Physical and Mental Abuse of Children is Going On - Advice Please.

[Pilotman]

I know of a Kidder Garden close to where I live where the children there are being abused both physically and mentally.  the school is privately run and is set up to allow poor families to put their kids into a facility while they work. Then parents pay when they can, maybe only 20 Baht a day   So far so good , some of the kids have no parents and live on the premises. Those children are being treated the worst of all.  Some examples of what is going on :

 

Younger children spending all day and night in what amounts to dog cages.  They can't or won't talk and won't/can't  walk.  Some are clerarly autistic and are being left to their own devices.   

The school runs out of water on a regular basis.  The facility is hot and  dirty 

The food is appallingly bad and sometimes the kids get fed only once per day, a bowl of rice and not much else.

There a few toys to play with, two toy cars among 30 kids.

The young children are regularly physically beaten/slapped by the so called teachers, even the autistic ones, who are displaying abnormal behaviours associated with their condition. . 

No paper for drawing, no implements for the kids  to interact with and the upshot is that there is no mental stimulation/education for them at all.  They are forced (encouraged) to sleep for most of the day. 

 

The whole thing makes me feel physically sick.   I have all this from an authoritative source who has interacted with the kids. The source is Thai and they are as appalled as I am. They are too scared to do anything about it, fearing retribution, , which would surely come their way.  I can't  let this go, so does anyone have any advice on how I can bring this to the attention of the authorities without implicating the source and is it something that anything can/will be done about?   Has anyone come across similar 'schools' in their travels. 

 

 

 

 

[lovelomsak]

Volunteer there and get things going. Organize lessons for the children etc. Why wait for some one else to step in.

  Sounds to me like this is basically people doing what they can and have limited resources. 

  Or donate food so the kids can eat. My friends and I often make meals and take to local orphanage you could do the same here.

   Donate books Read them a story. 

  There is lots you could do to help why not do it.

  

[jak2002003]

10 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

Volunteer there and get things going. Organize lessons for the children etc. Why wait for some one else to step in.

  Sounds to me like this is basically people doing what they can and have limited resources. 

  Or donate food so the kids can eat. My friends and I often make meals and take to local orphanage you could do the same here.

   Donate books Read them a story. 

  There is lots you could do to help why not do it.

  

That's logical advise, but not going to help here in Thailand, even if the OP has time and money to spend...

 

They will need the good old work / volunteer permit.. which the place will not be able to get for them!  That is if they will let a farang even enter the front gate!

 

There are several such places near me like that.  All high walls, security, mostly Christian foundations.  Children look miserable, skinny and dirty.  I tried to go in one to help out.. but was refused enter in a very unfriendly and frightening way.  They are all located out in the country away from any homes or main roads, out of sight is out of mind.  Have heard children screaming and crying, being beaten and yelled at etc when I go past on the bike sometimes.  Makes me sick too.  

 

The Thai people don't care because it does not directly affect them.. and the children are mostly mountain tribe or illegal immigrants from Burma / Shan state... so very low down on the pecking order here.

 

I would suggest the OP enlists the help of a Thai person to go in undercover and take video evidence on their phone.  Then go to the child protection people ... not the police... and no way post in online.. otherwise they might find they are in trouble with the deformation laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gecko123]

Directory of Thai government child and family welfare offices:

 

http://gphone.prd.go.th/dp.php?MID=17&DID=108

[amykat]

Is this one of those places where they get donations from people overseas?? 

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

That's logical advise, but not going to help here in Thailand, even if the OP has time and money to spend...

 

They will need the good old work / volunteer permit.. which the place will not be able to get for them!  That is if they will let a farang even enter the front gate!

 

There are several such places near me like that.  All high walls, security, mostly Christian foundations.  Children look miserable, skinny and dirty.  I tried to go in one to help out.. but was refused enter in a very unfriendly and frightening way.  They are all located out in the country away from any homes or main roads, out of sight is out of mind.  Have heard children screaming and crying, being beaten and yelled at etc when I go past on the bike sometimes.  Makes me sick too.  

 

The Thai people don't care because it does not directly affect them.. and the children are mostly mountain tribe or illegal immigrants from Burma / Shan state... so very low down on the pecking order here.

 

I would suggest the OP enlists the help of a Thai person to go in undercover and take video evidence on their phone.  Then go to the child protection people ... not the police... and no way post in online.. otherwise they might find they are in trouble with the deformation laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this and I will do as you suggest. I work outside LOS so my time here is limited. The Thai informant did try to take stuff into the facility for the kids and it went down very badly.    

