Online Teaching

[Happy Grumpy]

3 hours ago, Loaded said:

from your quoted text, it does only mention digital gonads running their own businesses and not internet teaching which are completely different ways of working.

 

Actually it mentions everyone working here, either employed here or employed remotely. 

 

Quote

 

If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type  visa and then a work permit in order to work legally.

If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa.

 

Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun

 

Working for a Thai company, you need a non-Imm visa and work permit.

 

Not working for a Thai company (employed remotely), you don't. 

 

Cheers.

 

[Loaded]

Working for a Thai company, you need a non-Imm visa and work permit.
 
Not working for a Thai company (employed remotely), you don't. 
 
Cheers.
 

Misquoting the blog you posted and denying labor and immigration law.

Why are you so desperate to defend criminal behavior?



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[Happy Grumpy]

14 minutes ago, duanebigsby said:

Strictly speaking it is unlawful to teach online, do YouTube, write travel blogs etc.

If employed by a Thai business and you don't have a WP and Non-Imm it is.

 

If employed remotely from outside Thailand, you don't.

 

Just register a Tax Number with the revenue department and pay your income tax, if paid to a Thai bank account. No Work Permit needed to do any of that. 

 

Cheers. 

[Happy Grumpy]

3 minutes ago, Loaded said:

Misquoting the blog you posted and denying labor and immigration law.

No blog and not denying anything. 

 

Cheers.

[Loaded]

Oh dear, I guess the Ministry of Foreign Affairs out trumps a digital gonad blog but you are still going to tell us otherwise.

 

9. Foreigners entering Thailand are not permitted to work, regardless of their types of visa, unless they are granted a work permit.  Those who intend to work in Thailand must hold the correct type of visa to be eligible to apply for a work permit.  Information on Work Permit applications could be obtained from the website of the Office of Foreign Workers Administration, Department of Employment, Ministry of Labour

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15405-General-information.html

 

 

[Loaded]

and what about this

 

           1.1  Foreigners who wish to work, conduct business or undertake investment activities in Thailand must apply for a Non-Immigrant Visa at the Royal Thai Embassies or Royal Thai Consulates-General.  Various categories of the Non-Immigrant Visa are currently provided to meet the needs and qualifications of individual business persons. These include business visa Category “B”, business-approved visa Category “B-A” and investment and business visa Category “IB”.  Holder of this type of visa wishing to work in Thailand must be granted a work permit before starting work.  The visa fee is 2,000 Baht for single-entry with three-month validity and 5,000 Baht for multiple entries with one-year validity.

 

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"B"-(for-Business-and.html

[Loaded]

I don't see any exemptions for online teachers.

 

If you enter Thailand and work, you need a work permit. It's irrelevant who pays you and how.

 

Go on, say it - they aren't working, they don't work for a Thai employer, you don't understand, Pol Col Blimp is reported as saying it isn't so on a digital gonad blog that promotes digital gonadism bla bla but that's all BS. The MFA is very explicit and there's no ambiguity.

 

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

 

 

[Happy Grumpy]

3 minutes ago, Loaded said:

The MFA is very explicit

It absolutely is.

 

Those working in Thailand - employed in Thailand need a WP.

 

 

Remotely employed  is not employed/working in Thailand. No WP needed while here and doing so.

 

 

Cheers. 

[Loaded]

1 minute ago, Happy Grumpy said:

It absolutely is.

 

Those working in Thailand - employed in Thailand need a WP.

 

 

Remotely employed  is not employed/working in Thailand. No WP needed while here and doing so.

 

 

Cheers. 

Clown

[Happy Grumpy]

6 minutes ago, Loaded said:

but that's all BS.

Loaded - wrong and angry about it.

 

Or Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun clarifying the law at an immigration seminar.

 

 

Hmmmm..... 

 

Cheers. 

[Loaded]

Just now, Happy Grumpy said:

Loaded - wrong and angry about it.

 

Or Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun clarifying the law at an immigration seminar.

 

 

Hmmmm..... 

 

Cheers. 

Clown

[Happy Grumpy]

Just now, Loaded said:

Clown

Careful.

 

It could be construed that you're referring to an Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. 

 

 

Getting angry about being wrong won't help your cause. Whatever that is. 

 

 

Cheers. 

[mommysboy]

7 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

The evidence is all here my friend. 

 

 

Immigration - check. 

MoL - check.

Thai revenue department - check.

 

 

Employed in Thailand, you come under 3 of those.

