Wine cask drought !

[simoh1490]

29 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

No pun intended but here's the acid test - if you were in the UK and you could buy MC, would you? Imagine you're sat at home in the evening when that feeling comes over, Mmm, I could really fancy a pint of Pedigree or Old Wallop. Can you imagine doing the same thing with MC. 

Bump

[dick dasterdly]

5 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Bump

You felt the need to'bump' your own opinion???

 

It boils down to 'wine is very expensive/good wine unaffordable unless extremely wealthy, a few posters feel superior by saying they buy 500-800 bht bottles of plonk .

[overherebc]

15 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Agree, it is off topic, and it's a pointless argument/discussion and it falls into the same category as, "how long is a piece of string".

 

We all have different tastes, like different styles of wine, prefer different grapes and so on, so one drinks what one likes. There was never a more convincing argument to this when a French winemaker dismissed the bottle of Grange I had given him to taste as, "too fruit driven, not enough complexity, in your face (or his equivalent) and with no finesse". That about perhaps one of Australia's finest bottles of red wine!

 

You can buy a decent bottle of red wine here for under 800 baht, and indeed I have sourced one which I now buy at 460 baht (selling elsewhere for 520, but IMO could easily be in the 750 baht plus bracket) and it is very good indeed and I buy as much of it as I can store at any one time. There are some good examples of Italian wines made in the appassimento style for around 700 baht and even a couple of wines from the USA which I particularly like.

 

It has nothing to do with superiority and everything to do with individual tastes, and sometimes with one's individual budget.

Some Italian reds at 5/600 baht for me are much better than some french at 1/2000 baht.

It's just what individuals prefer.

[simoh1490]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

You felt the need to'bump' your own opinion???

 

It boils down to 'wine is very expensive/good wine unaffordable unless extremely wealthy, a few posters feel superior by saying they buy 500-800 bht bottles of plonk .

It was a question, as evidenced by the squirly thingy with a dot underneath, surely you've seen them before.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, overherebc said:

Some Italian reds at 5/600 baht for me are much better than some french at 1/2000 baht.

It's just what individuals prefer.

It's still 'plonk' - compared to the wines we'd drink in our home countries.

[Lucky mike]

The idea of drinking wine was to make you feel better and if lucky taste great as well.  I like many other cannot afford premium wines but enjoy a rough red with my friends....cheers !

[simoh1490]

1 minute ago, Lucky mike said:

The idea of drinking wine was to make you feel better and if lucky taste great as well.  I like many other cannot afford premium wines but enjoy a rough red with my friends....cheers !

Not so, wine is intended to improve digestion and to bring out the flavour in foods, ask any Fench man. Getting pissed on it is a secondary purpose.

[overherebc]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

It's still 'plonk' - compared to the wines we'd drink in our home countries.

Not really, The days of the wine snobs who waffle on about hints of srawberry with undertones of chocolate and oak bla bla are gone.

Now it's, that's nice, etc etc.

What I don't like about 'fruit wine' is the overpowering sweetness and the fact that their is no information on the juice that is added.

What is it? Where did it come from etc etc?

I believe it's just a way to make cheap crap taste sweet so it's more fitting to the local taste that is hooked on sugar.

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Not so, wine is intended to improve digestion and to bring out the flavour in foods, ask any Fench man. Getting pissed on it is a secondary purpose.

Not for most out here.

Plus stemming from a couple of hundred years ago the water would probably kill you so wine and beer were much safer.

[Lucky mike]

10 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Not so, wine is intended to improve digestion and to bring out the flavour in foods, ask any Fench man. Getting pissed on it is a secondary purpose.

Nothing was mentioned about getting pissed maybe they do in Fance ?

[khunPer]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

If that "wine" is called " ..........Galetis" then that is also a Fruit Wine!

Got a blue tax label and is tapped (into box) by the French chateau, not the orange-like used on so-called fruit-wine.

 

Don't care so much if it's the one or the other kind of affordable table wine – so-called fruit wine or "real" wine – if the taste is what I like. And as I don't like the Mont Clair stuff, I normally don't mind spending a few hundred baht more for a 3-4 ltr. carton; but of course there's a limit of how much overprice it's worth paying for an otherwise cheap table wine, compared to now-and-then instead buy a well-known bottle...

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

Got a blue tax label and is tapped (into box) by the French chateau, not the orange-like used on so-called fruit-wine

If it is called Fleur de Galetis then it is a French produced wine mixed with fruit juice and exported to Thailand, hence the blue tax label.

 

Having said that I totally agree with your comment about drinking what one likes, because that's really what it's all about.

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

If it is called Fleur de Galetis then it is a French produced wine mixed with fruit juice and exported to Thailand, hence the blue tax label.

 

Having said that I totally agree with your comment about drinking what one likes, because that's really what it's all about.

Thanks for your comment. I cannot say if "Fleur de Galetis", might have been, the boxes are gone. Just tested a couple of times in red and rosé, which both were really Okay house table wines. I cwill normally enjoy a glass of wine for dinner of Spanish-import Osborne's "Finca Malpica" by Siam-winery (stated as fruit wine) in both red and white, and "Peter Vella" red. 

 

It's both a question of taste – and food – and what one is used to. If you're for example use to drink French Chablis-wine, then the Californian Chablis may not taste at all, but if after some time one can get used to the Californian variation, and later the French Chablis has the "wrong" taste. I have difficulty with enjoying Chile and South African Wine – does Mont Clair originate from South Africa? – but it could be a question of just getting used to them...

[xylophone]

39 minutes ago, khunPer said:

It's both a question of taste – and food – and what one is used to. If you're for example use to drink French Chablis-wine, then the Californian Chablis may not taste at all, but if after some time one can get used to the Californian variation, and later the French Chablis has the "wrong" taste. I have difficulty with enjoying Chile and South African Wine – does Mont Clair originate from South Africa? – but it could be a question of just getting used to them...

I agree entirely with your comment about it is, "what one is used to" in respect of wines and I did allude to something similar in a previous post. And I'll go step further with that and state that in general, French folks brought up on the everyday French wines, won't like the everyday Australian wine; Italians would be similar and I will even go so far as to state that a friend from the USA said that Shiraz/Syrah wine is "poor", mainly because he's only tasted poor examples in his home country.

 

It's very much a case of what we get used to and experiencing and getting to like different tastes/wines can take time, if indeed one ever moves away from what they were bought up on.

 

Montclair does originate from South Africa in the form of grape juice shipped to Thailand and then fermented, along with the addition of some fruit/juice (hibiscus I believe) and I'm not sure of the exact process, in fact I don't think anyone outside of the Siam Winery is.

 

I don't like it because for some reason it seems to give me a bit of a headache in the morning and I don't have to drink much of it in order for it to do that – – don't ask me why? Not only that it is a very one-dimensional wine (I was trying to steer away from snob speak) and by that I mean what you get on your first taste, is what you'll get on your last taste and there are no depths of flavour or nuances of other flavours as you drink it.

 

Both South Africa and Chile make some very good wines indeed, none of which include fruit juice, and those wines are an entirely different class to the fruit wines we can sometimes get here.

 

Give them a try and persevere and you may get to like them.

[khunPer]

On 3/21/2018 at 11:06 AM, xylophone said:

If it is called Fleur de Galetis then it is a French produced wine mixed with fruit juice and exported to Thailand, hence the blue tax label.

Just to answer this, yes it is called "Fleur de Galetis", I found a few unsold cartons in BigC – seems like not many drinks rosé wine...