Factbox: Reactions to the death of U.S. evangelist Billy Graham

[canuckamuck]

29 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

And you probably believe you're not an anti-semite.

I am definitely not an anti-semite. I would not refer to the globalists as 'the Jews' as Graham appears to have done. I am only anti-globalist so I am against them whether they be Jewish or not. Not because they are Jewish but because the globalists, possessing great influence, have the opportunity to do good yet they appear to be evil. 

 

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I am definitely not an anti-semite. I would not refer to the globalists as 'the Jews' as Graham appears to have done. I am only anti-globalist so I am against them whether they be Jewish or not. Not because they are Jewish but because the globalists, possessing great influence, have the opportunity to do good yet they appear to be evil. 

 

Let me repeat your quote to you again:

"If by Jews he was referring to the globalist bankers controlling the deep state, then his comment remains to be true. If instead he meant all Jews, then of course that comment was antisemitic.  I am pretty sure he was talking about the Rothschilds and friends."

 If someone  uses "Jews" as a shorthand for "globalist bankers" he or she has made an anti-semitic statements by equating Jews with globalist bankers.  So what does that make a person who defends such a statement?.

[canuckamuck]

41 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, if they claim to be Christian, Jesus might find something wrong:

 

Matthew: 19:24I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"

 

Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”

Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

 

James 5:1-6 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 

2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 

3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 

4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 

5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 

6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

 

There's a lot more where that came from. I still have to find a passage where Jesus praises people for accumulating wealth. But what does he know about Christianity?

To summarize those excellent words. It's all about priorities, People put their material things first and lose out on things with more permanence. Having money doesn't keep you from God. But materialism is a deadly trap which is a lesson many on this forum are learing.

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

To summarize those excellent words. It's all about priorities, People put their material things first and lose out on things with more permanence. Having money doesn't keep you from God. But materialism is a deadly trap which is a lesson many on this forum are learing.

Matthew: 19:24I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"

 

 

Matthe 6:19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth

and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Matthew 620: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor

rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Edited February 23, 2018 by ilostmypassword

[canuckamuck]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Let me repeat your quote to you again:

"If by Jews he was referring to the globalist bankers controlling the deep state, then his comment remains to be true. If instead he meant all Jews, then of course that comment was antisemitic.  I am pretty sure he was talking about the Rothschilds and friends."

 If someone  uses "Jews" as a shorthand for "globalist bankers" he or she has made an anti-semitic statements by equating Jews with globalist bankers.  So what does that make a person who defends such a statement?.

If you are discussing business with your pals and you are disgusted with what the all British management of a competing business is doing. You might refer to them as the Brits or those Brits, or something much more colorful, but that doesn't make you anti-British.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

If you are discussing business with your pals and you are disgusted with what the all British management of a competing business is doing. You might refer to them as the Brits or those Brits, or something much more colorful, but that doesn't make you anti-British.

I call B.S,!

You are promoting a classic antisemitic trope. Whether you realize you are doing that (it would be IGNORANT not to) or not might be another question as we can't know your soul but I have a good guess.

 

I realize it's fashionable these days to more open about race baiting, Jew baiting, Muslim baiting, gay baiting, etc. because of the political rise of far right wing white identity nationalists/fake populists in the USA and Europe, but sorry, there will still many people calling B.S. when you do that. 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[canuckamuck]

2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Matthew: 19:24I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"

 

 

Matthe 6:19: Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth

and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Matthew 620: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor

rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Yes those are good too. Better to concentrate on doing eternal good rather than focusing on things and riches. Can't take it with you  ya see.

[canuckamuck]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I call B.S,!

You are promoting a classic antisemitic trope. Whether you realize you are doing that (it would be IGNORANT not to) or not might be another question as we can't know your soul but I have a good guess.

I think I was very specific in who I am against. As a Christian it would be incredibly hard to rationalize antisemitism when you follow a faith that explains Judaism was given to Jewish people as a perfect religion. And of Course Jesus being Jewish is tough to overlook.

I know there have been antisemites that call themselves Christians. I can't speak for them.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

I think I was very specific in who I am against. As a Christian it would be incredibly hard to rationalize antisemitism when you follow a faith that explains Judaism was given to Jewish people as a perfect religion. And of Course Jesus being Jewish is tough to overlook.

I know there have been antisemites that call themselves Christians. I can't speak for them.

Maybe consider stop spreading antisemitic tropes then and trying to make lame excuses for especially Nixon. 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[ilostmypassword]

9 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

If you are discussing business with your pals and you are disgusted with what the all British management of a competing business is doing. You might refer to them as the Brits or those Brits, or something much more colorful, but that doesn't make you anti-British.

So you're saying that Billy Graham was in competition with globalist bankers and he decided to call them Jews because why? The only way that makes sense is if all globalist bankers are Jewish. Clearly, you're flailing here. The fact is that Graham got to where he was by toadying to people in power. If he had seriously called them out, he never would have gotten anywhere near them. 

[canuckamuck]

1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

So you're saying that Billy Graham was in competition with globalist bankers and he decided to call them Jews because why? The only way that makes sense is if all globalist bankers are Jewish. Clearly, you're flailing here. The fact is that Graham got to where he was by toadying to people in power. If he had seriously called them out, he never would have gotten anywhere near them. 

So what your saying is...

The number one indicator of an upcoming Strawman

 

No one said Graham was calling them out. Graham's comments were part of a one on one chat with Nixon. Not a platform with a megaphone.  

"The only way that makes sense is if all globalist bankers are Jewish." 

