California governor says Trump administration waging war against state

[webfact]

California governor says Trump administration waging war against state

By Sharon Bernstein

 

California Governor Jerry Brown delivers his final state of the state address in Sacramento, California, U.S., January 25, 2018. REUTERS/Fred Greaves

 

SACRAMENTO (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown on Wednesday accused President Donald Trump's administration of declaring war on the most populous U.S. state, after the Justice Department sued to stop policies that protect illegal immigrants against deportation.

 

The Democratic governor made the charge shortly after Attorney General Jeff Sessions intensified the Republican administration's confrontation with California. In a speech in the state capital, Sessions accused California of obstructing federal immigration enforcement efforts and vowed to stop the state's defiance.

 

Sessions addressed a law enforcement group in Sacramento, a day after the Justice Department filed suit against California, Brown and the state's Democratic attorney general over so-called sanctuary policies that shield illegal immigrants.

 

"California absolutely, it appears to me, is using every power it has - powers it doesn't have - to frustrate federal law enforcement. So you can be sure I'm going to use every power I have to stop them," Sessions, the top U.S law enforcement officer, said in his speech.

 

Brown called the attorney general's trip to California a political stunt and his description of California's laws a lie.

 

"Like so many in the Trump administration, this attorney general has no regard for the truth," Brown told reporters, adding that the laws were crafted with input and support from California police chiefs. "This is basically going to war against the state of California."

 

Brown in October signed into law a bill that prevents police from inquiring about immigration status and curtails law enforcement cooperation with immigration officers.

 

Sessions said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents carry out federal law and that "California cannot forbid them or obstruct them in doing their jobs."

 

"In recent years, the California legislature has enacted a number of laws designed to intentionally obstruct the work of our sworn immigration enforcement officers, to intentionally use every power the legislature has to undermine the duly-established immigration law of America," Sessions told a California Peace Officers Association conference.

 

The lawsuit, filed late on Tuesday in federal court in Sacramento, takes aim at three state laws passed last year that the Justice Department contends violates the U.S. Constitution and the supremacy of federal law over state law.

 

Trump has made fighting illegal immigration a signature issue, first as a candidate and now as president. Part of that effort involves a Justice Department crackdown on primarily Democratic-governed cities and states that Sessions calls "sanctuaries" that protect illegal immigrants from deportation.

 

'LAW OF THE LAND'

 

"Immigration law is the province of the federal government," Sessions said. "There is no nullification. There is no secession. Federal law is the supreme law of the land."

 

"I would invite any doubters to go to Gettysburg," he added. "This matter has been settled."

 

The Union army's victory at Gettysburg in 1863 is often described as the turning point of the Civil War, in which the South declared for states' rights and tried to secede from the United States.

 

Brown later echoed the Civil War theme when he said the lawsuit was unprecedented, particularly because it was delivered by "a fella coming from Alabama talking to us about secession." Sessions' home state was part of the South during the Civil War.

 

Sessions accused Democratic Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf of actively seeking to help illegal immigrants avoid ICE.

 

Last month, Schaaf issued a statement alerting local residents that ICE agents were preparing to conduct an operation in the area, saying it was her moral obligation. A few days later, ICE announced the arrest of more than 150 people for immigration violations in the San Francisco-Oakland area, saying about half had additional criminal convictions.

 

The White House has called Schaaf's actions "outrageous" and said the Justice Department was reviewing the matter.

 

"Here's my message for Mayor Schaaf: How dare you. How dare you needlessly endanger the lives of law enforcement officers to promote your radical open-borders agenda," Sessions said on Wednesday.

 

Sessions also called Democratic California Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom an "embarrassment" for supporting the mayor's actions.

 

(Reporting by Sharon Bernstein; Additional reporting by Sarah N. Lynch in Washington and Dan Levine in San Francisco; Writing by Ben Klayman; Editing by Will Dunham and Rosalba O'Brien)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-03-08

[boomerangutang]

Sessions vs Brown, no contest.  It's like a checkers enthusiast (Sessions) vs a MMA cage fighter (Brown) in a scrap.

