U.S. gun lobby slams anti-gun 'elites' after Florida school massacre

[lannarebirth]

29 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

 

 Schools as gun-free zones are simply the weakest link. 

 

 

I think schools are the weakest link, not because they are gun-free zones but instead because those who can be found there have only partially developed minds that lack reasoning abilities. Minds that are further crippled by being on social media every minute of the day from the time they wake up in the morning till the moment they fall asleep at night. I don't think any of us would recognize high school life as it exists today compared to what we have known.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/undercover-high-smartphones-2018-2

 

 

[alanrchase]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Thank god for the NRA and American citizens who can walk upright. In a free country, there are various tuypes of savages. Some kill with cars. Some kill with knives. Some kill with blunt objects. Some kill with guns. The problem is the savages, not the inanimate object.

 

What a shame there are so many empty skulls who don't understand such basic concepts.

 

In this Florida shooting case, once again there were numerous warning signs government hacks ignored. Because of the deranged evil perpetrator and the incompetence of the government hacks who could have and should have done something, people died.

 

Does anyone really believe raising the rifle purchase age limit to 21 would have prevented this evil lunatic from doing what he did? If you believe that, I think it's time I tell you about some wonderful business opportunities you'll definitely want to invest in.

Exactly. Who can forget the Bowling Green mass stabbing incident. 

[The Old Bull]

The US military are over one million strong. The idea of a militia of religious nutters and gun freaks could put up any effective opposition is ludicrous. The whole second amendment needs to by scrapped.

[JAG]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you are apparently British ( from your post ) as vehicles are apparently the weapon of choice in the UK, are you advocating banning cars? I know you'll say not, but that is as valid a point of discussion as proposing to ban semi auto rifles when they have been used in very few mass killings in the US? The vast majority are carried out with handguns.

Many people own actual military weapons in Switzerland and keep them at home, yet they have, far as I know, no mass shootings. The reason for the US situation exists more, IMO, in the American psych than in the availability of weapons.

Either deal with the reality of nutters with weapons, or live in some mythical world where removing any category of weapon in the US will usher in a "perfect world".

Perhaps you might look at my post again. I am suggesting that semi automatic military style weapons be removed from US society, as they have been in the UK. They have no sporting or hunting use, they are designed for one purpose only, to kill a lot of people in a short time. Removing them will go a long way to removing the problem of "nutters with weapons".

 

Personally, and I speak as a retired long serving professional soldier, I have long since concluded that the desire to own such a weapon is indicative of, if not a desire to then certainly a wish to be able to use it for it's intended purpose. They have no place in any society in the hands of private citizens.

[boomerangutang]

4 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

The US military are over one million strong. The idea of a militia of religious nutters and gun freaks could put up any effective opposition is ludicrous. The whole second amendment needs to by scrapped.

Not sure I agree it needs to be scrapped, but certainly re-written.  

If serious legislative efforts get focused on re-writing the 2nd Amendment, that's when hordes of redneck gun-lovers will grab their military weapons and start shooting in ernest.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

Perhaps you might look at my post again. I am suggesting that semi automatic military style weapons be removed from US society, as they have been in the UK. They have no sporting or hunting use, they are designed for one purpose only, to kill a lot of people in a short time. Removing them will go a long way to removing the problem of "nutters with weapons".

 

Personally, and I speak as a retired long serving professional soldier, I have long since concluded that the desire to own such a weapon is indicative of, if not a desire to then certainly a wish to be able to use it for it's intended purpose. They have no place in any society in the hands of private citizens.

If a gang of people that mean me harm come to kill me, which is a very real possibility in my country, I want the means to defend myself, and we are banned from owning handguns. A bolt action rifle just doesn't do the job.

[spidermike007]

It has become increasingly clear, that the NRA is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. By continuing with their policies, they essentially support the massacre of civilians, and will stop at nothing to continue their insane support for automatic rifles, the ownership of rifles by 18 year olds, and are resisting calls for deep background checks.

 

The NRA are perhaps the most corrosive and dangerous organization in America today. They need to be stopped. They need to be taken out. Period. End of story. The time has come. They have outlived their usefulness. They are a boil on the face of America. 

