Online Teaching

[Johnniey]

1 minute ago, Loaded said:

And that is stated where?

Lol

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Perhaps the link that he put under it. Duh.

[Loaded]

19 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Perhaps the link that he put under it. Duh.

well nothing like that is stated in that link - double duh.

 

I understand that you guys rely on the fantasy that you can work here without the appropriate visa, work permit and not pay tax, but you are selling a lie to the guys you recruit for your internet teaching company downline.

[Happy Grumpy]

 

I think this is Loaded's actual pic. 

 

 

Cheers.

[AGareth2]

where are these online companies registered?

china?

 

[Loaded]

"To be able to legally work in Thailand the foreigner must have a valid visa and a work permit issued in his name. Secondly, foreigners are only allowed to perform work that does not violate the Alien Employment Act (i.e.not engage in work prohibited for foreigners)."

 

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/thai-company-and-foreign-business-law/work-permit-for-foreigners-in-thailand

 

There is no exclusion for online teaching or working for an overseas company in Thailand (that must be obvious to anyone).

[Loaded]

This was written by a popular Thai blogger so he has absolutely no axe to grind. In fact the opposite, he's admitting what he's doing is illegal.

 

" It doesn't matter whether you are working for a Dot Com based outside of Thailand, or whether your ISP or VPN is based in the US or Europe. It doesn't matter whether you pay tax in another country, or whether you get paid for your work or not, if you are conducting an activity that falls under Thailand's legal definition of ‘work', then you are working illegally."

 

https://www.thethailandlife.com/working-online-thailand

Edited April 26, 2018 by Loaded

[Happy Grumpy]

^ reduced to a blog now? 

 

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To be able to legally work in Thailand 

 

They're working remotely, not working in Thailand.

 

That's the law.

 

 

 

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration even took the time to explain it clearly, for those with poor English and Thai language understanding.

 

 

"If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type  visa and then a work permit in order to work legally."

 

 

Remote workers not working for a Thai company or company in Thailand don't need a WP to legally do their work via the internet. Cheers.

[AGareth2]

1 minute ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Remote workers not working for a Thai company or company in Thailand don't need a WP to legally do their work via the internet.

who in authority said that?

[Happy Grumpy]

See the post above yours.

 

Read the Alien Worker's Act.

 

 

Only workers employed by a Thai business, or a business in Thailand are legally classed as working in Thailand. Remote workers working remotely and not employed by a Thai business or business here, aren't.

 

 

Cheers.

[Happy Grumpy]

Digital nomads are people who are location independent and use technology to perform their job.

 

Online tutoring/teaching is location independent and use technology to perform their job.

 

 

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If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type  visa and then a work permit in order to work legally.

If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa."

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

 

[Loaded]

Happygrumpy panicking lol

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[lemonjelly]

Can’t you guys continue your bickering via email or something...... it’s getting pretty <removed> tiresome.

[mommysboy]

20 minutes ago, lemonjelly said:

Can’t you guys continue your bickering via email or something...... it’s getting pretty <removed> tiresome.

 

Let's look for a common point of agreement: we can certainly agree that it appears to be tolerated/disregarded/overlooked by Immigration, and nobody has ever been prosecuted for it in the manner typically discussed.  Is that agreed by everyone?

[somchaismith]

7 hours ago, Loaded said:

Get legal.

Too right. You have no authority from any government department.

[Johnniey]

3 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

where are these online companies registered?

china?

 

The second-rate ones are in China. Many are in the US, who have a tax treaty with Thailand. No WP required. I've done it all legally.

[Johnniey]

1 hour ago, lemonjelly said:

Can’t you guys continue your bickering via email or something...... it’s getting pretty <removed> tiresome.

there is an ignore button, or just click the little 'x' at the top right

[Swimman]

1 minute ago, Johnniey said:

The second-rate ones are in China. Many are in the US, who have a tax treaty with Thailand. No WP required. I've done it all legally.

Did you confirm with the Labour office that no WP was required? 

[Happy Grumpy]

4 hours ago, mommysboy said:

we can certainly agree that it appears to be tolerated/disregarded/overlooked by Immigration, and nobody has ever been prosecuted for it in the manner typically discussed. 

Of course.

 

Because it doesn't break any laws, be it immigration or labor. 

 

There are even co-working offices you can go to do it, such as here:

 

 

 

Immigration showed up once with lots of officers and took everyone down to immigration as they thought that they were 'working in Thailand' ie, working for the company. When they realized that they were only working remotely for non-Thai companies and business while here (fully legal to do under the immigration and labor laws of Thailand). All released with smiles. No laws broken.

 

Google 'Punspace chiang mai raid' if you're interested.

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Happy Grumpy]

Btw, if people are looking for places to do it in, these are some co-working spaces around Thailand, for you to legally teach online with non-Thai companies from. No legal requirement for WP or non-imm B. 

 

 

https://www.coworker.com/thailand

 

https://techsauce.co/country/thailand/13-coworking-space-in-thailand/

 

 

Cheers.

Edited April 26, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Johnniey]

2 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Of course.

