London murder rate overtakes New York's

[anon789561]

3 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

But it happens from time to time. Only one sad and very tragic event when "normal" fans want to watch a game.

 

        https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-worst-instances-of-football-hooliganism-in-England

stabbings among the predominently black community is a daily occurance now from what i read. this whole gangsta rap culture bullshit and TV showing them people flashing the cash, that someone who gets a proper job(of which i'm sure are plentiful even now in London) are stupid. what can they expect. let them kill each other but innocent people become involved. then the drugs they peddle for the turks(heroin), vietnamese (skunk) and coke from many different nations importing creates a problem. not just those little scummy rats at the bottom end of the scale but then the users going around mugging people. i go back from time to time but thankfully in this modern age i can avoid it and talk on skype. some parts are real shit holes now.

[jenny2017]

9 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

stabbings among the predominently black community is a daily occurance now from what i read. this whole gangsta rap culture bullshit and TV showing them people flashing the cash, that someone who gets a proper job(of which i'm sure are plentiful even now in London) are stupid. what can they expect. let them kill each other but innocent people become involved. then the drugs they peddle for the turks(heroin), vietnamese (skunk) and coke from many different nations importing creates a problem. not just those little scummy rats at the bottom end of the scale but then the users going around mugging people. i go back from time to time but thankfully in this modern age i can avoid it and talk on skype. some parts are real shit holes now.

Same in Germany and the joke is that all these plonkers get money from the government. It's a sad world we're living in. 

[StreetCowboy]

52 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So you don't think there is any common link between most of the 50 murder victims in London so far this year?

It's this kind of denial that will prolong the problem.

 

i claudius (who is on your side) said that 'we', meaning he and you, did not say 'most'.  I pointed out that you said 'the vast majority' which sounds a lot like 'most'.  Darkies killing each other is no excuse for racism.  We are better than that.  Well, I hope I am, at least.

[CharlesSwann]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where is your evidence that immigrants commit most of the crimes in the UK?

Kindly cease wanton misunderstanding. This thread is about the crime increase in London, as was my comment.

 

Why are you failing to condemn rampant immigration, given the problems it has caused?

[CG1 Blue]

6 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

i claudius (who is on your side) said that 'we', meaning he and you, did not say 'most'.  I pointed out that you said 'the vast majority' which sounds a lot like 'most'.  Darkies killing each other is no excuse for racism.  We are better than that.  Well, I hope I am, at least.

Ok, but I was talking specifically about the demographic of the 50 murder victims in London this year, so perhaps you shouldn't have lumped us together.

My comments on this matter shouldn't be attributed to a separate discussion on overall crime rates.

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, CharlesSwann said:

Presumably because he knows the demographics of his constituency and is in touch with the local people.

We don't need more police officers, we need less low-life immigrants because they are the source of most of the crime. Let it be said.

 

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where is your evidence that immigrants commit most of the crimes in the UK?

He hasn't got any.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

 

He hasn't got any.

 

3 hours ago, CharlesSwann said:

Kindly cease wanton misunderstanding. This thread is about the crime increase in London, as was my comment.

 

Why are you failing to condemn rampant immigration, given the problems it has caused?

Nope. Nothing at all. Broken record.

[cyberfarang]

On 4/2/2018 at 10:23 AM, Expatthailover said:

Were the Krays and the Richardsons in the 60's 'immegrants'?

To clearly imply that there is a correlation between being native born and white and serious crime followed by 'not wish to sound racist' is at best preposterous and at worst xenophobic.

Amazing that you left the confines of 'your old country'. All those lovely law abiding white folk....swoon.

To be surrounded by non whites and in the main non English speakers must be a terrible ordeal for you. 

Rubbish.

 

The Kray twins were gangsters mostly dealing with those in the underworld, today`s UK crime rates are affecting everyone and without doubt the worse perpetrators are those of ethnic minorities mostly of south Asian and west Indian descent.  Facts are facts that cannot be disputed, this is not racist.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ethnic-minorities-crime-victims-perpetrators-uk-race-report-a7993521.html

 

I am British and sad to say; no longer proud of how my country has been transformed into a third world s*it hole. I wouldn`t want to return there if they housed me for free.

[simple1]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yet racial / demographic profiling by the police authorities is not allowed. 