 

2 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

Volunteer there and get things going. Organize lessons for the children etc. Why wait for some one else to step in.

  Sounds to me like this is basically people doing what they can and have limited resources. 

  Or donate food so the kids can eat. My friends and I often make meals and take to local orphanage you could do the same here.

   Donate books Read them a story. 

  There is lots you could do to help why not do it.

  

The comment  that they are people trying to do the best they can with limited  resources, is such bullshit.  It is no excuse for the miss treatment of children.  If  it is as it appears  to be they are true low lifes who deserve to be exposed and in jail.   

[Pilotman]

2 minutes ago, amykat said:

Is this one of those places where they get donations from people overseas?? 

Im not sure but I doubt it.  Without going into too much detail and therefore exposing the informant, I think the school is a vehicle for a teacher training college located elsewhere, where the money comes from  Thais paying to get the qualification of 'teacher'. The students are the ones that are upset at what is going on. . 

[saakura]

23 minutes ago, amykat said:

Is this one of those places where they get donations from people overseas?? 

Maybe it is the place near Pattaya where children abandoned by farangs and their prostitute girlfriends are looked after by some organisation.

[amykat]

3 minutes ago, saakura said:

Maybe it is the place near Pattaya where children abandoned by farangs and their prostitute girlfriends are looked after by some organisation.

 

No, I wasn't trying to guess what place he is talking about specifically ...just if it was run by farangs or not basically and the motivation was donations.

[amykat]

24 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Im not sure but I doubt it.  Without going into too much detail and therefore exposing the informant, I think the school is a vehicle for a teacher training college located elsewhere, where the money comes from  Thais paying to get the qualification of 'teacher'. The students are the ones that are upset at what is going on. . 

So it is Thai corruption.  You will have to find someone who can get beyond that, and probably out of your area if you live in a small town. There is that one woman from Pavena Foundation, you hear about sometimes making progress, you could try that maybe?  Or maybe they will know where to go?  And as given above, the dept of social service and family, whatever they are called, but maybe best if you can find a powerful person to represent the complaint??

[Pilotman]

29 minutes ago, saakura said:

Maybe it is the place near Pattaya where children abandoned by farangs and their prostitute girlfriends are looked after by some organisation.

Its not 

[lovelomsak]

4 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Younger children spending all day and night in what amounts to dog cages.  They can't or won't talk and won't/can't  walk.  Some are clerarly autistic and are being left to their own devices.   

The school runs out of water on a regular basis.  The facility is hot and  dirty 

The food is appallingly bad and sometimes the kids get fed only once per day, a bowl of rice and not much else.

There a few toys to play with, two toy cars among 30 kids.

The young children are regularly physically beaten/slapped by the so called teachers, even the autistic ones, who are displaying abnormal behaviours associated with their condition. . 

No paper for drawing, no implements for the kids  to interact with and the upshot is that there is no mental stimulation/education for them at all.  They are forced (encouraged) to sleep for most of the day. 

I am going to take the time to answer each of your points sense you attacked my  limited resources so harshly and judgemental.

Younger children spending all day and night in what amounts to dog cages.  They can't or won't talk and won't/can't  walk.  Some are clerarly autistic and are being left to their own devices.

This is the way autistic youth have been dealt with in Asia for centuries you are not in Kansas now Dorthy.

The school runs out of water on a regular basis.  The facility is hot and  dirty 

 Maybe have only so much money for water when it is finished it is finished. Thailand is hot or did you not notice.

The food is appallingly bad and sometimes the kids get fed only once per day, a bowl of rice and not much else.

 If all you can afford is rice all you eat is rice. When I first met my wife some days she did not eat so her children could eat.  Many people here go to bed hungry.

  There a few toys to play with, two toy cars among 30 kids.

 If they cannot afford enough food and water where will they get money for toys get a grasp on reality here.

The young children are regularly physically beaten/slapped by the so called teachers, even the autistic ones, who are displaying abnormal behaviours associated with their condition.

  This I do not like at all but is all to prevelant in schools every where in Thailand not just this case.

No paper for drawing, no implements for the kids  to interact with and the upshot is that there is no mental stimulation/education for them at all.  They are forced (encouraged) to sleep for most of the day. 

  Again no money no paper no crayons.

