Australian man killed in brutal Pattaya bar fight identified, American attacker in custody

[TheWizardofRnR]

I am an American and my Best friend over last 30 years here in Thailand since 1988 is Australian , get it right , if your not Thai , then we are All Bozos on this Bus......It comes down , not by Country , its by only 2  options Good or Evil but sometimes Good People , wind up getting their butts , a little too much involved....never butt in too much , remember to remain calm & know you most likely cannot win !!! Go quietly and do not turn back with anything to speak or yell at someone , or even anyone !!!

[Just Weird]

15 minutes ago, giddyup said:

The fight has nothing to do with the bar, but alcohol. Only have to see what happens in some British pubs late at night. Not just men, but women fighting as well.

Sorry, I thought the OP said the fight happened in the bar.  I could swear that the manger also confirmed that.  Must have read it wrongly.

[bkkcanuck8]

4 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Thank god for Thaivisa legal advice.

Well since some reports indicate that the 5 men confronted the individual - that would be enough to be an accomplice (at the beginning).  And while the attack apparently took all of 20 seconds (hard to believe), the fact that his partners did nothing to stop it and were involved in documenting it would I think be sufficient to be active accomplices. (IMHO). i.e. confrontation is enough to set the boundaries around the assault.

Edited February 12, 2018 by bkkcanuck8

[sikishrory]

5 minutes ago, chrisandsu said:

Probably ghetto trash . Going to some rubbish Muy Thai school . 

Ghetto trash would have there face plastered all over Thai and Aussie media with not a worry.

Sometimes faces are shown. Sometimes blurred and this time none at all. Not even a name.

They reported they want to do a thorough investigation before they release details due to the seriousness of the matter, so lets hope that is the case.

[grantbkk]

2 hours ago, theslime said:

Some aussies are proud descendants of bread stealers, but not all. research and discover that you have had the wrong belief .

 

Mr. Ginsing it one out of touch, sad and an angry man who may be crying for help. I hope he gets the help he needs. 

 

This is is a terrible tragedy and the perpetrator(s) will be punished. There is NO excuse to beat a man to death. 

 

Condolences to the families torn apart.

RIP.  

[marinediscoking]

I am hearing quite a different story about this. According to on one of the staff, the Aussie was extremely drunk. He got rough with one of the female staff and began choking her and would not let go. The American told him to let her go then his aggression turned on him and he punched him starting the fight. Also she said the American was alone and the Aussie's friend was upstairs on a ST. 

By the time the assistant manger tried to break it up it was over, the Aussie was still talking up to the point he was taken away in an ambulance. This account is from the staff who was there and who was choked. 

 

Most of these reports quote a German who was there but did not see it until the fight had already started, he also left immediately and refused to make a statement to the police.

 

I am not on anyone's side, and the American definitely got carried away with the stomping.

[giddyup]

8 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Sorry, I thought the OP said the fight happened in the bar.  I could swear that the manger also confirmed that.  Must have read it wrongly.

Never said it didn't happen in a bar, but how is the bar to blame? So, what's your point?

Edited February 12, 2018 by giddyup

[cardinalblue]

Clearly be prosecuted....on what grounds? So other patrons and staff who witnessed the beating as well?

 

level of involvement will determine inclusion or not....

 

so far only wild speculation, stereotyping, no sequential details of event and poorly written response by the bar to minimize risk and image...

 

until il some actual facts are strung together leading to the definitive outcome....

 

one man kills another in bar....now let the flow of rumors  interpretations opinions perceptions and some facts surface....

[dg1980]

Given the location, you can bet the confrontation was over one of the short time prostitutes that works there.

 

I will never understand why some

people get jealous and territorial over a girl they met 10 minutes ago who works in a brothel....

[giddyup]

Just now, dg1980 said:

Given the location, you can bet the confrontation was over one of the short time prostitutes that works there.

 

I will never understand why some

people get jealous and territorial over a girl they met 10 minutes ago who works in a brothel....

Pure conjecture.

[AGareth2]

8 minutes ago, marinediscoking said:

am not on anyone's side, and the American definitely got carried away with the stomping.

a bit of an understatement!

[Just Weird]

25 minutes ago, giddyup said:

The fight has nothing to do with the bar, but alcohol. 

