Reentry Permit...clarification

[uncleeagle]

• If you have a Non Immigrant Visa and leave the country on a re-entry permit, your 90-day check-in count restarts at ‘Day 1’ when you re-enter Thailand.

This is what it says on one of the websites advising on the reentry permit and it suggests to me that if, say, you leave on a re-entry permit with 45 days remaining of a 90 day non-O (as an example) then when returning that you would still have 45 days even if away for a couple of weeks, i.e., the count of 90 days would stop when leaving and begin again when returning.

 

And quite a few posts on Thaivisa also state that is how it works.

 

In fact, this is totally wrong. All a reentry permit does is permit reentry, it does not alter the end date of the existing visa. If you left today on a reentry permit and your existing visa is till April 20, say, and you come back on April 17, then you would have 3 days before you would have to leave. Or if you have 45 days remaining on a non-O, say, and you leave for 30 days, then you have only 15 days remaining, the count does NOT somehow stop when you exit and restart when you reenter, as suggested on different websites as well as responses to questions on this forum, answers by so called experts who clearly do not understand and who are misleading people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

12 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

If you have a Non Immigrant Visa and leave the country on a re-entry permit, your 90-day check-in count restarts at ‘Day 1’ when you re-enter Thailand.

That is in reference to reports of staying longer than 90 days in the country at immigration if you have a visa entry or extension of stay that allows you to stay longer than 90 days not a 90 day entry from a visa.

 

A re-entry permit only keeps the remainder of the 90 day entry valid when you enter the country.

[uncleeagle]

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is in reference to reports of staying longer than 90 days in the country at immigration if you have a visa entry or extension of stay that allows you to stay longer than 90 days not a 90 day entry from a visa.

 

A re-entry permit only keeps the remainder of the 90 day entry valid when you enter the country.

UBONJOE...WRONG

 

If you have 30 days remaining when you leave and you are away for 25 days then you have only 5 days remaining. The remainder when you left is NOT preserved.

[overherebc]

Once again.

To the OP.

Do you have a non imm' visa or an extension of stay?

Att' is an extension of stay. Not a visa.

[Eff1n2ret]

The 90-day reporting requirement operates independently of your permission to stay. My last 90-day report was due on 8th February, my 1-year retirement extension expiring on 21st Feb - so I went in on the 8th and did both. I now have a new extension until 21st Feb next year, my next 90-day report is on 8th May.

[uncleeagle]

overeherbc, i am talking about a reentry permit, specifically of a non-O. The advice being given everywhere is that the reentry somehow acts as a kind of extension in the sense that the number of days remaining when you leave on the rerentry permit is then kept so that you have the same number of days remaining when you later return. In fact that is NOT true and the advice being given here and on many websites including the AOT sire, is WRONG. The end date on the initial visa is unaltered, you still have to leave on that specific date even if you leave on a reentry permit.

[ubonjoe]

29 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

If you have 30 days remaining when you leave and you are away for 25 days then you have only 5 days remaining. The remainder when you left is NOT preserved.

That is the same as I wrote.

 

41 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

A re-entry permit only keeps the remainder of the 90 day entry valid when you enter the country.

The 5 days is the remainder of the 90 day entry you had.

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

overeherbc, i am talking about a reentry permit, specifically of a non-O. The advice being given everywhere is that the reentry somehow acts as a kind of extension in the sense that the number of days remaining when you leave on the rerentry permit is then kept so that you have the same number of days remaining when you later return. In fact that is NOT true and the advice being given here and on many websites including the AOT sire, is WRONG. The end date on the initial visa is unaltered, you still have to leave on that specific date even if you leave on a reentry permit.

Non O visas are either single entry or mulyi entry. ie  90 days or 365 days.

If you have a single entry 90 day you will only keep the remaining days if you use a re-entry permit.

If you have a multi entry you 'must' leave and return every 90 days and do not need a re-entry permit.

Which one do you have?

[uncleeagle]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That is the same as I wrote.

 

The 5 days is the remainder of the 90 day entry you had.

actually its not what you wrote and its not what is written in many of the visa advice/service websites that i have looked at. you and all of these websites say it is the number of days remaining that are preserved whereas in fact it is the expiry date only that is preserved, i.e, the remaining days of permitted stay within thailand would be reduced by the number of days spent outside the country.

