brags endlessly about what a great deal maker he is adds irony to the situation.

BTW, blaming the President for a government shutdown is not new.  Trump blamed Obama for the 2013 shutdown, specifically his leadership.     http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-2013-comments-obama-shutdown-are-coming-back-haunt-him-786477

 

Seems we have a leadership problem again.

[Orton Rd]

There was no leadership with Obama though

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

There was no leadership with Obama though

Well trump is no leader... split the republican party.

[lannarebirth]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

What is new is a government shutdown when the same party controls both the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.  Also new is a shutdown occurring during the first year in office for a President.  The fact that Trump brags endlessly about what a great deal maker he is adds irony to the situation.

 

There were 5 government shutdowns while Jimmy Carter was president. 3 in the first year and all 5 with Democrats controlling both chambers of Congress.

[Basil B]

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US government shutdown to end after Senate Republicans and Democrats reach temporary deal on federal budget

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42781880

 

 

Edited January 22, 2018 by Basil B

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

There were 5 government shutdowns while Jimmy Carter was president. 3 in the first year and all 5 with Democrats controlling both chambers of Congress.

Prior to 1980 the government did not shutdown when part of it was unfunded.  Under Carter there were times when the country operated without an approve budget, but no shutdown.

 

" It's also important to note that not all shutdowns are created equal. Before some 1980 and 1981 opinions issued by then-Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti, a failure to fund some part of the government didn't necessarily mean that that part of government would stop functioning. "   https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/?utm_term=.b8e5846c4756

 

But if you want to maintain it's the same thing, go ahead.  That means Trump is following in the footsteps of Carter in having the first government shutdown when one party controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress.  You must be very proud of Trump.

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Prior to 1980 the government did not shutdown when part of it was unfunded.  Under Carter there were times when the country operated without an approve budget, but no shutdown.

 

" It's also important to note that not all shutdowns are created equal. Before some 1980 and 1981 opinions issued by then-Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti, a failure to fund some part of the government didn't necessarily mean that that part of government would stop functioning. "   https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/?utm_term=.b8e5846c4756

 

But if you want to maintain it's the same thing, go ahead.  That means Trump is following in the footsteps of Carter in having the first government shutdown when one party controlled the Presidency and both houses of Congress.  You must be very proud of Trump.

 

I don't have any opinion of Trump other than the one I formed 30 years ago. I haven't found any reason to change it. My opinion of my fellow citizens has taken a hit though. 

[MajarTheLion]

This is officially old news. The Democrats have folded. Clearly, they realized siding with illegal aliens while screwing our military and other US citizens and people respectful enough of our laws that they came here legally- was a HORRIBLE idea.

 

MAGA!

[MajarTheLion]

4 hours ago, observer90210 said:

Once again it is the middle and modest classes of society and government employees who will suffer from utter political stupidity from all sides.

My life has never suffered any consequence from government shutdowns. And I've lived through many of them. Oh well, it doesn't matter at this point. The Democrats folded. It's over.

[heybruce]

38 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

This is officially old news. The Democrats have folded. Clearly, they realized siding with illegal aliens while screwing our military and other US citizens and people respectful enough of our laws that they came here legally- was a HORRIBLE idea.

 

MAGA!

 

34 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

My life has never suffered any consequence from government shutdowns. And I've lived through many of them. Oh well, it doesn't matter at this point. The Democrats folded. It's over.

The key element for temporarily ending the shutdown was that Trump did not get involved in negotiations, allowing the adults to agree on temporary funding. 

 

The Democrats accepted Mitch McConnell's commitment to address the DACA issue, which is what kept the Democrats from voting for earlier temporary funding plans.  However since McConnell can't be trusted, one could argue that accepting the word of a liar is akin to folding.

[MajarTheLion]

40 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

The key element for temporarily ending the shutdown was that Trump did not get involved in negotiations, allowing the adults to agree on temporary funding. 

 

The Democrats accepted Mitch McConnell's commitment to address the DACA issue, which is what kept the Democrats from voting for earlier temporary funding plans.  However since McConnell can't be trusted, one could argue that accepting the word of a liar is akin to folding.

 

Translation: Yes, the Democrats folded.

[heybruce]

28 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Translation: Yes, the Democrats folded.

So you agree McConnell is a liar who can't be trusted.

[wayned]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

The Democrats accepted Mitch McConnell's commitment to address the DACA issue, which is what kept the Democrats from voting for earlier temporary funding plans.  However since McConnell can't be trusted, one could argue that accepting the word of a liar is akin to folding.

Unfortunately McConnell can do exactly what he promised and the Senate could come up with and pass a bill that is acceptable to both parties. It would then be passed to the house,  Trump could just pick up the phone and tell Ryan that he won't sign it and that's the end.  Ryan will not introduce the bill for discussion and up/down vote!