  Like I said people doing their best with limited resources 

 Why does a white knight like you not  enquire more about the  place before making great judgements.

  It could be a money grab but it could also be people doing the best they can with what they have.

  I seen schools in Akha tribes that would make you weep. The teachers have no black board  no chalk,no white board no pens etc.. The students write on dry leaves.with ink they make from dried flowers I could go on. The teachers do the best they can trying to help these kids have a future. You would probably see it as abnormal and mean hearted . When it is love and caring with no tools.

  In the past there was quite a problem in villages with drug addicts stealing all the books . The druggies would take a page out of a book wrap their heroin in it wet the paper with saliva so it would burn slow and smoke their heroin. These smokes were real long and they took 2 hands to hold them up ..One page at a time no books in the school all went up in smoke.

Edited March 12, 2018 by lovelomsak

[lovelomsak]

11 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

So its all alright then is it? Its Thailand so whats the point, is that it?  So , kids suffer here, just do nothing?  So what do I do then, whats your advice?  Just walk away?  The teachers have no responsibility for their treatment of the kids then?  So the  fact that Thai teacher students are appalled by this carries no weight then?  So lack of ,money excuses everything, is that the point you are making?  

You really miss the point here.

 So my suggestion is if you can do better with nothing but good intentions than these people .give it a go.

  It appears you do not understand how doing the best you can with what you got comes in here.

  It appears you would prefer they do nothing and leave the kids on the street to fend for themselves. 

Lack of money is not an excuse it is the reason,there is no water there is not books there is no rice.Just people that are doing their best with what they have to work with. Money doesnot grow on trees or were you not aware of this?

 quote So , kids suffer here, just do nothing?  So what do I do then, whats your advice?  Just walk away unquote

The people running this school do not walk away .They try to help and ease the suffering.

Edited March 12, 2018 by lovelomsak

[chickenslegs]

23 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

You really miss the point here.

 So my suggestion is if you can do better with nothing but good intentions than these people .give it a go.

  It appears you do not understand how doing the best you can with what you got comes in here.

  It appears you would prefer they do nothing and leave the kids on the street to fend for themselves. 

Lack of money is not an excuse it is the reason,there is no water there is not books there is no rice.Just people that are doing their best with what they have to work with. Money doesnot grow on trees or were you not aware of this?

 quote So , kids suffer here, just do nothing?  So what do I do then, whats your advice?  Just walk away unquote

The people running this school do not walk away .They try to help and ease the suffering.

Of course it is possible that there IS money available for these needy kids, but someone is stealing it.

Not unheard of here.

[lovelomsak]

8 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

Of course it is possible that there IS money available for these needy kids, but someone is stealing it.

Not unheard of here.

I agree but before some one goes marching around on their high horse may be they should have more info so as to know which it is.

 Poor people trying to survive or a scam. But to run off at the mouth with just imagination about the problem really gets me when I have seen the struggle in some areas of this country people just trying to get a better life  and working with nothing but dreams.

 I have witnessed the problems with in hilltribes  and have been to some of these schools/orphanages.  

  Many of these children have came from a life of hell. with druggie parents,neglect,abuse you name it.

Thailand it self does little or nothing for most. so they are very dependent or the good graces of others. Not everyone trying to help has access to money need donations. As the donations come in they can do more as the donations drop they do less.

 Many of these children are better off with a roof over their head and safe at night even if all they had was a bowl of rice for dinner.and no toys.

[Pilotman]

2 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

You really miss the point here.

 So my suggestion is if you can do better with nothing but good intentions than these people .give it a go.

  It appears you do not understand how doing the best you can with what you got comes in here.

  It appears you would prefer they do nothing and leave the kids on the street to fend for themselves. 

Lack of money is not an excuse it is the reason,there is no water there is not books there is no rice.Just people that are doing their best with what they have to work with. Money doesnot grow on trees or were you not aware of this?

 quote So , kids suffer here, just do nothing?  So what do I do then, whats your advice?  Just walk away unquote

The people running this school do not walk away .They try to help and ease the suffering.

At the risk of prolonging this unhelpful dialogue , the people running this place  are causing the suffering, that's the whole point. Its not  lack of money that means no water, it is lack of care.  For Gods sake, water is 4 Baht a bottle here, just around the corner.  How much are a few plastic toys.  How much does it cost to take a kid out of a cage and walk it around a bit, answer, nothing at all.     