 

Employed remotely, you come under 2 of those, if your income comes directly into Thailand. 

 

Don't forget to register with the Thai Revenue Department. No WP needed to do that, or to pay your income tax.

 

Cheers. 

 

Maybe this might educate people about the different between being employed here and being employed remotely while here.

 

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2014/10/thailand-immigration-officials-raid-chiang-mai-co-working-space/#JDO6ZPhUQtlqkeYt.97

 

Immigration raid Punspace, a place for remote workers to work from. They thought that they were employed there. Hence the raid. When they dicovered that they were only employed remotely, and doing this work from there, all released. 

 

"The Punspace members were all released from the immigration office by around 3pm, after officials verified none of the 11 had overstayed their visas, been blacklisted or were working illegally."

 

 

Cheers.

Wow!  Great work. 

 

Well Loaded, it seems like your argument is with the Thai police.  If you don't think they are doing their job properly, you could go in and tell them in no uncertain terms.

 

 

[pearciderman]

19 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Err... okay.

 

 

Btw, Thai immigration already moved to accommodate remote workers a few years, when they removed 'Employment Prohibited' from non-imm visas. So remote employees don't infringe on any immigration laws, once they have a non-imm visa. 

 

Cheers. 

 

Wow! Wrong yet again, the only Non-Imm visa that has employment prohibited stamped on it, (and not always), is the Non-O based on being over 50 and the Non-OA.

 

You are correct on one thing, if working remotely and you have a Non-Imm visa that does allow employment, then working, (remotely or otherwise), would not fall foul of Immigration law - just a shame that you forgot to mention that it would fall foul of Labour Law.

 

 

[pearciderman]

15 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Thought you asked for sources.

 

 

Immigration Superintendent Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun isn't a good source? 

 

 

Cheers.

 

He may be a good source for immigration matters, but sure as hell he can not speak for the Labour office.

[Happy Grumpy]

1 hour ago, pearciderman said:

just a shame that you forgot to mention that it would fall foul of Labour Law.

Incorrect.

 

Labor law is for those employed in Thailand.

 

Those working remotely for non-Thai businesses while in Thailand don't come under the Thai Alien Worker's Act.

 

 

 

It's why the police raided Punspace, thinking that the dozen aliens working there were employed there. When they discovered that they were just working there remotely, in a co-working office, and not employed there, all released as they don't come under the Thai Alien's Worker's Act. 

 

 

Cheers.

[Happy Grumpy]

1 hour ago, pearciderman said:

Wow! Wrong yet again, the only Non-Imm visa that has employment prohibited stamped on it, (and not always), is the Non-O based on being over 50 and the Non-OA.

Maybe you have your tenses mixed up.

 

Previously Non-Imm visas had 'Employment Prohibited' on them.

 

This was removed a few years ago, with the increase in remote workers that would be working here remotely.

 

Non-Imm O, O-A and Ed. 

 

Can see them before and after, here:

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1029696-online-teaching/?page=17&tab=comments#comment-12922279

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

[Happy Grumpy]

^ That's correct.

 

Those that are employed by a Thai firm, or a firm that's in Thailand, fall under the Ministry of Labor's Alien's Worker's Act. 

 

Those that are employed remotely, and work from here, don't. 

 

 

They are legally free to work from co-space offices together, if they wish, or from their own house or condo.

 

If the income comes directly to Thailand, register with the Thai Revenue Department, get a Thai Tax Number, and pay the  Thai income tax on the earnings that come directly here.

 

 

Cheers.

[Loaded]

The mommysboy and happygrumpy denial of reality show where Google Images and dodgy blogs are the only support they can find for their fantasies.

Quote from MFA, MOE and immigration websites and they pretend they cant see.

Get legal.

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[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Loaded said:

The mommysboy and happygrumpy denial of reality show where Google Images and dodgy blogs are the only support they can find for their fantasies.

Quote from MFA, MOE and immigration websites and they pretend they cant see.

Get legal.

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There is nothing to get legal about!

 

 

[Happy Grumpy]

2 hours ago, mommysboy said:

There is nothing to get legal about!

Of course.

 

 

Somebody doesn't know the difference between working in Thailand and working remotely while here. 

 

 

Thankfully people that actually matter - Immigration, The Ministry of Labor, the Royal Thai Police, do. 

 

Cheers. 

 

 

Btw, it's really quite handy how Thai business people have noticed the demand for remote workers to do their remote work in co-offices, where they can work and network with fellow remote workers. 