Just because you cannot be bothered to find factual info, doesn't mean it is not available.

 

Statistics on offenders are published by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Their 'Race and the Criminal Justice System' 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/crimescommittedbyethnicity

Edited April 5, 2018 by simple1

[Justfine]

5 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

So you don't think there is any common link between most of the 50 murder victims in London so far this year?

It's this kind of denial that will prolong the problem.

 

Socialists and commies like violence. They use it for power struggles.

 

 

[Justfine]

1 hour ago, cyberfarang said:

Rubbish.

 

The Kray twins were gangsters mostly dealing with those in the underworld, today`s UK crime rates are affecting everyone and without doubt the worse perpetrators are those of ethnic minorities mostly of south Asian and west Indian descent.  Facts are facts that cannot be disputed, this is not racist.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ethnic-minorities-crime-victims-perpetrators-uk-race-report-a7993521.html

 

I am British and sad to say; no longer proud of how my country has been transformed into a third world s*it hole. I wouldn`t want to return there if they housed me for free.

Thats socialism for you.

[Justfine]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

 

He hasn't got any.

Numerous stats on this. You obviously don't know how to use google.

[Justfine]

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

 

 

[Justfine]

Arrests per 1,000 population by ethnicity and gender

 

Black 81

Mixed 40

Asian 28

Other 25

White 23

 

Socialist poms have imported waves of crims

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

17 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Yet racial / demographic profiling by the police authorities is not allowed. 

Just because you cannot be bothered to find factual info, doesn't mean it is not available.

 

Statistics on offenders are published by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ). Their 'Race and the Criminal Justice System' 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/crimescommittedbyethnicity

Edited 11 hours ago by simple1

We are discussing the escalating problem RIGHT NOW in London.  50+ murders this year so far.  More serious incidents last night:

 

"A boy aged 13 was seriously hurt in an attack in Newham, east London, and another in his late teens suffered stab wounds in Ealing, west London.

Two 15-year-old boys are in serious but stable conditions in hospital after a third incident in Mile End.

A man has been held on suspicion of attempted murder and a boy of 16, who had minor injuries, was also arrested"

 

There is a serious gang problem within the more deprived black communities in London right now. 

 

How many more kids need to die before the left leaning folk realise this and back some targeted action?

 

Edited April 6, 2018 by CG1 Blue

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

We are discussing the escalating problem RIGHT NOW in London.  50+ murders this year so far.  More serious incidents last night:

 

"A boy aged 13 was seriously hurt in an attack in Newham, east London, and another in his late teens suffered stab wounds in Ealing, west London.

Two 15-year-old boys are in serious but stable conditions in hospital after a third incident in Mile End.

A man has been held on suspicion of attempted murder and a boy of 16, who had minor injuries, was also arrested"

 

There is a serious gang problem within the more deprived black communities in London right now. 

 

How many more kids need to die before the left leaning folk realise this and back some targeted action?

 

I'm not sure why you pick on 'left leaning folk'.

 

The crime spree started with Theresa May cutting 20,000 police officers off the UK streets, this was opposed by people across the political spectrum but very specifically by the left. 

 

You might recall the guffawing coming from right-wingers over Dianne Abbot inability to give a cost of placing more police officers on the beat - Yes what a fantastic laugh, but actually the cost that was miscalculated was the deaths and injuries from the crime wave that followed the cut to police numbers. 

 

So yeh off you go, blame the left. 

 

It was Theresa May that cut police numbers and it was the rightwing press that chose to look the other way.

[simple1]

35 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

We are discussing the escalating problem RIGHT NOW in London.  50+ murders this year so far.  More serious incidents last night:

 

"A boy aged 13 was seriously hurt in an attack in Newham, east London, and another in his late teens suffered stab wounds in Ealing, west London.

Two 15-year-old boys are in serious but stable conditions in hospital after a third incident in Mile End.

A man has been held on suspicion of attempted murder and a boy of 16, who had minor injuries, was also arrested"

 

There is a serious gang problem within the more deprived black communities in London right now. 

 

How many more kids need to die before the left leaning folk realise this and back some targeted action?

 

Duh...Collecting stats for tactical and strategic purposes is an ongoing activity. e.g. Met Police publically report monthly on knife crime with injury by borough.