[boomerangutang]

from the OP...

Sessions accused Democratic Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf of actively seeking to help illegal immigrants avoid ICE.

Last month, Schaaf issued a statement alerting local residents that ICE agents were preparing to conduct an operation in the area, saying it was her moral obligation. A few days later, ICE announced the arrest of more than 150 people for immigration violations in the San Francisco-Oakland area, saying about half had additional criminal convictions.

The White House has called Schaaf's actions "outrageous" and said the Justice Department was reviewing the matter.

"Here's my message for Mayor Schaaf: How dare you. How dare you needlessly endanger the lives of law enforcement officers to promote your radical open-borders agenda," Sessions said on Wednesday.

Sessions also called Democratic California Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom an "embarrassment" for supporting the mayor's actions.

 

Interesting.  It reminds me of the stand off between Federal agents and State agents re; allowing black children to go to a school.

It was ALABAMA (Session's home state), but the roles were reversed.  In the 1963 situation, it was the state which forbade black students from attending the whites-only school - and it was the feds (JFK and his brother Bobby) which directed federal officers to go there to physically escort little black kids into the school.

history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-faces-down-defiant-governor

[lannarebirth]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

 

 

 

Interesting.  It reminds me of the stand off between Federal agents and State agents re; allowing black children to go to a school.

It was ALABAMA (Session's home state), but the roles were reversed.  In the 1963 situation, it was the state which forbade black students from attending the whites-only school - and it was the feds (JFK and his brother Bobby) which directed federal officers to go there to physically escort little black kids into the school.

history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-faces-down-defiant-governor

 

Except Black folks were citizens. Born and bred. You see the difference?

[DoctorG]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Brown later echoed the Civil War theme when he said the lawsuit was unprecedented,

Not exactly unprecedented. I have read that the Sessions suit begins using the exact same wording as did the Obama suit.

 

Obama administration sues Arizona over immigration law

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-immigration-lawsuit/obama-administration-sues-arizona-over-immigration-law-idUSTRE6653Q320100706

[spidermike007]

Na na na na na. The California voters do not like me. I really hate it when people do not like me. I am so great. How can anyone not like me. They must be punished for not liking me. I will teach them a lesson! I will sick my lap dog Jeff on them! 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Except Black folks were citizens. Born and bred. You see the difference?

People at the bottom of the social heap being persecuted by the extreme right.

 

No, no difference al all.

 

Things have not changed.

[Boon Mee]

President Trump is simply going to administer Federal Law regarding illegal criminal aliens. 

That's far from the definition of waging war. 

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

 

 

 

Interesting.  It reminds me of the stand off between Federal agents and State agents re; allowing black children to go to a school.

It was ALABAMA (Session's home state), but the roles were reversed.  In the 1963 situation, it was the state which forbade black students from attending the whites-only school - and it was the feds (JFK and his brother Bobby) which directed federal officers to go there to physically escort little black kids into the school.

history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-faces-down-defiant-governor

 

So what would happen today if the current POTUS directed US Marshals, FBI and other federal agents to go to California and arrest illegal immigrants?

 

Are states allowed to ignore federal laws if they don't like them?

 

Anyone with half a brain can see that refusing to allow it's employees to work on federal law enforcement is a political gamesmanship as, with such a huge Hispanic electorate and massive illegal community, it politically advantageous to do so. 

 

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

People at the bottom of the social heap being persecuted by the extreme right.

 

No, no difference al all.

 

Things have not changed.

 

No it's not the same at all. These are illegal immigrants who committed a crime by illegally entering another country and then illegally working and trying to remain there.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Not exactly unprecedented. I have read that the Sessions suit begins using the exact same wording as did the Obama suit.

