British lawmakers, celebrities call for 'people's vote' on Brexit

[webfact]

British lawmakers, celebrities call for 'people's vote' on Brexit

 

A pedestrian shields himself with a British union flag umbrella as he passes a billboard with a Brexit related campaign slogan in Leicester Square, London, Britain, March 29, 2018. REUTERS/Toby Melville

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Lawmakers, celebrities and business leaders launched a campaign on Sunday to call for a vote on any final Brexit deal, stepping up a campaign to try to stop what they describe as Britain's damaging departure from the European Union.

 

At a launch in north London, lawmakers from both the governing Conservative Party and opposition Labour joined with hundreds of others to press for what they described as a "people's vote" on Brexit.

 

Both Prime Minister Theresa May's Conservatives and the main opposition Labour Party have ruled out a second referendum after Britons voted 52-48 percent to leave the bloc almost two years ago, and the country is due to leave the EU in March next year.

 

Actor Patrick Stewart, a supporter of the People's Vote campaign, said campaigners were not asking for a second referendum, but rather wanted "another chance to consider what the terms of this divorce are going to be".

 

"As time has gone by ... the information that we are receiving about the terms and conditions of that separation are quite unlike the terms and conditions that were spoken of so loosely during the 2016 campaign," he told the BBC.

 

Some opinion polls have shown a slight shift in favour of remaining in the European Union, but there has yet to be a decisive change in attitudes and many in Britain say they have become increasingly bored by Brexit.

 

May has repeatedly said she will deliver what she calls the will of the people and on Sunday Foreign Minister Boris Johnson voiced optimism for the kind of deal Britain could win.

 

"People had a vote, it was a great vote, and they voted with a substantial majority to leave the EU," he told the BBC.

 

He went on to directly answer Stewart, who he mistakenly suggested had worked on Star Wars. Stewart had a role in "Star Trek: The Next Generation".

 

"(We) will be able to boldly go again to areas that perhaps we have neglected ... friendly wonderful places where we can renew old friendships, rebuild relationships and develop fantastic new free trade deals."

 

(Reporting by Elizabeth Piper; Editing by Matthew Mpoke Bigg)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-04-16

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, webfact said:

He went on to directly answer Stewart, who he mistakenly suggested had worked on Star Wars. Stewart had a role in "Star Trek: The Next Generation".

Boris Johnson got his facts wrong while discussing brexit. 

 

Some things never change. 

[Samui Bodoh]

4 minutes ago, webfact said:

Lawmakers, celebrities and business leaders launched a campaign on Sunday to call for a vote on any final Brexit deal, stepping up a campaign to try to stop what they describe as Britain's damaging departure from the European Union.

Great idea!

 

When people voted before, they didn't really know what they were voting for; Hard Brexit? Soft Brexit? Something in-between? Best to give people a chance to approve of the negotiations now; failure to do so may well lead to huge disgruntlement later.

 

The UK voted to do a momentous thing in leaving the EU. A decision of this magnitude needs confirmation.

 

 

[Grouse]

As President May clearly is able to strike Syria and risk igniting WW3; I don't see what additional "sovereignty" could possibly be desired!

 

I note that Germany was against taking action but President Macron was able to direct France's forces with impunity.

 

What is this lack of sovereignty the Brexiters feel is so important that they are happy to live with huge economic damage as a result? Laws on the geometry of bananas?

 

No, a PEOPLES vote on the deal is a good idea! Heh, it's democracy innit?

[malagateddy]

Oh well..the pretentious luvvys are at it again..just wonder if any of them have "neighbours from hell".
The ones involved in organised crime..eg.
Child prostutution..people trafficking..drugs etc etc.
Pity the eu luvvys would never dream of living in an area like Govanhill in Glasgow.
They like to talk the talk..not walk the walk

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[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Oh well..the pretentious luvvys are at it again..just wonder if any of them have "neighbours from hell".
The ones involved in organised crime..eg.
Child prostutution..people trafficking..drugs etc etc.
Pity the eu luvvys would never dream of living in an area like Govanhill in Glasgow.
They like to talk the talk..not walk the walk

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What's wrong with Glaswegians? I have no problem with the Scots or any of our European friends.

[malagateddy]

What's wrong with Glaswegians? I have no problem with the Scots or any of our European friends.

My point being that certain eu immigrants are conducting serious criminal activities in Govanhill..the eu luvvys never think about the normal man/woman who have to suffer because of certain scummy eu immigrants

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[evadgib]

31 minutes ago, Grouse said:

As President May clearly is able to strike Syria and risk igniting WW3; I don't see what additional "sovereignty" could possibly be desired!

 

I note that Germany was against taking action but President Macron was able to direct France's forces with impunity.