No he could have been generalizing based on a perception that there were a majority of Jews involved. Not feeling to need to be hyper specific as Nixon understood what was meant.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

A great deal of the wealth accumulated by popular preachers comes from the sale of their publications. If you get a reputation for having interesting or valuable things to say you can sell a lot of books. JK Rowling is past the $650 million mark writing for little kids about witchcraft. Her tremendous success is partially responsible for the millennial's obsession with the occult. Whereas the pastors being criticized are mainly teaching people how to escape depression, how to forgive, how to get your life in order, and of course teaching biblical values and history.

People spent their money because they provide a product in demand. It is just capitalism and free will. The reason people are angry is just anti Christian bias.

A fiction writer is not comparable to a huckster pushing rubbish and superstition as true "gospel".

 

[attrayant]

49 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I am definitely not an anti-semite. I would not refer to the globalists as 'the Jews' as Graham appears to have done. 

 

What is it in Graham's quote that you feel connects "the globalist bankers controlling the deep state" (your own words) and "the Jews"?  Here's Graham's quote again:

 

On Feb. 1, 1972, unaware of Nixon’s Oval Office taping system, when Nixon ranted about how Jews “totally dominated” the media, Graham said, “This stranglehold has got to be broken or this country is going down the drain.” He also told Nixon that Jews are the ones “putting out the pornographic stuff.”

 

[overherebc]

22 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

He was a complete fraud. he was in it for the money and the power. Not sure why he is tolerated on here, he was an anti-semite and that normally ruffles many many feathers with people on this board.  We offer prayers, or as Graham would have it - we offer prayers from anyone who can just send 50 000 dollars, just two more donors needed.

If you're making the same offer I'll start praying now.

????

[overherebc]

20 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

A fiction writer is not comparable to a huckster pushing rubbish and superstition as true "gospel".

 

Just a different kind of witchcraft.

[ilostmypassword]

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

So what your saying is...

The number one indicator of an upcoming Strawman

 

No one said Graham was calling them out. Graham's comments were part of a one on one chat with Nixon. Not a platform with a megaphone.  

"The only way that makes sense is if all globalist bankers are Jewish." 

No he could have been generalizing based on a perception that there were a majority of Jews involved. Not feeling to need to be hyper specific as Nixon understood what was meant.

But the fact is that in his conversation Graham gave no indication he was talking about globalists or anything else. And given that this took place in the 70's before "globalist" became a thing, it's clear that the person making such a connection was not graham but is you. What kind of mind is it that jumps to globalist upon hearing the word "jew"? I think the answer to that is clear.

And how do you explain away his calling Jews pornographer?

Edited February 23, 2018 by ilostmypassword

[Jingthing]

Some background on this "globalist" thing -- the link to classic antisemitic tropes simply CANNOT be denied. There is a member here dancing around the edges of that playing a game of plausible deniability. I call B.S.

 

The Jewish global control conspiracy theory garbage didn't start with Nixon or Graham, or "trump," and it certainly won't end now, but it's been more severe and open lately in the wake of the rise again of these modern white nationalist political movements.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/28/how-globalism-became-the-boogeyman-of-2016/?utm_term=.a5d98aeb914f

Quote

 

“The conspiracy theories Trump has been talking up recently play on long-standing tropes used against Jews for decades or even centuries, and the echoes are unmistakable for many of Trump’s alt-right followers and for Jews who are familiar with the history of anti-Semitism,” writes Cheryl Greenberg, professor of history at Trinity College.

She goes on: “Whether Trump is intentional about spreading anti-Semitism is, of course, largely beside the point. Like his more overt expressions of racism, sexism and Islamophobia, Trump’s anti-Semitic comments have made such conversation acceptable again.”

And it's almost certain that, no matter the victor on Nov. 8, the scaremongering over the “globalist” menace will continue.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2018 by Jingthing

[canuckamuck]

14 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

But the fact is that in his conversation Graham gave no indication he was talking about globalists or anything else. And given that this took place in the 70's before "globalist" became a thing, it's clear that the person making such a connection was not graham but is you. What kind of mind is it that jumps to globalist upon hearing the word "jew"? I think the answer to that is clear.

To answer you and Attrayant, he was referring to the deep state, there are other names. He was not talking about the nation of Israel. 

In Thailand they would be referred to as influential parties.

[Andaman Al]

22 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

To answer you and Attrayant, he was referring to the deep state, there are other names. He was not talking about the nation of Israel. 

In Thailand they would be referred to as influential parties.

You're making it up as you go along.

 

[canuckamuck]

40 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

You're making it up as you go along.

 

I wasn't there but they told me about it later.

[Andaman Al]

13 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I wasn't there but they told me about it later.

Yes, i guess they did, like your other imaginary friend tells you things. You hijacked this thread quoting bible and verse when it is not a religious thread. It is about someone dying, someone that used a 2000 year old con to garner influence and power and you use the same con to justify Graham as leading a good and virtuous life! There are lots of Bible reading forums out there, nobody to convert here, move on.

[The manic]

On 23/02/2018 at 7:20 AM, MajarTheLion said:

What's wrong with preachers becoming filthy rich? Have any of them in your list taken vows of poverty I haven't heard about. I detect a little jealousy and anti-Christian bigotry.

 

I guess I'm different from you. I don't begrudge others for working hard and becoming successful. Take Rick Warren, for example. He's a very successful author. Good for him. What is he supposed to do to escape your obvious hatred?

it is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. 

[canuckamuck]

43 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Yes, i guess they did, like your other imaginary friend tells you things. You hijacked this thread quoting bible and verse when it is not a religious thread. It is about someone dying, someone that used a 2000 year old con to garner influence and power and you use the same con to justify Graham as leading a good and virtuous life! There are lots of Bible reading forums out there, nobody to convert here, move on.

I never quoted chapter and verse I simply defended Graham's legacy. Mostly against claims of antisemitism.

Other people brought scripture in to it.

 

PS. Any thread about Billy Graham is going to have some religious content eh?

[KC 71]

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