 

https://www.met.police.uk/stats-and-data/how-we-collect-our-data/

 

https://www.met.police.uk/stats-and-data/hate-crime-dashboard/

 

There would be a lot more info for operational purposes, not in the public domain, such as criminal intelligence activities.

Edited April 6, 2018 by simple1

[cyberfarang]

Even going back 20 years ago when I lived in London, young thugs and yobs were claiming the streets as their own. Try to do something about it, such as inform the police or retaliate and these thugs would target you until not able to live in an area anymore, and the police would come down hard on victims trying to defend themselves. Try laying hands on thugs if you or your property comes under attack and the police will instantly arrest you and you will be jailed.

 

These are not just boisterous young kids and teens out for causing a bit of mischief, they could be described as gangland terrorists with the potential to murder, which exactly what is happening.

 

The police and courts have limited powers to deal with these yobs, and they know it. Young thugs and gangs have become known as the untouchables due to the laws that work against the victims in favour of the thugs. It is also widely known that the police and courts will try to cover up serious crimes committed by ethnic minorities or otherwise known as, cultural enrichment.

 

Protest against open border immigration, lax laws and the softly softly approach to youth crime and those that are the main perpetrators of anti social and violent crimes in Britain, then you will labeled as a racist and a subversive that under the present laws carries penalties of heavy fines and even imprisonment for speaking out. Also these events are fueling the support for ultra right wing Fascist groups in the UK and Europe.

 

Unless serious actions are taken to kerb unlimited immigration into the country and spiraling out of control crime levels, then civil unrest will be inevitable among the British people, when the time will come and will say; enough is enough. 

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I'm not sure why you pick on 'left leaning folk'.

 

The crime spree started with Theresa May cutting 20,000 police officers off the UK streets, this was opposed by people across the political spectrum but very specifically by the left. 

 

You might recall the guffawing coming from right-wingers over Dianne Abbot inability to give a cost of placing more police officers on the beat - Yes what a fantastic laugh, but actually the cost that was miscalculated was the deaths and injuries from the crime wave that followed the cut to police numbers. 

 

So yeh off you go, blame the left. 

 

It was Theresa May that cut police numbers and it was the rightwing press that chose to look the other way.

I agree the Tory cuts to policing is a major contributory factor.  The cuts to policing are a disgrace IMO.

 

But the important thing is how we take action to curtail this escalating problem now.

 

We need a short term solution and a long term solution. The short term solution would involve ramping up stop and search in the problem areas, and targeting the young black youths in the areas where these killings are taking place.

But this kind of action tends to anger the more vocal lefties.

The 'left' have a responsibility to take one for the team here. Or the number of 2018 London murders will continue to rise.

[CG1 Blue]

52 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Duh...Collecting stats for tactical and strategic purposes is an ongoing activity. e.g. Met Police publically report monthly on knife crime with injury by borough.

 

https://www.met.police.uk/stats-and-data/how-we-collect-our-data/

 

https://www.met.police.uk/stats-and-data/hate-crime-dashboard/

 

There would be a lot more info for operational purposes, not in the public domain, such as criminal intelligence activities.

Maybe so, but they are not cracking down on the right people in the right areas. Swamp these areas with police and give the gangs maximum harassment for say 12 months. Get the ringleaders arrested and imprisoned.

Data is all very good, but action is required. It may upset a lot of left wingers, but so be it.

 

P.S. I gather you're still in your teens using "Duh", so perhaps you still have a lot to learn. 

[cyberfarang]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I agree the Tory cuts to policing is a major contributory factor.  The cuts to policing are a disgrace IMO.

 

But the important thing is how we take action to curtail this escalating problem now.

 

We need a short term solution and a long term solution. The short term solution would involve ramping up stop and search in the problem areas, and targeting the young black youths in the areas where these killings are taking place.

But this kind of action tends to anger the more vocal lefties.

The 'left' have a responsibility to take one for the team here. Or the number of 2018 London murders will continue to rise.

The police don`t have any real powers anyway, once caught offenders are given a warning and a slap on the wrist. There are no strong deterrents against young criminals and thugs.  What`s the use of increasing the police force if the police don`t have support and backup from the State.

 

Do what they do in the American and Russian systems, prioritise the prison system, open special detention centres for criminal and anti social thugs run like boot camps, made them work for the State and earn their keep. Never happen, because of the leftist do gooders intervention and politicians that have no balls to implement it. 

