Two American women held in Thailand after allegedly caught with fake US dollars

[Makara]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

That would depend on whether the source of those reports comes from their GFM page or whether they are independent reports

   Do post the other two links, so that we can see the source of those stories

Non-biased journalists (real journalists--there is rules you know) do not report stories based on one source or a bunch of "hearsay". You  are being ridiculous. They were arrested. For two people to have no criminal background, to you thinking they made all this up, then plotted to post this on social media (fb) just to start a gofundme (where family, friends and loved ones are donating--mostly) is beyond words. Quite honestly you are not being fair or rational. 

[Crash999]

7 hours ago, Makara said:

Non-biased journalists (real journalists--there is rules you know) do not report stories based on one source or a bunch of "hearsay". You  are being ridiculous. They were arrested. For two people to have no criminal background, to you thinking they made all this up, then plotted to post this on social media (fb) just to start a gofundme (where family, friends and loved ones are donating--mostly) is beyond words. Quite honestly you are not being fair or rational. 

If the US local paper that the Coconuts report was based on had actually done some investigation they would have realized that Sihanoukville is located in Cambodia not Thailand. 

 

The reason for the mistake is that this info came from an interview with the boyfriend. He said this in an update and also that he cancelled a TV interview after advice from a lawyer. 

[sanemax]

7 hours ago, Makara said:

Non-biased journalists (real journalists--there is rules you know) do not report stories based on one source or a bunch of "hearsay"

Apart from their home town journalist , who reported on this story from the otherside of the world (and without even speaking to the girls, as they were supposedly in jail) , which other journalist has reported on this ? I previously gave you the contact details of CM local newspaper and you said that you would contact them and tell them about this story . What became of that ?

 

[Mattd]

8 hours ago, Makara said:

Non-biased journalists (real journalists--there is rules you know) do not report stories based on one source or a bunch of "hearsay".

@Makara this is exactly the issue and one of the very reasons that this thread has the theme it has.

Please think logically about your own statement quoted above and then ask yourself why is it that none of the Thai or US national media have reported this at all, perhaps because they have investigated and found there is nothing to report?

 

I have no idea if the girls are guilty or innocent of a GFM scam, however, what I do know, after nearly 30 years of living in Thailand, is that this would have made the mainstream media, of that I am in no doubt, Thailand loves to parade this type of thing to the world.

In fact I was the first to raise this lack of hard reporting in this thread.

 

I am also of the opinion that GFM and the likes should not be used for raising money for things like this, if it is as painted and the girls made the mistake of trying to change fake money, then they should pay for their own mistakes, we all should be responsible for our own mistakes, it is part of life.

Now if their family and friends wish to help with legal costs etc. then this is fine and their prerogative, to ask complete strangers to donate their hard earned cash to help is IMHO not right in instances such as this and that cash should be used for those who truly do need it.

Edited March 8, 2018 by Mattd

[smx1313]

17 hours ago, sanemax said:

The "venom " from the girls camp , along with the FB death threats , has been just as, if not more severe than the questionners

Please.

A person attacked by anonymous strangers fights back and you call foul?

 

You're actually reasoning that being hostile to attackers who deliberately set out to punish and harass someone in distress, who  has nothing to do with the incident, is a more severe offense than the attack? 

 

I believe you are, as the British say, "Taking the Piss".

 

 

[Mattd]

1 hour ago, Mattd said:

@Makara this is exactly the issue and one of the very reasons that this thread has the theme it has.

Please think logically about your own statement quoted above and then ask yourself why is it that none of the Thai or US national media have reported this at all, perhaps because they have investigated and found there is nothing to report?

I will add, in fairness to the girls, that this also does work in their favour scam wise, as if the national media did investigate and found nothing to report, then it also means that in their opinion they found no scam to report either.

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, smx1313 said:

Please.

A person attacked by anonymous strangers fights back and you call foul?

You're actually reasoning that being hostile to attackers who deliberately set out to punish and harass someone in distress, who  has nothing to do with the incident, is a more severe offense than the attack? 

I believe you are, as the British say, "Taking the Piss".

 

I havent "attacked" anyone though .

Some people feel that disagreeing with them , is "attacking" them .

I am just discussing the subject matter and I have no intention and havent punished or harassed anyone .

   My point was that I have received more abuse than I have given .

Anyway, lets not get into a petty squabble and lets stick to the subject matter

[Makara]

Sanemax (and others) have tried to say that they believe the ladies have made up finding money, planting that statement on fb, pretending to be arrested in Thailand, only because they could start a gofundme to scam people out of their money. Just for one second, think about that insane speculation. Now maybe this could happen easily in Thailand--IDk--but what I do know is it is close to impossible for that to happen in this situation. And really, why would anyone put themselves through this kind of scrutiny? 