 

The best way for Americans, who profess patriotism to their nation, to express that so called loyalty, is to not vote for any politician who accepts even one dollar from this heinous organization. They are a mafia. I am fine with someone being able to purchase a hunting rifle, or a pistol for self defense. With a deep background check. Gun shows need to be stopped tomorrow. 97% of the guns in the US, that are owned by civilians, are owned by 3% of the population. That is the very definition of a broken nation.

 

And did anyone notice that Trump was visited by an NRA lobbyist the day after the shooting? Those fools should not be allowed within 10 miles of the very white house. Trump has sold his soul to the highest bidder. That much is clear to anyone with any vision or understanding. Drain the swamp? How about re-populate it with his own crocodiles. The master of BS continues his crusade of lies.

[mike324]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Does anyone really believe raising the rifle purchase age limit to 21 would have prevented this evil lunatic from doing what he did? If you believe that, I think it's time I tell you about some wonderful business opportunities you'll definitely want to invest in.

 

Well this boy was has a history of mental heath problem, Trump rolled back Obamas law regarding to folks with mental health problem cannot owned guns. And in a meeting with the students just the other day, he promise strict background checks and even commented that those with mental health problems shouldn't own guns. What a hypocrite! 

 

We do not need more guns in schools, this will just lead to more accidents. There will be teachers who may go on a rampage, there may be students who steal the teachers guns, there will be accidents with guns going off in the class, and many more.

[mtls2005]

Two relevant speeches from CPAC: Dana Loesch and Wayne LaPierre

 

 

 

 

[Stocky]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

Mr LaPierre is barking at the moon.

He's certainly barking. The whole lot of them are.
The US is a different planet.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Thank god for the NRA and American citizens who can walk upright. In a free country, there are various tuypes of savages. Some kill with cars. Some kill with knives. Some kill with blunt objects. Some kill with guns. The problem is the savages, not the inanimate object.

 

What a shame there are so many empty skulls who don't understand such basic concepts.

 

In this Florida shooting case, once again there were numerous warning signs government hacks ignored. Because of the deranged evil perpetrator and the incompetence of the government hacks who could have and should have done something, people died.

 

Does anyone really believe raising the rifle purchase age limit to 21 would have prevented this evil lunatic from doing what he did? If you believe that, I think it's time I tell you about some wonderful business opportunities you'll definitely want to invest in.

It is you who doesn't understand the basics of gun control. It works in every country but you just love your guns more than the kids. Guns are made to kill. The school cop had a gun and he was nowhere to be seen. Waiting for the next mass school killing and the same pathetic excuses. 

[jvs]

48 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

The US military are over one million strong. The idea of a militia of religious nutters and gun freaks could put up any effective opposition is ludicrous. The whole second amendment needs to by scrapped.

Yes of course you are right.What stupid government does allow people to have weapons so they can fight this same government?

[lannarebirth]

Just now, jvs said:

Yes of course you are right.What stupid government does allow people to have weapons so they can fight this same government?

That ship has sailed. At this juncture the citizens primary protections will lie in the establishment of term limits, campaign finance reform and much expanded citizen involvement in government oversight at all levels.

[Becker]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If a gang of people that mean me harm come to kill me, which is a very real possibility in my country, I want the means to defend myself, and we are banned from owning handguns. A bolt action rifle just doesn't do the job.

What it it's not a gang but a mob a thousand strong? The AR-15 just wouldn't do it. You would actually need a tank to take out those guys. Happy for private citizens to own a tank or where exactly do you draw the line?

[lannarebirth]

Just now, jvs said:

Yes of course you are right.What stupid government does allow people to have weapons so they can fight this same government?

That ship has sailed. At this juncture the citizen's primary protections will lie in the establishment of term limits, campaign finance reform and much expanded citizen involvement in government oversight at all levels. Maybe mandatory voting too.

[buick]

i'm an american and arming teachers as the solution to this problem is likely the dumbest thing i've heard in my life.  building the wall is up there also but not even close to the arming of teachers. 

[JAG]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

Not sure I agree it needs to be scrapped, but certainly re-written.  

If serious legislative efforts get focused on re-writing the 2nd Amendment, that's when hordes of redneck gun-lovers will grab their military weapons and start shooting in ernest.

Well quite obviously, steps must be taken to ensure that everyone called Ernest is armed!

A 21st Century codicil to the "Importance of being Ernest"!

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Sorry about that - after all the suggestion is sufficiently banal to almost be NRA policy!