 

Obama administration sues Arizona over immigration law

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-obama-immigration-lawsuit/obama-administration-sues-arizona-over-immigration-law-idUSTRE6653Q320100706

 

Brown has the same selective memory that all liberal PC politicians are blessed with!

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No it's not the same at all. These are illegal immigrants who committed a crime by illegally entering another country and then illegally working and trying to remain there.

 

 

The term ‘illegal immigrant’ is not a definition under US law.

 

 

[Roelf]

11 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

 

 

 

Interesting.  It reminds me of the stand off between Federal agents and State agents re; allowing black children to go to a school.

It was ALABAMA (Session's home state), but the roles were reversed.  In the 1963 situation, it was the state which forbade black students from attending the whites-only school - and it was the feds (JFK and his brother Bobby) which directed federal officers to go there to physically escort little black kids into the school.

history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-faces-down-defiant-governor

The roles were NOT reversed!!

In both cases the Feds were enforcing the Laws of the Land!,

If you don't agree with the Laws, too bad for you!

[Chomper Higgot]

Sanctions against Russia passed into Federal Law, except Trump refuses to sign.

 

And then there's this bit of Federal Law that is getting ignored 5 U.S. Code § 3110

[PhonThong]

1 hour ago, Mansell said:

Federal law says no to marijuana sales, but many states are legally selling it........don't see that Fat F~<~K doing any thing about that. Business as usual, I will enforce the laws I want. How many of his immigrant staff down in Fat F~<~K Florida are illegal?

The sooner we get rid of this BOZO the KKKLOWN

But, they can't put the money into a bank. Federal law prohibits it. 

Edited March 8, 2018 by PhonThong

[mjef]

11 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Except Black folks were citizens. Born and bred. You see the difference?

Except they were black citizens, not white. You see the difference? Tomato, tomato!

[StreetCowboy]

5 minutes ago, mjef said:

Except they were black citizens, not white. You see the difference? Tomato, tomato!

Migrant workers, slave workers,  Persecute the employers, not the poor.

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/8/2018 at 9:57 PM, StreetCowboy said:

Migrant workers, slave workers,  Persecute the employers, not the poor.

They do except in CA. where they've passed unconstitutional laws prohibiting it.

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

They do except in CA. where they've passed unconstitutional laws prohibiting it.

What are you on about now? Where are employers being prosecuted (or persecuted) for hiring illegals? 

[boomerangutang]

On 3/8/2018 at 10:37 AM, lannarebirth said:

Except Black folks were citizens. Born and bred. You see the difference?

At the time, in the SE US, blacks were looked upon as 2nd class citizens, without the rights of regular white citizens.  Black kids weren't allowed to go to certain schools there.  That's why there was a stand-off between State and Federal authorities.  In that case, the Feds prevailed, and black kids were allowed to go to a school which, up to that time, didn't allow them to attend.

 

Now we have a stand-off between Fed and State officials, but with a different dynamic.  Even with Trump taking a cattle prod to Session's butt, I think the Feds will lose.  Californians, generally, understand that having black and brown people in the mix is, overall, a good thing.  Sure there are some bad apples, just like there are some white citizens who instigate mass-shootings and other problems.  But in the big-picture, immigrants are helpful to society.

[ilostmypassword]

10 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

At the time, in the SE US, blacks were looked upon as 2nd class citizens, without the rights of regular white citizens.  Black kids weren't allowed to go to certain schools there.  That's why there was a stand-off between State and Federal authorities.  In that case, the Feds prevailed, and black kids were allowed to go to a school which, up to that time, didn't allow them to attend.

 

Now we have a stand-off between Fed and State officials, but with a different dynamic.  Even with Trump taking a cattle prod to Session's butt, I think the Feds will lose.  Californians, generally, understand that having black and brown people in the mix is, overall, a good thing.  Sure there are some bad apples, just like there are some white citizens who instigate mass-shootings and other problems.  But in the big-picture, immigrants are helpful to society.