[simple1]

25 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Maybe so, but they are not cracking down on the right people in the right areas. Swamp these areas with police and give the gangs maximum harassment for say 12 months. Get the ringleaders arrested and imprisoned.<snip>

Below is the Met Police dashboard for gang crime and serious youth violence which would be one of the tools police utilise for allocating limited resources. You can use drop down menus / click through to get detail.

 

https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/data-and-statistics/crime /gangs-dashboard

 

Do you know how many police are allocated to boroughs to address current high level of knife / gang crime, how decisions are made for funding for prioritisation of operational activities with limited funding and so on  - you don't do you - just right wing PC hyperbole.

Edited April 6, 2018 by simple1

[bert bloggs]

As i see it ,to all those who blame Teresa May for cutting the police, it seems that it is the "immegrants and black community" are the ones who are taking advantage ,as very few of those stabbed seem to be indiginous "white" people .

strange that , seems if we had not let in all these people we would not have had a problem with cuts ,doesnt it?

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I'm not sure why you pick on 'left leaning folk'.

It could be that when the Police target young ethnic kids for Stop& Search , looking for weapons .

   The do-gooders make a claim that this is racist an demand an equal number of white OAPs also get searched for weapons , the Police cannot target the knife crime perpetrators , without being accused of racism .

[CG1 Blue]

48 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Below is the Met Police dashboard for gang crime and serious youth violence which would be one of the tools police utilise for allocating limited resources. You can use drop down menus / click through to get detail.

 

https://www.london.gov.uk/what-we-do/mayors-office-policing-and-crime-mopac/data-and-statistics/crime /gangs-dashboard

 

Do you know how many police are allocated to boroughs to address current high level of knife / gang crime, how decisions are made for funding for prioritisation of operational activities with limited funding and so on  - you don't do you - just right wing PC hyperbole.

It's no good quoting current policy. This is what Sadiq Khan is doing, and the problem still escalates.  

 

Drastic action / change is required now. Something radical. But you obviously don't agree, so let's leave it there.

 

 

[anon789561]

19 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

Same in Germany and the joke is that all these plonkers get money from the government. It's a sad world we're living in. 

i kid you not. my mum lives in central london, the last time i went back xmas before last i got her to meet me at heathrow, rented a car and went to stay at my sisters in the near cheltenham. nice around there still but then there's hardly any . . . . no that would be racist

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, Happy enough said:

i kid you not. my mum lives in central london, the last time i went back xmas before last i got her to meet me at heathrow, rented a car and went to stay at my sisters in the near cheltenham. nice around there still but then there's hardly any . . . . no that would be racist

Such a relief that you made it all the way to Cheltenham in your rented car without being attacked by immigrant hordes on the way.

Edited April 6, 2018 by SheungWan

[SheungWan]

16 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

Rubbish.

 

The Kray twins were gangsters mostly dealing with those in the underworld, today`s UK crime rates are affecting everyone and without doubt the worse perpetrators are those of ethnic minorities mostly of south Asian and west Indian descent.  Facts are facts that cannot be disputed, this is not racist.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ethnic-minorities-crime-victims-perpetrators-uk-race-report-a7993521.html

 

I am British and sad to say; no longer proud of how my country has been transformed into a third world s*it hole. I wouldn`t want to return there if they housed me for free.

It would help if some people were able to read more than just the link headline ie the body of the article, but then that is probably asking too much when they are just wanting an excuse for a rant.

[malagateddy]

Imo..punishment should fit crime..death penalty if necessary..life sentence to mean life..hard labour every day..1 meal a day..no mobile phones..gym..tv..etc..no holiday camp prisons.
Also..time the Paras were deployed in " rough " areas to work alongside the police.

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[anon789561]

this is what the chairman of Haringeys independent stop and search monitoring group said "

_{"I think we need a curfew in place for those aged 21 and under between 9pm and 7am to get a grip of what's going on across the hotspot areas, particularly in north London - the high-crime areas where the murders are happening.}

_{"We ought to have some sort of respite and think outside the box. So if you've not got a good reason to be on the street and you're just hanging around, you should be in your home. What happens is that big groups hang about on the street or in McDonald's intimidating people. The police can't do much; if they move them on they group just goes elsewhere"}