[Somchai Logic]

"Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms so they can eradicate all individual freedoms."

 

The fact that these morons join these far-reaching dots is why there will never be a civilized, rational, logical discussion. Imagine sitting in a room with these Cowboys making valid arguments, you'd be shot by the 2nd or 3rd Fact Bomb you drop.

No point bringing a Logical Knife to an Emotional Gunfight... 

[malibukid]

happiness is a warm gun mama

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

What it it's not a gang but a mob a thousand strong? The AR-15 just wouldn't do it. You would actually need a tank to take out those guys. Happy for private citizens to own a tank or where exactly do you draw the line?

Now you are being silly. Why would a mob a thousand strong attack me? A gang of a few bad people attacks people all the time- home invasions etc.

I want to be able to protect myself from an entirely possible situation, one that does happen.

[sungod]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now you are being silly. Why would a mob a thousand strong attack me? A gang of a few bad people attacks people all the time- home invasions etc.

I want to be able to protect myself from an entirely possible situation, one that does happen.

Thats fair enough in a balanced debate, but what type of weapon would you need, how many of these weapons would you need, how many rounds of ammunition do you think you would need?

[FritsSikkink]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Now you are being silly. Why would a mob a thousand strong attack me? A gang of a few bad people attacks people all the time- home invasions etc.

I want to be able to protect myself from an entirely possible situation, one that does happen.

Why would a gang of people attack you, sounds like a silly excuse to keep your guns.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, mike324 said:

 

Well this boy was has a history of mental heath problem, Trump rolled back Obamas law regarding to folks with mental health problem cannot owned guns. And in a meeting with the students just the other day, he promise strict background checks and even commented that those with mental health problems shouldn't own guns. What a hypocrite! 

 

We do not need more guns in schools, this will just lead to more accidents. There will be teachers who may go on a rampage, there may be students who steal the teachers guns, there will be accidents with guns going off in the class, and many more.

Do you know why he rescinded Obama's broad brush law on mental ill possessing guns? 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, sungod said:

Thats fair enough in a balanced debate, but what type of weapon would you need, how many of these weapons would you need, how many rounds of ammunition do you think you would need?

One semi automatic rifle, and 3 or 4 30 round mags should be enough to hold off a few bad people in my house, till ( hopefully ) the police arrived.

Edited February 23, 2018 by thaibeachlovers

[Somchai Logic]

 

Just tried to watch this. I couldn't finish it.

What Planet is this Moron from.

If this is what he and his constituents truly believe to be a rational and logical argument. God Help America.

Up until I started watching this I foolishly believed there just might possibly be a 'reasonable' discussion tabled. Clearly, that is impossible if this is the NRA's mindset.

Never ever enter into a Battle of Wits with an unarmed opponent 

[sungod]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One semi automatic rifle, and 3 or 4 30 round mags should be enough to hold off a few bad people in my house, till ( hopefully ) the police arrived.

Held by a sane person who has passed solid background checks and posses decent weapon handling skills I would say fair enough, no argument.

 

What needs to be looked at is people who want to own multiple semi automatic weapons and 1000's of rounds of ammunition.

(Your typical white, right wing, bible bashing nut job who likes dressing up in camouflage at weekends  with the rest of the 'militia' who were either turned away by the military of could not hack it in the first place. )

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why would a gang of people attack you, sounds like a silly excuse to keep your guns.

 Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in  North America 

http://www.lockjawsecurity.com/pdf/LockBumpingFactSheet.pdf

 

An estimated 3.7 million burglaries occurred each year on
average from 2003 to 2007.
*A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

Held by a sane person who has passed solid background checks and posses decent weapon handling skills I would say fair enough, no argument.

 

What needs to be looked at is people who want to own multiple semi automatic weapons and 1000's of rounds of ammunition.

(Your typical white, right wing, bible bashing nut job who likes dressing up in camouflage at weekends  with the rest of the 'militia' who were either turned away by the military of could not hack it in the first place. )

I was going to support you on your first paragraph, and then you went and blew it in the second. 

[sungod]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I was going to support you on your first paragraph, and then you went and blew it in the second. 

Man, dont tell me you are one of those nutters too?

[Somchai Logic]

1 minute ago, sungod said:

Man, dont tell me you are one of those nutters too?

I believe he just did