[lovelomsak]

33 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

At the risk of prolonging this unhelpful dialogue , the people running this place  are causing the suffering, that's the whole point. Its not  lack of money that means no water, it is lack of care.  For Gods sake, water is 4 Baht a bottle here, just around the corner.  How much are a few plastic toys.  How much does it cost to take a kid out of a cage and walk it around a bit, answer, nothing at all.     

You really do  not get it do you. Come out of your ivory tower and see the real world.

  4 baht is a lot of money if you do not have it.It can be 4 baht more than they have.

 I have to be brutally honest here you have no idea what is going on there so leave it alone you will probably do more damage than good.

  You have no concept of the poverty and dysfunctional life these kids may come from.. Many of them that I have seen at young ages already have deep emotional and physcological (sp) problems from all the abuse and neglect. Have you ever even been to a real hillside tribe village?

  For many just to have a safe place to sleep at night is more than many are accustom too. 

  The people running the place are probably doing a lot more good for many of the children than any one else has in their lives. And the people are probably doing it for room and board at best..Perhaps even paying their own way from work outside the school or relatives helping.

  You are right this is a unhelpful dialogue from the very start. 

 I suggest you go talk to a worker there and tell them you and friends wish to provide a full meal for all the children on a certain date to celebrate a birthday. Set it up bring lots of food get to know the workers find out exactly what is going on.Would  take  little time to find out if it is funded by local donations or a church or overseas foundation etc.

  For food all you need is fried rice,chicken soft drinks,and fruit. Enough for all the children. Talk to the workers while there and find out how it is funded. If it is by local donation I suggest make a donation and move on. If it is well funded by an outside source yes then you have a reason to be indignant.and do as you see fit.

  

Edited March 12, 2018 by lovelomsak

[jak2002003]

4 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

I am going to take the time to answer each of your points sense you attacked my  limited resources so harshly and judgemental.

Younger children spending all day and night in what amounts to dog cages.  They can't or won't talk and won't/can't  walk.  Some are clerarly autistic and are being left to their own devices.

This is the way autistic youth have been dealt with in Asia for centuries you are not in Kansas now Dorthy.

The school runs out of water on a regular basis.  The facility is hot and  dirty 

 Maybe have only so much money for water when it is finished it is finished. Thailand is hot or did you not notice.

The food is appallingly bad and sometimes the kids get fed only once per day, a bowl of rice and not much else.

 If all you can afford is rice all you eat is rice. When I first met my wife some days she did not eat so her children could eat.  Many people here go to bed hungry.

  There a few toys to play with, two toy cars among 30 kids.

 If they cannot afford enough food and water where will they get money for toys get a grasp on reality here.

The young children are regularly physically beaten/slapped by the so called teachers, even the autistic ones, who are displaying abnormal behaviours associated with their condition.

  This I do not like at all but is all to prevelant in schools every where in Thailand not just this case.

No paper for drawing, no implements for the kids  to interact with and the upshot is that there is no mental stimulation/education for them at all.  They are forced (encouraged) to sleep for most of the day. 

  Again no money no paper no crayons.

  Like I said people doing their best with limited resources 

 Why does a white knight like you not  enquire more about the  place before making great judgements.

  It could be a money grab but it could also be people doing the best they can with what they have.

  I seen schools in Akha tribes that would make you weep. The teachers have no black board  no chalk,no white board no pens etc.. The students write on dry leaves.with ink they make from dried flowers I could go on. The teachers do the best they can trying to help these kids have a future. You would probably see it as abnormal and mean hearted . When it is love and caring with no tools.

  In the past there was quite a problem in villages with drug addicts stealing all the books . The druggies would take a page out of a book wrap their heroin in it wet the paper with saliva so it would burn slow and smoke their heroin. These smokes were real long and they took 2 hands to hold them up ..One page at a time no books in the school all went up in smoke.

You are saying it fine to abuse, hit, keep caged and starve children because of lack of money.

 

Not having money is no excuse for abusing children.  It does not cost anything not to hit or be cruel to them!

 

And what are '' (sp) problems''?  

 

Have you done work for these orphanages?  Do you know what goes on there under the disguise of helping 'orphans'?  I have, and I have spend many a night in some squalid hill tribe village hut with some of the most poor people you could meet.. who are supposed to be getting help, but are nothing more than money making tools to be mistreated and played with my the people who are supposed to be helping and supporting them.  Where the villages are virtual prisoners and are afraid to even wear they traditional clothes of practice any traditions in case the anger the good people who are helping... and be left with nothing and no way to support themselves.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2018 by jak2002003

[Pilotman]

12 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

I agree but before some one goes marching around on their high horse may be they should have more info so as to know which it is.

