Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[beautifulthailand99]

3 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

Norway voted not to join with a big turnout in voters,lucky we didnt join.Just Leave.We do fine without.

you're in it though just the payments and no voting rights - Jacob Rees-Mogg's nightmare vision ......and anyway you're a rich virtually socialist country with a puritan ethic. Remember being in Stavanger years ago and watching cable telly in the room - there was a censored porn channel - and the censored it by having a big black square that allow for probably a 10% border. In that border from time to time some hard-core porno action would appear. Thought that was a strange way to go about censoring. My mind could make up the other 90%. That and everybody left work at exactly the same time - the carpark would empty in an orderly queue at exactly 4.30.  And then went drinking for a business dinner in the evening - god you guys were mental. Plain and simple. Skol !

 

Oh and you have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world which you seem unable to spend and crippling taxes. A nanny state is what we would call it in the UK. Oh and prisons that are luxurious hotels far better than the homes of most Brits. An interesting way to run a country to be sure. ??? 

Edited May 21, 2018 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

you are blinding them with reality, doesn't quite fit in with the brexiteers simple view of the world, which is good, it's fine, it just isn't real.

very true they have a magic fag packet and pencil (nay probably crayons) which sorts out all the meddlesome detail. And a wave of that magic Brexit wand all is fine and dandy - soon the Brexit unicorn will roam the land handing out bags of gold to previously unacknowledged  native born Brits as they bow , scrape and doff their British made tweed caps at Lords Moggy,Bo Jo and Farige .....the enlightened ones who led them into the light of a new golden age. Might be a good idea to get a 112 law in place as well just in case the plebs start moaning about Charlie post a Liz sendoff...

[CG1 Blue]

18 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

What is Brexit if not a dream...(sorry should have said nightmare!)...

Being under the control of the EU is the nightmare

[beautifulthailand99]

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I'm pretty sure Farage didn't 'suggest' this option.  Unless you fell for that laughable collage of out of context, heavily edited video clips.

But I'm sure you wouldn't be that naïve...

 

Farage wants the hardest of Brexits. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

 

Yes if you smoke and drink as much as he does it's difficult to get it hard enough to do the business...

[beautifulthailand99]

51 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

grouse..watch your tongue re adressing your superiors.
We are not knuckle draggers nor are we believers in the infamous corrupt eu.

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

remove <knuckle draggers> insert <boneheads>.....

[HAKAPALITA]

16 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

you're in it though just the payments and no voting rights - Jacob Rees-Mogg's nightmare vision ......and anyway you're a rich virtually socialist country with a puritan ethic. Remember being in Stavanger years ago and watching cable telly in the room - there was a censored porn channel - and the censored it by having a big black square that allow for probably a 10% border. In that border from time to time some hard-core porno action would appear. Thought that was a strange way to go about censoring. My mind could make up the other 90%. That and everybody left work at exactly the same time - the carpark would empty in an orderly queue at exactly 4.30.  And then went drinking for a business dinner in the evening - god you guys were mental. Plain and simple. Skol !

 

Oh and you have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world which you seem unable to spend and crippling taxes. A nanny state is what we would call it in the UK. Oh and prisons that are luxurious hotels far better than the homes of most Brits. An interesting way to run a country to be sure. ??? 

Pleased you know more than me.Never had time for politics, too busy workins so i can enjoy a nice life here.I know we spend too much on overpaid ourselvs, it wont last much longer, so we must join EU and live off England like the rest do.So dont leave.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

you're in it though just the payments and no voting rights - Jacob Rees-Mogg's nightmare vision ......and anyway you're a rich virtually socialist country with a puritan ethic. Remember being in Stavanger years ago and watching cable telly in the room - there was a censored porn channel - and the censored it by having a big black square that allow for probably a 10% border. In that border from time to time some hard-core porno action would appear. Thought that was a strange way to go about censoring. My mind could make up the other 90%. That and everybody left work at exactly the same time - the carpark would empty in an orderly queue at exactly 4.30.  And then went drinking for a business dinner in the evening - god you guys were mental. Plain and simple. Skol !

 

Oh and you have one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world which you seem unable to spend and crippling taxes. A nanny state is what we would call it in the UK. Oh and prisons that are luxurious hotels far better than the homes of most Brits. An interesting way to run a country to be sure. ??? 

You've just confirmed why the Norway option is not an option. We wouldn't want not to be able our sovereign wealth fund! ? 

[beautifulthailand99]

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You've just confirmed why the Norway option is not an option. We wouldn't want not to be able our sovereign wealth fund! ? 

We don't have one  - just a huge fiing debt......maybe we should invade them and nick their oil and money. 

[sandyf]

On 5/19/2018 at 8:31 PM, aright said:

No it's not, truth is an absolute value ; its like pregnancy, you are either pregnant or not pregnant you cant be a little bit pregnant. Facts are sometimes coloured by the personalities of the people presenting them. 