 

I have heard various reasons as to the possible "why" it hasn't hit mainstream media yet. The fact it hasn't hit main stream media, does not mean it is not true; their arrest. Nobody in their right mind would lie to all of their family members and close friends about this. Furthermore, the strangers that choose to donate to gofundme actually search out gofundme situations to donate money to--by their own choosing. It is called "paying it forward"... cause they can, and want to. Most who have donated have ties to them.

 

I get what may occur to come on here as an American woman who is standing up to the insanity of made up possible situations, and therefore fighting against it. I am not scared of that--and think I have kept my cool for the most part. 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Makara said:

Sanemax (and others) have tried to say that they believe the ladies have made up finding money, planting that statement on fb, pretending to be arrested in Thailand, only because they could start a gofundme to scam people out of their money. Just for one second, think about that insane speculation. Now maybe this could happen easily in Thailand--IDk--but what I do know is it is close to impossible for that to happen in this situation. And really, why would anyone put themselves through this kind of scrutiny? 

US $150 000 ?

Why would it be impossible to happen ?

Edited March 8, 2018 by sanemax
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[giddyup]

2 minutes ago, Makara said:

Sanemax (and others) have tried to say that they believe the ladies have made up finding money, planting that statement on fb, pretending to be arrested in Thailand, only because they could start a gofundme to scam people out of their money. Just for one second, think about that insane speculation. Now maybe this could happen easily in Thailand--IDk--but what I do know is it is close to impossible for that to happen in this situation. And really, why would anyone put themselves through this kind of scrutiny?

What kind of scrutiny? Are you talking about all the theorising on this forum? Besides here, who else is scrutinising them?

[Makara]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

What kind of scrutiny? Are you talking about all the theorising on this forum? Besides here, who else is scrutinising them?

Scrutiny across the board. 

[Makara]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

What kind of scrutiny? Are you talking about all the theorising on this forum? Besides here, who else is scrutinising them?

Scrutiny across the board. 

[giddyup]

Just now, Makara said:

Scrutiny across the board. 

Be specific.

[Makara]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Be specific.

I am trying to figure out why you only narrowed in on the word scrutiny from my last post, and nothing else. It seems useless to be specific and argue my points with you. They have been scrutinized from strangers from various places on various social medias. Across the board means exactly that, from every angle. 

[sanemax]

Just now, Makara said:

I am trying to figure out why you only narrowed in on the word scrutiny from my last post, and nothing else. It seems useless to be specific and argue my points with you. They have been scrutinized from strangers from various places on various social medias. Across the board means exactly that, from every angle. 

Apart from this thread on TV and their personal pages , where else has this been scrutinised ?

[jackdd]

12 hours ago, champers said:

I should think so too. The police cannot be expected to respond to random requests for information from any member of the public with no connection to the case.

And as i wrote back then already: If you look up Tourist police on Google you find the callcenter number, i assumed this was the number that the other member called, they do of course not know anything or will tell anything (Probably you end up somewhere in Bangkok). After i realized this i also posted the direct number of the Tourist Police in Chiang Mai who i called and who confirmed it. So if anybody else want to give it a try, the number can be found a few pages back in one of my posts

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

And as i wrote back then already: If you look up Tourist police on Google you find the callcenter number, i assumed this was the number that the other member called, they do of course not know anything or will tell anything (Probably you end up somewhere in Bangkok). After i realized this i also posted the direct number of the Tourist Police in Chiang Mai who i called and who confirmed it. So if anybody else want to give it a try, the number can be found a few pages back in one of my posts

Could you repost the number , I shall give them a call .

 

[jackdd]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Could you repost the number , I shall give them a call .

 

Lazy people here

Direct number Chiang Mai Tourist Police: 053212147

[KneeDeep]

3 minutes ago, Makara said:

I am trying to figure out why you only narrowed in on the word scrutiny from my last post, and nothing else. It seems useless to be specific and argue my points with you. They have been scrutinized from strangers from various places on various social medias. Across the board means exactly that, from every angle. 

 

I'm trying to figure out why you still posting here.

Nothing have been scrutinised. Just more than one thousand posts full of conjecture.

If people want to think it is a scam, why should you care?

Surely you should be more concerned as to the welfare of known persons and the circumstances of what occurred.

You seem to be spending to much time arguing over whether the the GoFundme begging page is a scam or not.

Frankly the whole thing is misguided. Even more so the totally ridiculous; https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-release-misty-and-danniel/c

 

The whole thing is an embarrassment to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence.