 Poor people trying to survive or a scam. But to run off at the mouth with just imagination about the problem really gets me when I have seen the struggle in some areas of this country people just trying to get a better life  and working with nothing but dreams.

 I have witnessed the problems with in hilltribes  and have been to some of these schools/orphanages.  

  Many of these children have came from a life of hell. with druggie parents,neglect,abuse you name it.

Thailand it self does little or nothing for most. so they are very dependent or the good graces of others. Not everyone trying to help has access to money need donations. As the donations come in they can do more as the donations drop they do less.

 Many of these children are better off with a roof over their head and safe at night even if all they had was a bowl of rice for dinner.and no toys.

Did you not read my post mate, they are not safe at all!  As you dont know what you are talking about and spewing out nonsense, I suggest that you leave this thread. I'm done interacting with you.  

[lovelomsak]

20 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

You are saying it fine to abuse, hit, keep caged and starve children because of lack of money.

 

Not having money is no excuse for abusing children.  It does not cost anything not to hit or be cruel to them!

 

And what are '' (sp) problems''?  

 

Have you done work for these orphanages?  Do you know what goes on there under the disguise of helping 'orphans'?  I have, and I have spend many a night in some squalid hill tribe village hut with some of the most poor people you could meet.. who are supposed to be getting help, but are nothing more than money making tools to be mistreated and played with my the people who are supposed to be helping and supporting them.  Where the villages are virtual prisoners and are afraid to even wear they traditional clothes of practice any traditions in case the anger the good people who are helping... and be left with nothing and no way to support themselves.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have seen this too. Christian zealots trying to bring christianity to them by denying them their heritage. This was done a lot when Thailand first started to try and stop the tribes from being nomadic.30 years ago I was there saw that too. I  knew people who where brought in to teach them new farming methods so they did not could settle in one country. They were nomadic with no borders. That is another topic though

  Did you read the OP. If you know what you say you know then you realize how much of a drama queen this OP is. What he calls abuse is poverty.

  He even states the place is ran on donations some times as small as 20 baht. If you know and have seen what you say you have tell me how far 20 baht will go to food and water a kinder garden for a day..

 It is not by the OP admission a government school.but private. Hence no funding.

  My wife taught at 3 kinder garden schools in her time she never saw what the OP is saying is happening at his school. 

 Read his post if you know Thailand and hillside tribes you will know of what I speak he is out of touch with the reality of life for these people.He simple discribes a private school trying to help the poor with no financial means to do it.

  Read the OP and I am sure you could place this school in any hillside tribe environment and it would be welcomed.

  

  

[Berkshire]

11 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Did you not read my post mate, they are not safe at all!  As you dont know what you are talking about and spewing out nonsense, I suggest that you leave this thread. I'm done interacting with you.  

Perhaps it is you who's missing the point.  You know nothing of this school except what you have "heard"....correct?  Have you considered what would happen to these kids if this school were to shut down because of your meddling?  If you seriously want to make a difference, invest some time and your own money instead of just your mouth. 

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post and a reply have been removed. 

[Pilotman]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

Perhaps it is you who's missing the point.  You know nothing of this school except what you have "heard"....correct?  Have you considered what would happen to these kids if this school were to shut down because of your meddling?  If you seriously want to make a difference, invest some time and your own money instead of just your mouth. 

Snap judgements like yours  on scant evidence  are rarely correct.  I have done more than  'heard' what  is going on.   I was hoping to get useful advice from this thread, not negative and ill informed comments like yours.  Fortunately, others have PM ed me with just such information. 

[scorecard]

 

Contact the Pavena Foundation (their focus in on women and children).

 

The principal Is Khun (Ms) Pavena, she quickly gets personally involved, the police and gov't agencies listen to her and act (fact is they are probably a bit frightened of the clout she has established).

 

She has a long list of involvement which has produced good results.

 

Take care. 

 

 

[Pilotman]

11 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Contact the Pavena Foundation (their focus in on women and children).

 

The principal Is Khun (Ms) Pavena, she quickly gets personally involved, the police and gov't agencies listen to her and act (fact is they are probably a bit frightened of the clout she has established).

 

She has a long list of involvement which has produced good results.