 

“There are no facts, only interpretations.” ……………..― Friedrich Nietzsche

Well you learn something new everyday, the Oxford Dictionary has got it wrong.

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I'm pretty sure Farage didn't 'suggest' this option.  Unless you fell for that laughable collage of out of context, heavily edited video clips.

But I'm sure you wouldn't be that naïve...

 

Farage wants the hardest of Brexits. There is absolutely no doubt about that.

 

I think you’re correct, as he is the most knowledgeable Brit, regarding how the E.U is mismanaged. It’s just a pity that remainer Teresa May din’t appoint N.F. as the chief Briexit negotiator. I wonder why.

Edited May 21, 2018 by nontabury

[aright]

30 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Well you learn something new everyday, the Oxford Dictionary has got it wrong.

Unlike Nietzsche, the OD, I don't think, has ever been regarded as one of the most influential of modern thinkers. 

My OD gives one of the meanings of fact as "thing assumed as basis for argument" That fits in nicely with Nietzsche's statement. 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

19 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

The reason that those countries have gotten into debt is mostly because of how they spent their loans, they were development loans and they have mostly spent them on vanity projects.  And when I say the EU has paid their interest, I mean the EU, the budget from the EU countries, obviously there is no other money, obviously it comes from EU taxpayers pockets.

 

I don't deny that referendum, I deny that it is what the British people want today, the result was very close two years ago and all polls indicate that it is no longer what the people want, democracy is not based on a single vote years before, it is based on the will of the people, and that has changed since the referendum.

The referendum was a far greater mandate than any UK general election in living memory. It was debated and agreed in parliament how it would be conducted and it was a once only vote. The PM then went to the EU get a "reform" of the UK-EU deal and came back with a "handbrake" attached to nothing.

What we should be doing is getting behind the decision, not denying it as you are by asking for another vote. The polls have been wrong for the last 5-6 years, why insist on them being correct now?

The negotiations are being sabotaged by all those in the minority.

The EU has to get an equitable deal for its own workers and industries, so why undermine the position.

Do you think Estonia, Latvia and Albania are going to take up the loss of trade with the UK when they join shortly?

 

I agree the southern "states" mostly spent the money unwisely, but now they cannot service the debt. What do you suggest? Have every taxpayer in the Euro Zone give then more money to waste, or see them regain the ability of making their economies work by getting back control of their currency?

 

I say again, Churchill would never have approved of what is happening now. It is starting a revolt even by new members with the lack of democratic practice and diktats that "must be obeyed" being issued by appointed "Presidents".

 

Gordon "No more Boom and Bust" Brown was voted the worst UK PM of all time, and he was.

Even Chamberlain (unwittingly) gave the UK time to rearm in the face of the German onslaught in western Europe, but the real intention of democratically elected Hitler was expansion east into Russian territory...

Anything sound familiar?

 

I am really not on TV to educate you, so I will sign off now and have a beer.

 

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Edited May 21, 2018 by George FmplesdaCosteedback

[aright]

1 hour ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

The referendum was a far greater mandate than any UK general election in living memory. It was debated and agreed in parliament how it would be conducted and it was a once only vote. The PM then went to the EU get a "reform" of the UK-EU deal and came back with a "handbrake" attached to nothing.

What we should be doing is getting behind the decision, not denying it as you are by asking for another vote. The polls have been wrong for the last 5-6 years, why insist on them being correct now?

The negotiations are being sabotaged by all those in the minority. 

 

Point well made.

Lets put the shoe on the other foot.

Suppose in the Scottish referendum the peoples vote for independence was 52-48% in favour and then the MP's in Westminster said sorry but we are not in favour of Scotland leaving the Union and neither are the BBC etc etc.. The process is extremely complex and there's a border to consider and we have to satisfy the 48% who voted against 

the motion...…..so no sorry you can't have the independence you voted for.

Riots on the streets I would have thought.

 

[soalbundy]

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

Well you learn something new everyday, the Oxford Dictionary has got it wrong.

The OD compilers didn't read about Schroedinger's cat.

[Kieran00001]

13 hours ago, vogie said:

And in your survey did it say how many brits move back home when they realise the grass is not always greener on the other side of the road. I know where I lived in France most of the brits moved back home.

 

No, it just asked who was living in Europe at that time, for everyone that returns there is another one leaving, a great deal of the properties sold by Brits are bought by other Brits, it makes little difference if they don't like it and return, the dream of leaving remains a constant.

[Kieran00001]

13 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Poland has prospered in the EU.

 

Absolutely, they've done very well, it amazes me that some on here think they will be another country seeking to leave after us, I very much doubt they are that daft.

[Kieran00001]

13 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

So now we're basing decisions on dreams are we?