 

Because it doesn't break any laws, be it immigration or labor. 

 

There are even co-working offices you can go to do it, such as here:

 

 

 

Immigration showed up once with lots of officers and took everyone down to immigration as they thought that they were 'working in Thailand' ie, working for the company. When they realized that they were only working remotely for non-Thai companies and business while here (fully legal to do under the immigration and labor laws of Thailand). All released with smiles. No laws broken.

 

Google 'Punspace chiang mai raid' if you're interested.

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

I guess Loaded will disappear for a while  

[Loaded]

There's no problem with digital nomads working on their blogs, posting on TV, drinking coffee and looking busy in a co-working space. However, there are no online teachers in those photos. This is what happens when online teachers teach from a co-working space.

 

17 Foreigners Arrested in Chiang Mai for Teaching English Online

17 foreigners have been apprehended by Thai Immigration Police at Riverside Condo on Chiang Mai for in a modified office for working illegally in the country after they were found providing online English courses to Chinese customers.

 

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/17-foreigners-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-teaching-english-online.html

 

[Loaded]

21 hours ago, Loaded said:

"To be able to legally work in Thailand the foreigner must have a valid non-immigrant visa and a work permit issued in his name allowing him to perform a specific job at a specific location for a specific company in Thailand."

 

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act

 

Show me the exclusion for remote workers, online teachers or overseas companies without a legal presence in Thailand.

 

You can't, but everything is OK because you, and a digital gonad blog, says it is.

 

get legal crims.

 

 

Get legal guys.

[Loaded]

16 hours ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Digital nomads are people who are location independent and use technology to perform their job.

 

Online tutoring/teaching is location independent and use technology to perform their job.

 

 

"

If you are working for a Thai company, you will need a non-immigrant (type  visa and then a work permit in order to work legally.

If you are a ‘digital nomad’ running your own business on the internet, the immigration office says you can do this on a tourist visa."

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

 

Slightly different transliteration but the Pol. Col. quoted here as saying teaching online is OK, no problem, you can do it, don't worry is the same Pol. Col. here arresting foreign online teachers.

 

" 17 foreigners have been apprehended by Thai Immigration Police at Riverside Condo on Chiang Mai for in a modified office for working illegally in the country after they were found providing online English courses to Chinese customers.

 

Pol Col Rutjapong Sarnwanangkul, superintendent of the Chiang Mai immigration police office, found they were providing English language instruction via the internet to Chinese living in China. "

 

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/17-foreigners-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-teaching-english-online.html

[Loaded]

If you want to put this thread to bed, you'll have to agree that the appropriate visa and work permit is required for any type of work conducted in Thailand. However, working from home, it's highly unlikely that you will be caught.

[Happy Grumpy]

46 minutes ago, Loaded said:

However, there are no online teachers in those photos.

Source?

 

How do you know that?

 

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This is what happens when online teachers teach from a co-working space.

Incorrect. That's not a co-working space.

 

You're wrong again. 

 

That's what happens when employed by a Thai firm.

 

you left out these sentences:

 

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"claimed to be the manager of the online language firm, found to be operated without permission."

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They included the Canadian man, who served as the firm’s manager, 

 

They weren't working remotely, they were working for a firm in Thailand and thus came under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

 

Working remotely for a non-Thai firm or firm that isn't in Thailand, you don't come under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

No WP or non-B required. 

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 2018 by Happy Grumpy

[Loaded]

Can't you read?

 

"To be able to legally work in Thailand the foreigner must have a valid non-immigrant visa and a work permit issued in his name allowing him to perform a specific job at a specific location for a specific company in Thailand."

 

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/translations/foreign-employment-working-of-aliens-act

 

Show me the exclusion for remote workers, online teachers or overseas companies without a legal presence in Thailand.

[Loaded]

24 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Source?

 

How do you know that?

 

Incorrect. That's not a co-working space.

 

You're wrong again. 

 

That's what happens when employed by a Thai firm.

 

you left out these sentences:

 

 

They weren't working remotely, they were working for a firm in Thailand and thus came under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

 

Working remotely for a non-Thai firm or firm that isn't in Thailand, you don't come under the Alien Worker's Act.

 

No WP or non-B required. 

 

Pol. Col. Rutphong Sanwanangkun, Superintendent of Chiang Mai Immigration.

 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

Where does it say they were working for a Thai company?

 

They were working for a Chinese online company that begins with 'a' and ends with '0'.

 

 

[puchooay]

45 minutes ago, Loaded said:

Where does it say they were working for a Thai company?

 

They were working for a Chinese online company that begins with 'a' and ends with '0'.

 

 

They were working for BOI360Max. A Thai company operating in ChiangMai. They did not have the correct licence. Hence the raid. 

[AGareth2]

what we need is a definition of 'working in Thailand"

[Loaded]

26 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

what we need is a definition of 'working in Thailand"

That is the problem. Following the letter of the law, it's just about anything including online teaching. The law hasn't caught up with modern working practices, yet. Hence, technically, you need the appropriate visa and work permit to teach online. However, there's widespread tolerance of online teaching if it's not noticed. This may change in the future.