You could be right if you know how long those involved had they been in the bar drinking and how much alcohol they had drunk.

[Just Weird]

27 minutes ago, giddyup said:

They stood by laughing and taking pics whilst their mate stomps on a guys head, I would say they share some responsibility.

For killing him?  I don't think so.

[giddyup]

Just now, Just Weird said:

You could be right if you know how long those involved had they been in the bar drinking and how much alcohol they had drunk.

It could be that someone said the wrong thing or looked at someone the wrong way. Some people don't need a reason to start a fight.

[giddyup]

Just now, Just Weird said:

For killing him?  I don't think so.

Is that the kind of thing you'd do, watch one of your mates stomp someone's head until he was dead, or would you try and prevent it happening? If you don't think his mates carry some responsibility, you have a fairly warped set of morals.

[twizzian]

3 hours ago, Darcula said:

Why do bad things happen in such nice places?

 

 

 

Is Pattaya a nice place?

[Just Weird]

25 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Because they couldn't find their own asses with 2 hands maybe?

We rarely get to hear what happened in these cases and eye witness accounts are what we need.

 

Sounds like a very violent and cruel individual...

 

"We rarely get to hear what happened in these cases..."

Don't blame the police for that, blame the media, or yourself for not keeping up to date.  Thaivisa does not claim to be a team of investigative journalists!

[Dave67]

"Witnesses recalled the group then laughing and taking photos......."

 

You won't be laughing again for decades hope it was worth it scum. You'll be someone's prison bitch by the end of this week

[giddyup]

5 minutes ago, twizzian said:

Is Pattaya a nice place?

Don't knock it unless you try it.

[Just Weird]

26 minutes ago, giddyup said:

See post #62.

Why?

[diehard60]

yep. pataya is the place to go if you want to die or get beat up

[Just Weird]

25 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Well since some reports indicate that the 5 men confronted the individual - that would be enough to be an accomplice (at the beginning).  And while the attack apparently took all of 20 seconds (hard to believe), the fact that his partners did nothing to stop it and were involved in documenting it would I think be sufficient to be active accomplices. (IMHO). i.e. confrontation is enough to set the boundaries around the assault.

Thank god for more Thaivisa legal advice.

Edited February 12, 2018 by Just Weird

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

Why?

Because someone had already pointed out that the bars that have CCTV cameras have them discreetly pointed where no BJ action would be captured. Try and keep up.

[Just Weird]

25 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Never said it didn't happen in a bar, but how is the bar to blame? So, what's your point?

I didn't say that the bar was to blame.  Didn't you say that it was nothing to do with the bar and all to do with alcohol?

[pgrahmm]

What I didn't see was in another report was the Aussie had grabbed a bar girl by the throat which preceded/started the altercation.....

No excuse for this type of violence....Once the guy was subdued..... 

Pattaya just seems like one big animal farm for the at risk types.....

[giddyup]

5 minutes ago, diehard60 said:

yep. pataya is the place to go if you want to die or get beat up

Another comment from someone who has probably never been to Pattaya.

[Just Weird]

37 minutes ago, giddyup said:

It could be that someone said the wrong thing or looked at someone the wrong way. Some people don't need a reason to start a fight.

So now you're not blaming the alcohol?

Edited February 12, 2018 by Just Weird

[chrisinth]

Seems to be a lot of speculation here as to what the American is, gang related, red-neck trailer trash, convicted thug, etc.

 

To add to the speculation i can't get it out of my head that he could be a serving member over here for R & R. I have witnessed people who normally wouldn't, act this way after being in the zone. Hope I'm wrong.

 

Regardless, nothing justifies this kind of action; he either needs lots of help or face the wrath of the law for what he has done.

[alex8912]

43 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Nothing? And who served them alcohol?

It's responsibility of a bar to stop serving alcohol to too-drunk customers !

Yes!! It was 6:30 pm and it was reported All involved were drinking for hours.  What a waste of two lives all because of alchohol over served. 

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

I didn't say that the bar was to blame.  Didn't you say that it was nothing to do with the bar and all to do with alcohol?

I stand by my comment. Already asked you why is the bar to blame, you avoided answering. If you can't follow the comments  or the questions I suggest you refrain from responding. You seem to be in a state of confusion.