 

Of course people make decisions based on their future ambitions, what were you thinking there?

[The Renegade]

The onslaught begins.

 

The Democratically elected Government of Italy are now called

 

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Italy's insurgents defiant 

 

The warnings come in thick and fast

 

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The warnings are coming fast and thick. Fitch Ratings has issue a red alert, deeming Italy’s insurgent government a threat to market stability and sovereign solvency.

The conservative leader in the European Parliament, Manfred Weber, said Italians are “playing with fire” as anti-euro Lega nationalists and the alt-Left Five Star Movement join forces to smash the euro austerity regime - and to deport 500,000 illegal immigrants. “This could provoke another eurozone crisis,” he said.

France’s finance minister warns of a “Greek-like” disaster 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/05/21/italys-insurgents-defiant-bond-spreads-surge-eu-threats-build/

 

They have learned well from the Brexit non-negotiations and have played a blinder.

 

Brussels HQ Troll Factory will be going into overdrive.

[The Renegade]

8 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Of course people make decisions based on their future ambitions, what were you thinking there?

Ambitions and capabilities are 2 very different beasts. Some people, especially from Generation Snowflake  appear to be unable to make a distinction between them.

 

My dream is to own a £350 million luxury yacht.

 

I have no ambition to own one, because I do not have the capability, financially or otherwise to own one.

 

 

[Kieran00001]

4 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

The referendum was a far greater mandate than any UK general election in living memory. It was debated and agreed in parliament how it would be conducted and it was a once only vote. The PM then went to the EU get a "reform" of the UK-EU deal and came back with a "handbrake" attached to nothing.

What we should be doing is getting behind the decision, not denying it as you are by asking for another vote. The polls have been wrong for the last 5-6 years, why insist on them being correct now?

The negotiations are being sabotaged by all those in the minority.

The EU has to get an equitable deal for its own workers and industries, so why undermine the position.

Do you think Estonia, Latvia and Albania are going to take up the loss of trade with the UK when they join shortly?

 

I agree the southern "states" mostly spent the money unwisely, but now they cannot service the debt. What do you suggest? Have every taxpayer in the Euro Zone give then more money to waste, or see them regain the ability of making their economies work by getting back control of their currency?

 

I say again, Churchill would never have approved of what is happening now. It is starting a revolt even by new members with the lack of democratic practice and diktats that "must be obeyed" being issued by appointed "Presidents".

 

Gordon "No more Boom and Bust" Brown was voted the worst UK PM of all time, and he was.

Even Chamberlain (unwittingly) gave the UK time to rearm in the face of the German onslaught in western Europe, but the real intention of democratically elected Hitler was expansion east into Russian territory...

Anything sound familiar?

 

I am really not on TV to educate you, so I will sign off now and have a beer.

 

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In what way was the last referendum a greater mandate than the 1975 one?  And obviously it was not a once only vote, it is already the second time we have voted on basically the exact same thing.  

I see no reason to get behind something that I have no interest in, my priority is getting behind stopping this lunacy, getting behind the "once only vote" that we had in 1975.

 

Estonia and Latvia joined the EU in 2004, not sure which countries you were thinking of there.

 

I am glad that you agree that the countries in debt have done it to themselves, the rest are footing their bill, either we force them to contribute something or we just pay it all for them, there really is no other choice, to allow them to default would mean a complete banking collapse for them, that would be a disaster for them, people speak as if there would be something positive in it as it would remove their burden of debt but in reality they would be very poor for a long time, the fairest thing to do is to support them as much as they need but keep making them pay.

 

The EU process is more democratic than our own, I see no logic behind your claim that Churchill would not have approved, the EU system is not perfect but it is the most democratic system the world has ever seen.

 

Brown was not the worst PM in history, he inherited an impossible economy, it was a global crisis and he handled things very well, it was the next lot who failed, our recovery was the slowest in Europe, not because of Brown, but because of Cameron.

 

Hitler did intend to expand east, but only because they had only just lost that territory, his prerogative was regaining the lands that they had just lost to the Bolsheviks, the German Industrialist movement had just taken an embarrassing knock in Poland, he was seeking revenge, I see nothing familiar to this in the expansion of the EU.  Poland was riled up against the Germans by the communists and were united against Germans, whereas Eastern Europe is welcoming the expansion of the EU, they want protection from the expansionist Russia, if anything then it is the other way around.

 

But please do continue with your "education", it is getting amusing. 

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

1 minute ago, The Renegade said:

Ambitions and capabilities are 2 very different beasts. Some people, especially from Generation Snowflake  appear to be unable to make a distinction between them.

 

My dream is to own a £350 million luxury yacht.

 

I have no ambition to own one, because I do not have the capability, financially or otherwise to own one.