[BritTim]

3 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

actually its not what you wrote and its not what is written in many of the visa advice/service websites that i have looked at. you and all of these websites say it is the number of days remaining that are preserved whereas in fact it is the expiry date only that is preserved, i.e, the remaining days of permitted stay within thailand would be reduced by the number of days spent outside the country.

While it could be better worded, the intended meaning is your correct understanding. A better wording (and the way I always explain it to people) is that a re-entry permit keeps your existing permission to stay (with any extension if any) intact and unchanged when you leave Thailand and subsequently return. The effect is as if you had never left.

[Phuket Man]

7 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

actually its not what you wrote and its not what is written in many of the visa advice/service websites that i have looked at. you and all of these websites say it is the number of days remaining that are preserved whereas in fact it is the expiry date only that is preserved, i.e, the remaining days of permitted stay within thailand would be reduced by the number of days spent outside the country.

Ubonjoe is 100% percent correct.

[uncleeagle]

1 minute ago, BritTim said:

While it could be better worded, the intended meaning is your correct understanding. A better wording (and the way I always explain it to people) is that a re-entry permit keeps your existing permission to stay (with any extension if any) intact and unchanged when you leave Thailand and subsequently return. The effect is as if you had never left.

well, atleast what you said isnt in effect the opposite of the truth which has been the case on everything else i have read. but why not just say it in a way that isnt confusing, is totally unambiguous and not open to misinterpretion? it doesn't have to be legalese. that way would be to simply say the reentry permit permits reentry under the original visa and with the end date unchanged. 

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, BritTim said:

While it could be better worded, the intended meaning is your correct understanding. A better wording (and the way I always explain it to people) is that a re-entry permit keeps your existing permission to stay (with any extension if any) intact and unchanged when you leave Thailand and subsequently return. The effect is as if you had never left.

Would be nice is people started these threads with,

I have . 1. a single entry non Imm visa issued in   xxxxxx

            2. a multi entry non Imm' visa issued in   xxxxxxxxx

            3.  an extension of stay and do 90 day reports at my local Imm' office.

Just sayin. ?

[uncleeagle]

7 minutes ago, Phuket Man said:

Ubonjoe is 100% percent correct.

he is 100% correct if i ignore his wording and assume he meant what i explained in my post

[yuiop]

56 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

UBONJOE...WRONG

 

If you have 30 days remaining when you leave and you are away for 25 days then you have only 5 days remaining. The remainder when you left is NOT preserved.

oh dear, don't you dare it, UJ is the Bible on those technical stuff

[Cletus]

8 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

he is 100% correct if i ignore his wording and assume he meant what i explained in my post

There's no if. Sorry

[tonray]

it sounds like you are confusing 90 day reporting with permission to stay

[overherebc]

Reading the OP's first paragraph just confirms that only 99% of the web sites call everything a visa, and generally are wrong in only 99% of all cases regarding Imm' information.

[lopburi3]

43 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

overeherbc, i am talking about a reentry permit, specifically of a non-O. The advice being given everywhere is that the reentry somehow acts as a kind of extension in the sense that the number of days remaining when you leave on the rerentry permit is then kept so that you have the same number of days remaining when you later return. In fact that is NOT true and the advice being given here and on many websites including the AOT sire, is WRONG. The end date on the initial visa is unaltered, you still have to leave on that specific date even if you leave on a reentry permit.

90 day address reporting has nothing to do with your allowed stay - it is a report to immigration after you stay in country 90 days and every 90 days thereafter.  If you depart/return on a re-entry permit you are stamped in until the same date your stay allowed prior to exit.  But for 90 day address reporting the period starts again as you have just returned (this has nothing to do with your allowed stay).  What is said on this forum is exactly what I have written above and is correct.

[glegolo]

25 minutes ago, yuiop said:

oh dear, don't you dare it, UJ is the Bible on those technical stuff

Yeah but it takes either a drunk one, OR a non educated one to question U.Joe... I hope this guy will learn from this, but he seems to be completely stuck in his own ways... stubborn one can say..

 

glegolo

[BritTim]

32 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Would be nice is people started these threads with,

I have . 1. a single entry non Imm visa issued in   xxxxxx

            2. a multi entry non Imm' visa issued in   xxxxxxxxx

            3.  an extension of stay and do 90 day reports at my local Imm' office.

Just sayin. ?