What's funny about this is that the same Supreme Court decision that ruled it was unconstitutional to penalize states  that didn't offer the new subsidized Medicaid is now being cited to support the states' refusal to comply with Trump's threats.

[lannarebirth]

39 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

At the time, in the SE US, blacks were looked upon as 2nd class citizens, without the rights of regular white citizens.  Black kids weren't allowed to go to certain schools there.  That's why there was a stand-off between State and Federal authorities.  In that case, the Feds prevailed, and black kids were allowed to go to a school which, up to that time, didn't allow them to attend.

 

Now we have a stand-off between Fed and State officials, but with a different dynamic.  Even with Trump taking a cattle prod to Session's butt, I think the Feds will lose.  Californians, generally, understand that having black and brown people in the mix is, overall, a good thing.  Sure there are some bad apples, just like there are some white citizens who instigate mass-shootings and other problems.  But in the big-picture, immigrants are helpful to society.

 

You're making my point. Black people had every right to expect equal protection under the law. They were US citizens after all. Most of them can trace their family lineage in America back further than my own. Why a non US citizen would expect those same protections and entitlements, or why some non federal  jurisdictions may grant them (perhaps illegally) is beyond me.  I mean, you know you're not a Thai citizen, right? And therefore not subject to all the same protections and entitlements, right?

 

I'm not talking about the DACA kids here, but the millions of others. I am pro immigration but maybe it is time to shore up our own people before we take in every person who comes here illegally. Even if they are fat, or opioid addicted or rednecks or they love their guns a little too much. They have every right to be and thrive here. Or at least as much as you and I do.

 

Here's a question I've posed here before that no one has answered for me yet. Maybe you will.  In the next 10-15 years, several studies have predicted that 30%-35% of American jobs will become automated and their will be a surfeit of persons to fill the available jobs. Such a condition has started a conversation about a minimum basic income for Americans whether they are part of the workforce or not. How does the acceptance of so many new immigrants fit into this dearth of future jobs predicted? Things tended to take care of themselves when there was always a new frontier to conquer but those are in short supply now.

Edited March 12, 2018 by lannarebirth

[sqwakvfr]

I grew up in California(I have lived in San Francisco and Los Angeles) and I was a police officer in Los Angeles for over 2 decades.  Jerry Brown will have served as Governor for 4 terms(that's 16 years in two different time periods) and he sees the world in a very different way from many Californians. One hand he does not want Federal Immigration Laws enforced but he has hands wide open anytime Federal Money is offered.  If one feels Immigration is not a major problem in California then I invite anyone to walk through some of the neighborhoods of Los Angeles(especially at night) or even go to the Emergency Room of County USC Hospital on a weekend night.  It is true in the past ICE was slow in picking up suspects who had been arrested for local crimes who also had Immigration holds but this State Order to prevent Local Police from contacting ICE is ridiculous.  I am offended by this blatant disregard for Federal Immigration Laws because I was a Legal Immigrant myself who went through the long, arduous, and somewhat expensive process to obtain citizenship.  I also had a "Dream" but of course I am not the politically correct kind of "Dreamer".  Also, local police (in my time) were prohibited from asking anyone about their immigration status.  Local police in the US do not in any way enforce Federal Immigration laws  ICE only asks local police to communicate with them and to assist them in emergency situations.  