Sadly it seems that many of those involved have barely evolved beyond hay chewing and banjo plucking, looking at the atrocious attempts at writing.

Why you appear to have hitched your wagon to a train of apparent hillbillies staggers belief.

 

 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Lazy people here

Direct number Chiang Mai Tourist Police: 053212147

Thanks .

Could someone do the honours and phone them , as Im out of credit at the momemt .

   Lets get this sorted out once and for all

[KneeDeep]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Thanks .

Could someone do the honours and phone them , as Im out of credit at the momemt .

   Lets get this sorted out once and for all

 

Both DTAC and Truemove H allow you to borrow credit.

 

http://help.mobiletopup.com/knowledge-base/can-i-get-a-loan-when-i-have-no-credit/

[newatthis]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Thanks .

Could someone do the honours and phone them , as Im out of credit at the momemt .

   Lets get this sorted out once and for all

NO! NO! NO! You're the one continually doubting the veracity of this story. You're the one who asked for the phone number. But NOW you have no credit on your phone. Go get some and make the call yourself and report back to this forum.

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Thanks .

Could someone do the honours and phone them , as Im out of credit at the momemt .

   Lets get this sorted out once and for all

How hard is it to put some credit on your phone?

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

How hard is it to put some credit on your phone?

Somebody should start a GFM, let's give him a little help

[newatthis]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Somebody should start a GFM, let's give him a little help

Maybe a scam; maybe not! Let's open with 5 baht.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, newatthis said:

Maybe a scam; maybe not! Let's open with 5 baht.

I will need US$40 000 for bail and US$150 000 for Lawyers fees , I'm flying a good Lawyer over from the USA

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

Somebody should start a GFM, let's give him a little help

Maybe there is some dirt on the keys and he can't read the numbers

[sanemax]

I did telephone them 

[sanemax]

^Look , theres proof that I telephoned them . 

Its written on the internet .

What more proof do you need ?

[thadvert]

It's simple, these women are running an elaborately choreographed scam which they are trying ot keep out of the local and national news. What @Makara fails to realize is that fake news sites in the USA are quite common and actually have become quite a problem, facebook has even gone on record to say they are combatting fake news being shared on their platform. I mean any person unrelated to the story can only analyze that which has been posted on facebook and gofundme.

I'm not sure why Makara in his/her infinite wisdom has taken it upon themselves to become the champioin of these girls on a foreign forum, does anyone else find this odd? They come in telling a bunch of local strangers that they "know" one of the girls and that this is reason enough to allay all doubts about the veracity of the story. Makara also has the audacity to tell everyone that is reading that gofundme scams are nearly impossible (false) and that these girls have no criminal record (citation needed) and are not running an elaborate scam to fraud family members/loved ones out of thousands of dollars in this scary situation (citation needed). 

Many posters have tried to reason with her, but all accusations or questions regarding even the unverifiable fact that these girls were arrested are met with anger and name-calling. As if this random internet stranger had any concern in the world what a random friend of a criminal thought about them.

The fact that these arrogant americans are only sorry because they got caught, speaks loads about their character without any input needed from the Tourist police or friends back home who think they wouldn't hurt a fly.

If these criminals had posted anything leading up to their alleged arrest that had any moral value, I may believe Makara that it was an honest mistake. They are travelling through very poor countries, yet do you see one post in their facebook about helping the needy? Do they plan to take this $1000 gift from the universe and "pay it forward" themselves? No! They plan to keep it for themselves and celebrate with a $5/night beach bungalow. Their entire facebook is a narcissistic train wreck, even before they found this gift from the all-loving universe. Not one post is about them recognizing the poor conditions around them, instead they lounge on the beach and lament food poisoning, they go to jungle parties that last long into the night and make fun of local bartenders for not knowing how to make obscure american drinks. These angels are deceivers and they have gone as far to deceive their family members and friends with gofundme campaigns to raise money for their bail and lawyers, without one ounce of concern for the damage they could have caused to a local money changer or a person that truly lost $1000 in Cambodia (if it were real money).

I will not deign to make my own assumptions on what is really going on behind the curtain in this situation. These women are morally bankrupt and the vicious defense against any naysayers by their friends or family is a good indicator of their own characters as well.

I fear that they will return home without any repercussions for their "honest mistake" and go on believing that they are simply unlucky, while they continue to worship themselves on their social media pages while everyone they know congratulates them for escaping the evil clutches of a foreign prison. I hate to wish evil on any human, but the universe needs to get involved in their sentencing and make sure the judge is aware of the blackness of their souls, so that he has no compunction when he delivers the maximum penalty for their actions.