Come now, seeing which of us can guess right about what an OP means is part of the fun of participating on this board!   Admittedly, what you suggest would greatly improve the chances of their getting correct advice (always depending on who is online at the time, of course).

[uncleeagle]

26 minutes ago, Cletus said:

There's no if. Sorry

oh ok, he was just wrong then,i  will take back the if and its implication of a benefit of the doubt

[overherebc]

36 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Reading the OP's first paragraph just confirms that only 99% of the web sites call everything a visa, and generally are wrong in only 99% of all cases regarding Imm' information.

Should add TV is the exception.

I was talking about the visa agents and legal 'help' sites.

[Mattd]

2 hours ago, uncleeagle said:

If you have a Non Immigrant Visa and leave the country on a re-entry permit, your 90-day check-in count restarts at ‘Day 1’ when you re-enter Thailand.

This is 100% correct and would only apply to those who are on an extension of stay, it would not apply to to those on a non immigrant visa, as the holder is only permitted to stay for 90 days per time anyway and therefore not required to make a 90 day report.

 

Otherwise your understanding is correct and it is very clearly stated on the reentry permit, as the date that it is valid to is the same date as the original permission to stay, regardless of what visa or extension of stay the person is on.

All the reentry permit is allowing you to do, is leave and enter Thailand during the original period that you were allowed to stay in Thailand for.

[CharlesSwann]

49 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

90 day address reporting has nothing to do with your allowed stay - it is a report to immigration after you stay in country 90 days and every 90 days thereafter.  If you depart/return on a re-entry permit you are stamped in until the same date your stay allowed prior to exit.  But for 90 day address reporting the period starts again as you have just returned (this has nothing to do with your allowed stay).  What is said on this forum is exactly what I have written above and is correct.

The confusion in this thread (I think) is whether a new 90 day period starts, or whether the previous 90 day period resumes, on coming in after a re-entry permit.

 

Just for absolute unambiguous clarification, when you say "the period starts again", you do mean that a new 90 day period starts, from day one, after coming back in on a re-entry permit? That at least is how I've always understood it - Chaeng Wattana have told me quite clearly that this is the case - and I have never had any problem.

 

The ambiguity is that some people might think you mean "the period re-starts again".

 

Edit: sorry, corrected my garbled negatives.

 

[Mattd]

1 minute ago, CharlesSwann said:

The confusion in this thread (I think) is whether a new 90 day period starts, or whether the previous 90 day period resumes, on coming in after a re-entry permit.

The confusion is that a new 90 day REPORTING period does start again after a new entry in to Thailand on a reentry permit (or an O-A visa first year) the actual permission to stay period would remain as it was originally, that part doesn't change.

[lopburi3]

5 minutes ago, CharlesSwann said:

The confusion in this thread (I think) is whether a new 90 day period starts, or whether the previous 90 day period resumes, on coming in after a re-entry permit.

 

Just for absolute unambiguous clarification, when you say "the period starts again", you do mean that a new 90 day period starts, from day one, after coming back in on a re-entry permit? That at least is how I've always understood it - Chaeng Wattana have told me quite clearly that the latter is not the case - and I have never had any problem.

 

The ambiguity is that some people might think you mean "the period re-starts again".

 

The address reporting period indeed does restart again - as said this has nothing to do with visa/permitted to say time - this is a report of being in the country 90 continuous days so obviously any exit/return will restart that 90 day count.  If you do not stay a full 90 days there is no 90 day address report due.

[overherebc]

33 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

The address reporting period indeed does restart again - as said this has nothing to do with visa/permitted to say time - this is a report of being in the country 90 continuous days so obviously any exit/return will restart that 90 day count.  If you do not stay a full 90 days there is no 90 day address report due.

The stamp at the airport acts as a 90 day report.

[lopburi3]

6 minutes ago, overherebc said:

The stamp at the airport acts as a 90 day report.

The exit stamp has nothing to do with 90 day report - there is no 90 day address report due unless you stay longer than 90 days.  The only thing, other than a TM47, that counts as a 90 day report is your first extension of stay.

 

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

The exit stamp has nothing to do with 90 day report - there is no 90 day address report due unless you stay longer than 90 days.  The only thing, other than a TM47, that counts as a 90 day report is your first extension of stay.

 

who mentioned exit? when you re-enter the stamp in re-sets the 90 day reporting so in effect it's as though you have done a 90 day report as far as dates go.