 

Take care. 

 

 

Brilliant, many thanks. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎3‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 6:58 PM, saakura said:

Maybe it is the place near Pattaya where children abandoned by farangs and their prostitute girlfriends are looked after by some organisation.

No. You are probably referring to the Pattaya orphanage ( Father Ray organisation ) which is nothing like that. That place has foreign volunteers working for it.

Anyone is welcome to go visit it.

[lovelomsak]

I have very mixed emotions about what you are doing here. And it appears you are determined to  get involved.

  If you are right in your assumptions I feel sorry for the children that they went through what they did. And hope they get a new home that is safe.

 If you are wrong and it is simply an under funded place for children that no one else is doing anything for,then I am very sad and concerned you have taken away the only support these children have. They may be left with no where to go.Good kind people may have to give up on caring for children who no one else cares for.

  Either way you going to find out huh. You appear hell bent on doing it with out further research and there is nothing any one can do to stop you..

  I get the feeling you do not even know how an anuban school is ran. You mention sleep as part of the abuse. In all anuban schools the children eat lunch brush their teeth then lay down on their mats and sleep for about 2 hours in the afternoon. Then they get up clean up and have free play time till their parents pick them up. Govt schools all schools do this.

 I plead with you do not act till you are sure . For you will affect many young life's with your actions . As they say only fools rush in.

[Pilotman]

13 hours ago, lovelomsak said:

I have very mixed emotions about what you are doing here. And it appears you are determined to  get involved.

  If you are right in your assumptions I feel sorry for the children that they went through what they did. And hope they get a new home that is safe.

 If you are wrong and it is simply an under funded place for children that no one else is doing anything for,then I am very sad and concerned you have taken away the only support these children have. They may be left with no where to go.Good kind people may have to give up on caring for children who no one else cares for.

  Either way you going to find out huh. You appear hell bent on doing it with out further research and there is nothing any one can do to stop you..

  I get the feeling you do not even know how an anuban school is ran. You mention sleep as part of the abuse. In all anuban schools the children eat lunch brush their teeth then lay down on their mats and sleep for about 2 hours in the afternoon. Then they get up clean up and have free play time till their parents pick them up. Govt schools all schools do this.

 I plead with you do not act till you are sure . For you will affect many young life's with your actions . As they say only fools rush in.

Thanks you for those measured comments.  In seeking to protect the source of the information, I have clearly given the wrong impression to many who have read this post.  In the interests of balance and to enable others who may come across a similar situation, I will elaborate a little, without giving away too much. I have a strong connection with an Asian owned international company, that does some business in Thailand but is based in another Asian country. That company asks its employees and ex employees, who are living in other locations, to keep their eyes and ears open for opportunities for charitable donations and other  social support. They do this in many countries, including LOS.  It is in this context that I found out about this place, that happens to be close to where I spend a lot of time.   I have no problem with what they do with some of the kids.  No doubt some of the 'teachers' are kind and have a good heart and are doing the right things. but that does not and cannot excuse physical beatings that end  up with injures to a child, neglect of autistic children and  water and food deprivation, by the school's management and  senior permanent staff.   No child, however poor, can possibly be better off in such an environment. I have spoken to two of the teachers who expressed their own upset at what is going on, but they are simply too scared to say anything. The school acts as a conduit for a major teaching organisation in Chon Buri that uses this and other locations to 'train' their students.  Its a scam, nothing more than that, and they are using untrained cheap staff and praying on poor families to make money through their student activity. The children are a by product of that money making effort. Money is not a problem for this organisation, so why then is this 'school' come orphanage being starved of cash?  The reason of course  is profit.  Its probably not unusual in  parts of a lot of countries in this area of the world, but that doesn't make it right.  I know of many good  rural village schools, supported by  external help,  who do excellent work  for poor families, this is most definitely not one of them.  Yes I am determined to get something done, but not as a lone crusade.  I am seeking to assist Thai nationals, both students and some of the teachers, who have approached me and asked for help in getting this resolved. I am of course not the only one they have informed, so collectively, I hope that something can be done.  

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On 3/12/2018 at 9:34 PM, chickenslegs said:

Of course it is possible that there IS money available for these needy kids, but someone is stealing it.

Not unheard of here.

Absolutely true. But imagine if your countrymen before you did nothing to stop abuse and dishonesty, and Im SURE it exist to some extent, you would be living in a place similar to land of fake smiles too.

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