 

 

 

Sure, there are plenty of those Brits who will never be able to make the move, but then there are so many who will, and the point is, if Brexit makes it harder for people then it will not be popular will millions of Brits who want to emigrate, as realistic or not that may be.  I was only countering the claim that the 2% of Brits who live full time in Europe are insignificant to the Leave voter base, they are not the only people to consider in that respect, already it is 5% when we consider those who live in both the UK and the EU and then there are the many more who are currently planning and have realistic plans to make the move, the dreamers are not as significant, but their votes count all the same.  It will only be once we know the deal we can then attempt to ascertain just how many Brits really want to leave, should it hamper peoples plans to live in Europe then it will be far from popular.

[The Renegade]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

Sure, there are plenty of those Brits who will never be able to make the move, but then there are so many who will, and the point is, if Brexit makes it harder for people then it will not be popular will millions of Brits who want to emigrate,

Time to nail a small myth.

 

In the mighty EU there are approximately 800,000 - 1.2 Million Brits scattered, mostly across 6 EU Countries.

 

Around the World, there are approximately 3.5 million Brits scattered, mostly across another 6 Countries.

 

If the EU was so great and wonderful, would those numbers not be reversed ?

 

With its 35% youth ( 18 - 26 ) unemployment rate, the EU is not very good for Generation Snowflake.

 

These millions of ( How do you know ? ) Brits that want to emigrate are heading in the main, outside the EU.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

13 hours ago, Grouse said:

So you would be happy with a Norway / EFTA / EEA model? As far as I know Brexit knuckle draggers won't accept that option even though it was suggest by Farage!

You are quick, in fact, lightening quick, to call out anyone for making a comment that is remotely rude or discourteous; you then post a rude, insulting and inflammatory comment like this.

 

Your comment has all the hall-markings of one designed to induce a reply that will get another poster into trouble with the moderators. Do you enjoy the privilege of some form or immunity on this forum ??

[Grouse]

8 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

You are quick, in fact, lightening quick, to call out anyone for making a comment that is remotely rude or discourteous; you then post a rude, insulting and inflammatory comment like this.

 

Your comment has all the hall-markings of one designed to induce a reply that will get another poster into trouble with the moderators. Do you enjoy the privilege of some form or immunity on this forum ??

What do you think of the Norway / EEA / EFTA way?

[The Renegade]

15 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

You are quick, in fact, lightening quick, to call out anyone for making a comment that is remotely rude or discourteous; you then post a rude, insulting and inflammatory comment like this.

 

Your comment has all the hall-markings of one designed to induce a reply that will get another poster into trouble with the moderators. Do you enjoy the privilege of some form or immunity on this forum ??

It now has a name.

 

It is called Professional Trolling

 

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Trolls–those who make harsh and nasty comments just to take over and disrupt discussions–are the bane of the internet.  It turns out, some trolls are paid for their work.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/12/professional-trolls/

 

Others just have Narcissistic personality disorder

 

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Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.^[2][3] Those affected often spend a lot of time thinking about achieving power or success, or on their appearance.^[3] They often take advantage of the people around them.^[3] The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of social situations.

 

[tebee]

23 hours ago, tebee said:

But the rich and powerful know how  to channel the common man's emotions to fan the flames and add legitimacy to their cause. 

 

23 hours ago, The Renegade said:

Could we stop with the presumption that everyone is a puppet on a string ?

 

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But if they were and the persuasion was good enough how would they know ?

Edited May 22, 2018 by tebee

[The Renegade]

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Could we stop with the presumption that everyone is a puppet on a string ?

 

26 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

But if they were and the persuasion was good enough how would they know ?

If it has taken you nearly 24 hours to come up with that stunning reply, I would guess it is something that you need not worry about.

[RuamRudy]

More evidence that support for this fool's errand is waning by the day:

Support for Brexit falls sharply in Northern Ireland

 

"In 2016 the region voted 56% to remain... but support for leaving the bloc has fallen 13 points to 31%, undermining the Democratic Unionist party's continued staunch backing for Brexit.

...

"The survey... found that two years after the referendum support for remain had risen to 69%..."

 

 

 

 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

It now has a name.

 

It is called Professional Trolling

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/12/professional-trolls/

 

Others just have Narcissistic personality disorder

 

 

What do you think of the Norway / EEA / EFTA by the way? ?

 

[The Renegade]

10 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

More evidence that support for this fool's errand is waning by the day:

Fool's errands.

 

Sturgeon is just about to embark on her own fool's errand

 

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The SNP is to set out a new economic case for Scottish independence with the long-awaited publication this week of the work of a growth commission led by former RBS economist Andrew Wilson.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/snp-s-delayed-report-on-economic-case-for-independence-criticised-by-opposition-mvs0f0np5

A case made by an former RBS economist !! Given the last 10 years of the RBS, anyone associated with RBS should not be anywhere near making an economic case for Scottish Independence.