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

I grew up in California(I have lived in San Francisco and Los Angeles) and I was a police officer in Los Angeles for over 2 decades.  Jerry Brown will have served as Governor for 4 terms(that's 16 years in two different time periods) and he sees the world in a very different way from many Californians. One hand he does not want Federal Immigration Laws enforced but he has hands wide open anytime Federal Money is offered.  If one feels Immigration is not a major problem in California then I invite anyone to walk through some of the neighborhoods of Los Angeles(especially at night) or even go to the Emergency Room of County USC Hospital on a weekend night.  It is true in the past ICE was slow in picking up suspects who had been arrested for local crimes who also had Immigration holds but this State Order to prevent Local Police from contacting ICE is ridiculous.  I am offended by this blatant disregard for Federal Immigration Laws because I was a Legal Immigrant myself who went through the long, arduous, and somewhat expensive process to obtain citizenship.  I also had a "Dream" but of course I am not the politically correct kind of "Dreamer".  Also, local police (in my time) were prohibited from asking anyone about their immigration status.  Local police in the US do not in any way enforce Federal Immigration laws  ICE only asks local police to communicate with them and to assist them in emergency situations.  

"I grew up in California(I have lived in San Francisco and Los Angeles) and I was a police officer in Los Angeles for over 2 decades.  Jerry Brown will have served as Governor for 4 terms(that's 16 years in two different time periods) and he sees the world in a very different way from many Californians."

Anytime someone uses the word "many" in a context like this, what it means is that they are a minority of whatever group is being referred to. Otherwise, "most" would be usesd instead. In this case the group is Californians and Brown's election and reelection speaks to that.

[mrwebb8825]

4 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

What are you on about now? Where are employers being prosecuted (or persecuted) for hiring illegals? 

 

Do I have to look everything up for you these days?

https://visaserve.com/lawyer/2017/11/13/I-9--E-Verify/Employers-That-Hire-Illegal-Immigrants-Beware--ICE-Plans-to-Increase-Prosecutions-_bl32306.htm

[mikebike]

On 3/8/2018 at 9:57 PM, StreetCowboy said:

Migrant workers, slave workers,  Persecute the employers, not the poor.

 

5 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

They do except in CA. where they've passed unconstitutional laws prohibiting it.

 

39 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

 

Do I have to look everything up for you these days?

https://visaserve.com/lawyer/2017/11/13/I-9--E-Verify/Employers-That-Hire-Illegal-Immigrants-Beware--ICE-Plans-to-Increase-Prosecutions-_bl32306.htm

So are you saying the a PLAN to increase prosecutions is the SAME as increased prosecutions?

 

That is awesome news for me... my plan to earn 1 billion dollars means I now have 1 billion in the bank!!

 

And where did you get the "except in CA" part of your fantasy?

[ilostmypassword]

44 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

 

Do I have to look everything up for you these days?

https://visaserve.com/lawyer/2017/11/13/I-9--E-Verify/Employers-That-Hire-Illegal-Immigrants-Beware--ICE-Plans-to-Increase-Prosecutions-_bl32306.htm

Well, I know that there are laws in place, although the penalties are pretty low.  The question is, is the Trump administration actually imposing them? I've been looking for evidence to show that they've actually done something as opposed to planning to do something.. I did find that under Obama, such administrative penalties rose sharply from the Bush administration. I can't find anything to show that the Trump administration is seriously enforcing the laws against employer or how its performance compares to the Obama administrations.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

At the time, in the SE US, blacks were looked upon as 2nd class citizens, without the rights of regular white citizens.  Black kids weren't allowed to go to certain schools there.  That's why there was a stand-off between State and Federal authorities.  In that case, the Feds prevailed, and black kids were allowed to go to a school which, up to that time, didn't allow them to attend.

 

Now we have a stand-off between Fed and State officials, but with a different dynamic.  Even with Trump taking a cattle prod to Session's butt, I think the Feds will lose.  Californians, generally, understand that having black and brown people in the mix is, overall, a good thing.  Sure there are some bad apples, just like there are some white citizens who instigate mass-shootings and other problems.  But in the big-picture, immigrants are helpful to society.

