WP job description question please

[polarwood]

Hallo,

 

Could someone please point me in the right direction or offer their advice on the most suitable job description/s for a WP.

 

I am a co-director of the newly formed thai company. Main shareholder and co-director is Thai.

Business is restaurant.The restaurant offers both Thai and European food.

 

My information so far is that Director, Restaurant Manager, or Chef are the available options. An 'event planner' or 'front of house' has been mentioned but it would be hard to justify in a fixed dwelling I'd imagine. I have experience in all these fields previously. 

 

My thinking is that a WP purely as a company director will be zero hands on. If the WP for this is even available....

As a manager it would be zero hands on, only organisation and direction of the running of the business.

As a chef maybe there is provision to source food, and a grey area when directly cooking as opposed to supervising a Thai cooking.

 

The main objective for me is about the shopping and being able to "assist" the european food cook when its busy or short staffed. It would help the business greatly if I could do these two things and still be compliant. Especially the shopping. 

 

So my main questions are;

 

1.Can I have more than one job description on my work permit? (chef, manager)

2.Which job description would allow me to do daily shopping to supply the restaurant? 

3. Does the wording of the type of Chef improve the compliance as it is specialised western food and existing Thai staff cooking Thai and European food.

4. How far does the actual duties of a chef and manager extend. Both can probably justify sourcing the quality food for the shop budget.

5. Which overall is the most suitable description/s in your opinion?

 

 

Thank you in advance for anything you can offer to assist my understanding of how best to set this up.

 

 

 

 

[Maestro]

I believe you need two things :

1. Job title
2. Job description

Director, restaurant manager, chef are job titles. Go for director, if this is acceptable to the Department of Employment, otherwise restaurant manager.

 

The text of the job description can be as long as it needs to be and should include all activities that you think you will be carrying out. From what you mention, it could be "In his capacity as [job title] Mr Polarwood is responsible for the general management of the kitchen and the restaurant including, but not limited to

• instructing, training and supervising the staff
• selecting the correct type and quality of food, equipment  and other materials used in the restaurant and ensuring the correct transportation
• supervising and ensuring the correct preparation of the food in accordance with the high standards of the restaurant
• ensuring a high standard of hygiene and cleanliness in the kitchens and the restaurant
• [any other responsibilities and actvities you can think of and which are not forbidden for foreigners]"

 

You said that you may occasionally have to cook certain types of food when the person to whom this task is assigned is unexpectedly absent and this activity would  then fall under "ensuring the correct preparation of the food"

[polarwood]

45 minutes ago, Maestro said:

I believe you need two things :

1. Job title
2. Job description

Director, restaurant manager, chef are job titles. Go for director, if this is acceptable to the Department of Employment, otherwise restaurant manager.

 

The text of the job description can be as long as it needs to be and should include all activities that you think you will be carrying out. From what you mention, it could be "In his capacity as [job title] Mr Polarwood is responsible for the general management of the kitchen and the restaurant including, but not limited to

• instructing, training and supervising the staff
• selecting the correct type and quality of food, equipment  and other materials used in the restaurant and ensuring the correct transportation
• supervising and ensuring the correct preparation of the food in accordance with the high standards of the restaurant
• ensuring a high standard of hygiene and cleanliness in the kitchens and the restaurant
• [any other responsibilities and actvities you can think of and which are not forbidden for foreigners]"

 

You said that you may occasionally have to cook certain types of food when the person to whom this task is assigned is unexpectedly absent and this activity would  then fall under "ensuring the correct preparation of the food"

Thankyou so much Maestro for your prompt and detailed reply. 

 

So if I understand correctly, it is more down to the wording of the description in trying to get as many activities covered as they will allow. From there they will assess what they will and will not include to approve the WP.

 

Is there a reason you suggested director as the first preference, over restaurant manager? Chef maybe not so?

 

I am not sure but also heard some recent mention about a new rule regarding directors an WP's. Maybe its unrelated (I can't even recall fully what the news was sorry).

 

Thankyou again your your opinions. They are very much appreciated right now as I will be needing to act on the WP title asap and get the WP3 and first B visa done very soon.

[Maestro]

There are executive directors, who work in the company, and non-executive directors, who do not work, only attend board meetings.

 

A director is, using the full title, a member of the of the board of directors. In my view it is not really a job title because even for an executive director it gives no idea what job he does, unless it is something like director of finance, but chief financial officer would be a more likely title in such case.

 

In your situation, if you want a job title that sounds more prestigious than restaurant manager, you can call yourself Chief Operating Officer (COO), but this title is usually found in large companies and the employee going to the market to buy things would be two or more rungs lower than the COO on the corporate ladder.

 

An executive director, ie with a job description, can always get a work permit, but apparently some regional departments of social security do not allow directors to sign up for the social security scheme.

[polarwood]

On 18/02/2018 at 7:12 PM, Maestro said:

There are executive directors, who work in the company, and non-executive directors, who do not work, only attend board meetings.

 

A director is, using the full title, a member of the of the board of directors. In my view it is not really a job title because even for an executive director it gives no idea what job he does, unless it is something like director of finance, but chief financial officer would be a more likely title in such case.

 

In your situation, if you want a job title that sounds more prestigious than restaurant manager, you can call yourself Chief Operating Officer (COO), but this title is usually found in large companies and the employee going to the market to buy things would be two or more rungs lower than the COO on the corporate ladder.

 

An executive director, ie with a job description, can always get a work permit, but apparently some regional departments of social security do not allow directors to sign up for the social security scheme.

 

Thankyou for your advice Maestro, I ran it by my accountant/lawyer and was told that A director title wouldn't be available for a restaurant WP? I explained using the job description to better define the actual work being done. 

 

Seems strange but thats the answer I got...