 

Of course we know what happened what the immigration police showed up thinking that they were employed there. 

 

Oh, you're only working here, not working for here. Sorry about that, have a good day.

 

 

Cheers.  

[Happy Grumpy]

3 hours ago, Loaded said:

Quote from MFA, MOE and immigration websites and they pretend they cant see.
 

 

It's all there, you even linked and quoted them, it's just that you don't understand them. 

 

 

Thankfully immigration, the MFA, the MoL etc etc do. 

 

Cheers. 

[Johnniey]

5 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

 

It's all there, you even linked and quoted them, it's just that you don't understand them. 

 

 

Thankfully immigration, the MFA, the MoL etc etc do. 

 

Cheers. 

What's it got to do with the MoFA?

 

Simple answer, online teaching is OK, even if by some miracle you were caught and charged with doing something illegal(which it isn't), it would be a small fine, at the most. 

 

This is Thailand remember. 

[mommysboy]

http://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-all-you-need-to-know-about-how-foreigners-can-legally-work-in-thailand-p131

 

I also found the above article informative: particularly in the tricky art of divining what goes on in the decision making process.  Even if it something is regarded as technically illegal/unlawful:

 

It reads thus : Besides for persisting differences in interpretation of what is "work", Thailand wouldn't be Thailand if there wasn't a GREY ZONE where things are allowed to be as they are, unlike in some Western countries where things are more simply black-and-white.
Even knowing that certain activities are not really white, authorities often take a practical stance in dealing with them, taking into consideration the scale and seriousness of the activities, the particular situation, the unclarity of their own internal regulations, a sense of realism of what should be allowed and not and their willingness and capacity to enforce on rules.

 

[Loaded]

What's it got to do with the MoFA?
 
Simple answer, online teaching is OK, even if by some miracle you were caught and charged with doing something illegal(which it isn't), it would be a small fine, at the most. 
 
This is Thailand remember. 

MFA is responsible for embassies and consulates. They issue non immigrant visas. Of course it has nothing to do with you and other online teachers dodging laws and requirements.

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[mommysboy]

47 minutes ago, Loaded said:

MFA is responsible for embassies and consulates. They issue non immigrant visas. Of course it has nothing to do with you and other online teachers dodging laws and requirements.

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You have just chosen one important, but vaguely defined clause of the law, and applied it to the exclusion of all other factors, and with fundamentalist zeal, whereas most others- including the people that count- see it quite differently.

 

 

[Loaded]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

 

You have just chosen one important, but vaguely defined clause of the law, and applied it to the exclusion of all other factors, and with fundamentalist zeal, whereas most others- including the people that count- see it quite differently.

 

 

crazy!

 

It was a response to a point made in a post.

 

However, question for you:

 

When you and other online 'teachers' apply for visas for Thailand, whether non-imm or tourist, do you tell the visa issuing officer that you will be teaching online in Thailand?

 

Of course you don't. You know you will be refused a visa (and work permit) for that purpose. Doesn't that tell you crims something?

[Happy Grumpy]

^ You've lost it big time.

 

 

Cheers.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Loaded said:

crazy!

 

It was a response to a point made in a post.

 

However, question for you:

 

When you and other online 'teachers' apply for visas for Thailand, whether non-imm or tourist, do you tell the visa issuing officer that you will be teaching online in Thailand?

 

Of course you don't. You know you will be refused a visa (and work permit) for that purpose. Doesn't that tell you crims something?

 

Why would anyone declare things that are legal, tolerated, etc?  Perhaps you'd like me to forward them emails I send when I do online banking, keep grass clippings when I mow the lawn, etc.  

 

You are presuming to know the law better than those who actually devised, or enforce it.

 

As for crazy! ...................are you aware who others think that applies to?

 

But there is a serious point here..... it's rather foolish to tell any officer anything in Thailand... it's just the nature of the office that, like you, they regard anything a farang does as transgression.  You really don't know much about Thailand- that is evident.

 

In truth, I'm getting pretty fed up of being called a crim!  

 

 

[Loaded]

You tell an embassy/consulate visa officer the reason for your application. If you lie or misrepresent the reason (I want a visa but I'm not going to tell you I'm working as an online teacher in Thailand for example), you have committed fraud.

 

You, and other online 'teachers', misrepresent the reason for your visa application because you know it's illegal to teach online in Thailand without a non-immigrant visa and work permit for that purpose.