I totally agree. There have been countless studies done, that show the immigrants provide a net surplus to the economy. The pro Trump devotees like to claim otherwise. They long for that time when America was a majority white nation. Somehow, they think things were better back then, when the white man ruled the roost, and we had segregation. (Get to the back of the bus!) I do not think it was better, and I do not think that things are worse now, due to the Latino population, that are being demonized by a charlatan fool, who is a reality TV host, posing as president. Things are definitely worse now, but not due to immigrants. There are a hundred reasons why the US is a pale shadow of what it once was. None are due to the immigrants, in my opinion. I know alot of Latinos, and Asians, and they bring alot to the table. Sure there are some gangsters and criminals. But, there are an awful lot of white male gangsters, and hooligans, and men who love to spread hatred and terror in the US, (nearly all of which were responsible for the recent mass murders) that were born and bred there. 

 

Most of the immigrants I know work their butts off, for low wages, and unlike white American men, they do not complain about it. The US would not be the nation that it is, without immigrants. I love the mix there. I find that most white people in the US are relatively joyless, cold, indifferent, and not much fun. And alot of blacks and Latinos have soul, humor, and are far more enjoyable to be around. 

 

It is much like Thailand, in that it would not be the nation it is, without the Burmese and Cambodian workers, who are often willing to work harder, for less, and bring more pride to their work, than alot of Thai people do. 

Edited March 12, 2018 by spidermike007

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I totally agree. There have been countless studies done, that show the immigrants provide a net surplus to the economy. The pro Trump devotees like to claim otherwise. They long for that time when America was a majority white nation. Somehow, they think things were better back then, when the white man ruled the roost, and we had segregation. (Get to the back of the bus!) I do not think it was better, and I do not think that things are worse now, due to the Latino population, that are being demonized by a charlatan fool, who is a reality TV host, posing as president. Things are definitely worse now, but not due to immigrants. There are a hundred reasons why the US is a pale shadow of what it once was. None are due to the immigrants, in my opinion. I know alot of Latinos, and Asians, and they bring alot to the table. Sure there are some gangsters and criminals. But, there are an awful lot of white male gangsters, and hooligans, and men who love to spread hatred and terror in the US, (nearly all of which were responsible for the recent mass murders) that were born and bred there. 

 

Most of the immigrants I know work their butts off, for low wages, and unlike white American men, they do not complain about it. The US would not be the nation that it is, without immigrants. I love the mix there. I find that most white people in the US are relatively joyless, cold, indifferent, and not much fun. And alot of blacks and Latinos have soul, humor, and are far more enjoyable to be around. 

 

It is much like Thailand, in that it would not be the nation it is, without the Burmese and Cambodian workers, who are often willing to work harder, for less, and bring more pride to their work, than alot of Thai people do. 

 

I agree with all of that, especially this part:

 

Quote

I find that most white people in the US are relatively joyless, cold, indifferent, and not much fun. And alot of blacks and Latinos have soul, humor, and are far more enjoyable to be around.

 

.But we can't demean and neglect the people that are current US citizens in favor of those here illegally just because we don't share much in  much in common with them. That's the way most of these immigration threads read.

 

I like Mexicans, probably more than most of the Americans I meet, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I remember you posting once about how screwed up the legal immigration system is. I've interacted with it and it is indeed super screwed up. Let's fix that first for the benefit of everyone.

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I agree with all of that, especially this part:

 

.But we can't demean and neglect the people that are current US citizens in favor of those here illegally just because we don't share much in  much in common with them. That's the way most of these immigration threads read.

 

I like Mexicans, probably more than most of the Americans I meet, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. I remember you posting once about how screwed up the legal immigration system is. I've interacted with it and it is indeed super screwed up. Let's fix that first for the benefit of everyone.

I am not advocating demeaning or neglecting the current US citizens. I am just stating my experience with a large majority of white folks in the US, compared to immigrants, and especially compared to Latinos, who I have alot of experience with on both coasts. They ARE more joyful, more fun, more spirited, more present, less riddled with anxiety, disillusionment, disappointment, bitterness, and hate. Just my observations. Not saying they should be treated better than white folks. Just saying they are different, and better for the nation, on some levels. Contrary to popular rhetoric.