Bill Gates come back! Burying of Pattaya's hanging wires begins 19th February

[JSixpack]

On 2/8/2018 at 5:53 PM, Basil B said:

February 19th     ...which year???

...and June in which  year???

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On 4/4/2015 at 3:50 AM, Basil B said:

Songkran... which year???

 

Just never gets old, does it?

 

Edited February 11, 2018 by JSixpack

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

Just never gets old, does it?

 

If you are trying to criticise my humour, When did they actually finish tarmacking  Second Road?

 

Remember "This Is Thailand" the land of overrunning and abandoned construction projects... (Public and Private).

 

Like:

• The "Bangkok Stonehenge" abandoned  Bangkok Elevated Road and Train System to Don Mueang 
• The Sathorn Unique tower 47 story Bangkok tower still unfinished after 20 years
• Ocean1 tower, Jomtien, still not started 12 years after first announced start date 

The list is endless...

 

I think my questioning of which year is fair comment.

[JSixpack]

19 minutes ago, Basil B said:

If you are trying to criticise my humour, When did they actually finish tarmacking  Second Road?

 

Remember "This Is Thailand" the land of overrunning and abandoned construction projects... (Public and Private).

 

Like:

• The "Bangkok Stonehenge" abandoned  Bangkok Elevated Road and Train System to Don Mueang 
• The Sathorn Unique tower 47 story Bangkok tower still unfinished after 20 years
• Ocean1 tower, Jomtien, still not started 12 years after first announced start date 

The list is endless...

 

I think my questioning of which year is fair comment.

 

No, merely same ol' stale puerile unfunny humor. Construction projects don't meet schedules the world over, sometimes notably so. And the list of those completed in Thailand is so vast it reduces your little TVF harpies list to the microscopic. I don't think you have any evidence that they didn't finish the resurfacing of 2nd Rd by Songkran.

Edited February 11, 2018 by JSixpack

[Justgrazing]

Meanwhile on the business side of beach road the " wires " preferred to just hang out uninterrupted ( except for the odd storm interruption ) after seeing what happened to their cable / jct box buddies on the beach side of the road .. 

[gk10002000]

22 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

I gave you your fallback position: Comforting fallback: must be gonna happen someday. Must be. So let's hear the date so we can verify. One poster comforted himself w/ the thought that the Tunnel must flood when there's a tsunami.  Whew!

 

Trouble is w/ the open-ended doom predictions is that there's cleverly never any date given, heh heh. So a broken clock's right twice a day. Could be sometime in the next 100 years. Now we've waited for the bad thing w/ the Beach Rd. wires 14 years already. So how much longer, man? The suspense is killing us!

 

 

Been really impressed so far.

 

 

We got no real argument here about the wires and as there's--sadly--real evidence to the contrary we'll merely resort to whataboutism. 

 

 

Let's have all the evidence of actual problems since 2004-2005 w/ the wires. No? Next.

 

 

Give it a rest kid.  You are going to argue the opposite point no matter what.

[JSixpack]

38 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Give it a rest kid.  You are going to argue the opposite point no matter what.

 

No; no. I take it you're done then. Good! Let's move on, then shall we?

[gk10002000]

On ‎2‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 6:55 AM, Justgrazing said:

Meanwhile on the business side of beach road the " wires " preferred to just hang out uninterrupted ( except for the odd storm interruption ) after seeing what happened to their cable / jct box buddies on the beach side of the road .. 

Yeah.  building on a foundation of sand.  Jsixpack will say everything is fine.

[JSixpack]

On 2/11/2018 at 6:55 PM, Justgrazing said:

Meanwhile on the business side of beach road the " wires " preferred to just hang out uninterrupted ( except for the odd storm interruption ) after seeing what happened to their cable / jct box buddies on the beach side of the road .. 

 

 

No, those wires have been too stupid to emulate their prosperous neighbors to the north who went underground many years ago with no problems. Cf. San Diego/Tijuana.

 

 

But you see the IQ deficit extends more generally throughout the area. And now we come to the crux of the matter: the Authorities are shamelessly exploiting that fact by leaving those wires to electrocute as many of the stupid farang as possible, like that Brit in 2009 on 2nd Rd. And herein lies the answer to the mysterious the lack of seating on the promenade side: keep 'em movin' and hope for a storm! SO diabolical. Surprised our haters and bashers never figured it out. Too familar w/ S. Pattaya perhaps.

 

But North, Central, and South Roads are good to go. Oh--there's no beach side on those roads that our trolls might use to blow the usual smoke.

 

Edited February 12, 2018 by JSixpack

[Scott]

Continued baiting and inflammatory remarks will earn suspensions.  

[JSixpack]

14 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Yeah.  building on a foundation of sand.  Jsixpack will say everything is fine.

 

1. Has nothing to do w/ the burying of cables on North, Central, and South Pattaya Rds or on the business side of Beach Rd, whose cables were buried about 14 years ago (on a foundation of sand ) w/ no problems reported. If there were problems, our ace TVF Construction Engineers would have been out in force pointing fingers. The flooding of Beach Rd. and all of its consequences are followed religiously here on our beloved forum for bashing purposes.

 

To summarize, there's no evidence whatsoever not to "trust the Thais to make and bury the wire system properly, especially in a country with so much rainfall and standing water." In fact there's concrete evidence to suggest that we might trust them in this instance. I do think we might not trust them when it comes to building beach promenades. However, North, Central, and Pattaya Rds don't have beach promenades to collapse. 