[MajarTheLion]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

So you agree McConnell is a liar who can't be trusted.

 

McConnell? Sure. But JUST McConnell? I would encourage you to widen your field of view.

Edited January 22, 2018 by MajarTheLion

[MajarTheLion]

11 minutes ago, wayned said:

Unfortunately McConnell can do exactly what he promised and the Senate could come up with and pass a bill that is acceptable to both parties. It would then be passed to the house,  Trump could just pick up the phone and tell Ryan that he won't sign it and that's the end.  Ryan will not introduce the bill for discussion and up/down vote!

Maybe that's precisely the idea.

[pegman]

Chuckie folds like a cheap suit. No surprise there. The coward in the White House performs as expected. This lady puts them both to shame.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/01/21/us-senator-who-lost-both-her-legs-in-iraq-slams-trump-as-a-five-deferment-draft-dodger.html

 

[pegman]

On January 21, 2018 at 6:09 AM, riclag said:

What I understand is Trump haters never, I mean never give 00000.1 % credit for anything he's done that's good. Example,appointing a supreme court justice and  repatriating trillions of dollars from other countries. These two instances are neglected by the TH's.Everybody understands 95% of PTrump's news is portrayed negative by the  media.I understand that you never gave the message a chance even before the message was voted into office.The memo will show that the investigators need to be investigated. It's so obvious ,why would the haters want a bull running around in a China shop!!The FBI said they had a insurance policy to stop him

Maybe the reason he does not get credit is because his economic policies are only meant to help the top 0.000001%!

[wayned]

Depending on the issues being discussed, Putin has agreed to timeshare  his puppeteer role with Steven Miller, John Kelly  and Jeff Sessions especially on issues dealing with immigration.

[Briggsy]

9 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

Still unable to accept the outcome, eh.  Three years to go at a minimum.  US government has done this before, it's nothing new.  What is new is you blaming the CIC for a failure of the congress/senate to reach a realistic compromise, which is how government shutdowns always occur.  But hey, if it feeds your irrational dislike of Mr. Trump, go for it, and enjoy your day.

Trump sat on the sidelines (and posted some more poisonous tweets). No leadership.

[MajarTheLion]

8 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Trump sat on the sidelines (and posted some more poisonous tweets). No leadership.

It's called DELEGATING. That's precisely what leaders do.

[Ramen087]

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

Trump sat on the sidelines (and posted some more poisonous tweets). No leadership.

he sat on the sidelines at the recommendation of senators of the republican party,  it is the responsibility of the senate and congress that craft the budget, and resolve impasses like this most recent one. watching from the sidelines clearly worked, with a short interruption and a deal acceptable to both sides having been crafted.  it will be signed in quick fashion by the president. 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

he sat on the sidelines at the recommendation of senators of the republican party,  it is the responsibility of the senate and congress that craft the budget, and resolve impasses like this most recent one. watching from the sidelines clearly worked, with a short interruption and a deal acceptable to both sides having been crafted.  it will be signed in quick fashion by the president. 

He was forced to sit on the sidelines after he rejected a bipartisanship bill.

[MajarTheLion]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

Chuckie folds like a cheap suit. No surprise there. The coward in the White House performs as expected. This lady puts them both to shame.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/01/21/us-senator-who-lost-both-her-legs-in-iraq-slams-trump-as-a-five-deferment-draft-dodger.html

 

With all due respect to her service and loss of limbs, that's an unhinged rant by a very emotional person. It looks like we have our next John Kerry who will use her military service again and again and again until it becomes downright silly. But not to worry- America loves its veterans and will listen to her rant and rave for a very long time.

[Ramen087]

29 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He was forced to sit on the sidelines after he rejected a bipartisanship bill.

President Trump made a choice to follow the advice of his Republican Seantor's counsel.  Forced?  Not really.  Actually, it would seem he acted with restraint as a team player by going against his instincts and letting those in whom the responsibility lies serve as they were elected to do so.

Regarding previous attempts to resolve the impasse.  Yes, this is the prerogative of the President. An adjusted and more acceptable bill was created which the President will sign. Good job by all.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Ramen087

[stevenl]

35 minutes ago, Ramen087 said:

President Trump made a choice to follow the advice of his Republican Seantor's counsel.  Forced?  Not really.  Actually, it would seem he acted with restraint as a team player by going against his instincts and letting those in whom the responsibility lies serve as they were elected to do so.

Regarding previous attempts to resolve the impasse.  Yes, this is the prerogative of the President. An adjusted and more acceptable bill was created which the President will sign. Good job by all.

Nonsense, just look at his divisive tweets about this.

 

He first caused and after that worsened the situation. Agree with you though, the more he stays out of things like this, the better it is.

[Scott]

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