 

2. No (again). Further personal attacks will be reported.

 

 

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

1. Has nothing to do w/ the burying of cables on North, Central, and South Pattaya Rds or on the business side of Beach Rd, whose cables were buried about 14 years ago (on a foundation of sand ) w/ no problems reported. If there were problems, our ace TVF Construction Engineers would have been out in force pointing fingers. The flooding of Beach Rd. and all of its consequences are followed religiously here on our beloved forum for bashing purposes.

 

To summarize, there's no evidence whatsoever not to "trust the Thais to make and bury the wire system properly, especially in a country with so much rainfall and standing water." In fact there's concrete evidence to suggest that we might trust them in this instance. I do think we might not trust them when it comes to building beach promenades. However, North, Central, and Pattaya Rds don't have beach promenades to collapse. 

 

2. No (again). Further personal attacks will be reported.

 

 

Indeed some good points raised there JSP .. Some of the area's lined up for this don't share the same problems as Beach rd so providing the submerging of H T cables follows tried and tested procedures there quite rightly shouldn't be any problem thereafter .. And the benefit to everyone's mince-pies ( eyes ) by the removal of the unsightly wiring mess hanging from concrete poles will be manifold .. The issue's that beset Beach rd and promenade are well documented and to a degree are beyond anyone's " fault " .. Being at the lowest point it has to deal with huge amounts of water draining down to it during the rain whilst the prom' is getting battered and eroded from the ocean side .. This has had the effect of disrupting and under washing parts of the promenade which in turn is now starting to expose some of the cabling and seriously undermine the stability of some of the jct/boxes .. That may not have been forseen by the electrical authority when they were first submerged over a decade ago .. The problem with the promenade starting to get washed away is one that the authorities here have got to deal with it .. The block paving always has looked good and does make for a nice walk .. but in places now where it has sunk or been disrupted it can also reveal it wasn't laid particularly well .. Some of the walls that stand between the beach and prom' look pretty sorry now and offer little protection to it so the problem worsens .. A lot of dough has to spent and inconvenience will be incurred but when it is done properly I will be among the first to laud them .. ✌

[JSixpack]

On 2/9/2018 at 4:59 AM, gk10002000 said:

I am pretty sure I absolutely do not trust the Thais to make and bury the wire system properly, especially in a country with so much rainfall and standing water. 

 

Forgot to ask where all this "standing water" is on North, Central, and South Roads that threaten the underground cables.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Indeed some good points raised there JSP .. Some of the area's lined up for this don't share the same problems as Beach rd so providing the submerging of H T cables follows tried and tested procedures there quite rightly shouldn't be any problem thereafter .. And the benefit to everyone's mince-pies ( eyes ) by the removal of the unsightly wiring mess hanging from concrete poles will be manifold .. The issue's that beset Beach rd and promenade are well documented and to a degree are beyond anyone's " fault " .. Being at the lowest point it has to deal with huge amounts of water draining down to it during the rain whilst the prom' is getting battered and eroded from the ocean side .. This has had the effect of disrupting and under washing parts of the promenade which in turn is now starting to expose some of the cabling and seriously undermine the stability of some of the jct/boxes .. That may not have been forseen by the electrical authority when they were first submerged over a decade ago .. The problem with the promenade starting to get washed away is one that the authorities here have got to deal with it .. The block paving always has looked good and does make for a nice walk .. but in places now where it has sunk or been disrupted it can also reveal it wasn't laid particularly well .. Some of the walls that stand between the beach and prom' look pretty sorry now and offer little protection to it so the problem worsens .. A lot of dough has to spent and inconvenience will be incurred but when it is done properly I will be among the first to laud them .. ✌

to a degree are beyond anyone's " fault " .. Being at the lowest point it has to deal with huge amounts of water draining down to it during the rain whilst the prom' is getting battered and eroded from the ocean side ..

Seriously? It is the responsibility of those politicians that came up with the idea of the new promenade to ensure the designers and engineers that built the thing take into account the apparently strange idea that "huge amounts of water drain down to it during the rain" and construct it to take such into account. That that did not happen is not unexpected in Pattaya, for all the usual reasons.

Regardless, competent builders would have included a drainage system capable of dealing with the "huge amounts of water draining down to it during the rain". They obviously did not, and some of us know why.

While on the drainage subject, it is worth remembering that the present walkway has only been there a few years and before it there were versions that did not suffer as seriously with "huge amounts of water draining down to it during the rain".

 

whilst the prom' is getting battered and eroded from the ocean side

Worth while remembering that in the previous versions of the promenade there was no "battering and eroding from the ocean side". Something obviously changed when they built the new one. Cutting down all the trees that stabilised the shore perhaps? 

 

That may not have been forseen by the electrical authority when they were first submerged over a decade ago

LOL. That problem would have been understood by anyone been living in Pattaya for longer than a 2 week holiday.

 

.. The problem with the promenade starting to get washed away is one that the authorities here have got to deal with it ..

Agreed, but strangely(?) they never do, till after it collapses, when they do a bodge job to fix it till the next time.

 

The block paving always has looked good and does make for a nice walk .. but in places now where it has sunk or been disrupted it can also reveal it wasn't laid particularly well

Nothing to do with "wasn't laid particularly well". That's what happens when pavers are laid on sand and such always require periodic maintenance to keep level. Unfortunately, money for maintenance has never been allocated in Pattaya, which is why the same decrepit pavements line many of the streets as over 20 years ago.

 

 Some of the walls that stand between the beach and prom' look pretty sorry now and offer little protection to it so the problem worsens

Which is because they were not built properly, and who is responsible for that?

 

A lot of dough has to spent

Agreed, but as anyone ever lived in Pattaya knows, very little will be.

[JamJar]

I'm surprised that no one uploaded a video of the Songthaew that got lassoed by a wire hanging between telegraph poles on either side of the street on the Naklua Road, close to Soi 18..