 

What is this lack of sovereignty the Brexiters feel is so important that they are happy to live with huge economic damage as a result? Laws on the geometry of bananas?

 

No, a PEOPLES vote on the deal is a good idea! Heh, it's democracy innit?

The Syria strike was an operational necessity that couldn't wait as we'll hear later in parliament.

Brexit has been a clusterf... from start to finish. I want out and I'm glad we're going but Cameron had no plan B , resulting in chaos.

[yogi100]

45 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Oh well..the pretentious luvvys are at it again..just wonder if any of them have "neighbours from hell".
The ones involved in organised crime..eg.
Child prostutution..people trafficking..drugs etc etc.
Pity the eu luvvys would never dream of living in an area like Govanhill in Glasgow.
They like to talk the talk..not walk the walk

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Exactly what I thought when I saw the topic. The lawyer makers and 'celebrities' don't have to live alongside foreign riff raff whose presence we were never consulted about in the first place.

 

Benedict Blundersnatch, Lily Allen, Judy Law & Co live in a different world.

[yogi100]

52 minutes ago, Grouse said:

What's wrong with Glaswegians? I have no problem with the Scots or any of our European friends.

 

I doubt that he's referring to the local Scottish people.

[Expatthailover]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Oh well..the pretentious luvvys are at it again..just wonder if any of them have "neighbours from hell".
The ones involved in organised crime..eg.
Child prostutution..people trafficking..drugs etc etc.
Pity the eu luvvys would never dream of living in an area like Govanhill in Glasgow.
They like to talk the talk..not walk the walk

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So all neighbours from hell are non british?

Long live alf garnet eh.

You need to have a look at current british crime stat

Amazing how many little englanders believe that on brexit day the uk will become 'Jerusalem', all good white folk will once again have long term jobs and pockets full of dosh. Dancing round the maypoles drinking real ale and watching reruns of only fools and horses on a loop.

Delusion doesnt begin to describe it.

Farage and cronies appealed to the lowest common denominator in politics....xenophobia.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Expatthailover

[RichardColeman]

You lost, get over it.

 

As for 2nd vote on agreeing terms or not. Yeah, OK, a yes or no vote to accept is fine. But there will be no re-negotiating. It will be a take it or leave it. No re-run to stay in. Democracy has spoken.

[RickBradford]

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No, a PEOPLES vote on the deal is a good idea! Heh, it's democracy innit?

 

They already did that. The 'Leave' side won.

 

It is not democracy when you keep on rerunning "popular votes" until you get the result you want. Ask the Irish, who voted "No" in a 2008 referendum on ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon, and were told to go away and do it again, and this time get the right answer. They did.

 

That is more reminiscent of the school playground, where cries of "It wasn't fair!", or "Let's make it 2 out of 3!" are frequently heard. No wonder, then, that "celebrities" are involved in this.

[Nostridamus2018]

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Great idea!

 

When people voted before, they didn't really know what they were voting for; Hard Brexit? Soft Brexit? Something in-between? Best to give people a chance to approve of the negotiations now; failure to do so may well lead to huge disgruntlement later.

 

The UK voted to do a momentous thing in leaving the EU. A decision of this magnitude needs confirmation.

 

 

I most certainly knew what I was voting for so what gives you the right to say that I didn't.   "Hard Bexit'/ 'Soft Brexit".  Rubbish there's only Brexit.  You are merely repeating the tired and well-worn dogma of the left-leaning luvvies and have no evidence to substantiate your comment.  All the dire consequences that were going to happen on day one after the vote if we voted to leave have not happened and was a most certainly 'project fear'.   Get over it, Britain as a Nation decided to leave the unelected undemocratic EU. and thank God we did.  No need for a vote on whether the deal is acceptable.   Should Mrs. May and her colleagues believe that the final deal is not good enough the remedy is simple, we just walk away.    But that is not going to happen because the EU needs the UK's money and its markets. 

 

Summary:  The EU needs the UK more than we need the EU.

 

Let's stop fighting yesterdays battles, they have happened, and instead, together face the future as a nation with confidence  

 

All the signs are that the UK is now entering a period of stability with ING Bank analyst today being the latest to forecast that 2018 will be a bright year for the pound sterling and calling it 'the darling currency of the world in 2018'. 

 

We knew that there would be bumps in the road but the Brits have been here before but we know we can deal with it should we need to.

 

I firmly believe the vote to leave was the right decision.

[sammieuk1]

Lies and aspiration led the flat cap brexit north up the garden path on the expectations all immigrants would be expunged the following day and £350 million pw would be ploughed into the NHS together with the likes of Boris saying that we would end up with a better deal out than in seams a very good reason to revote with now known facts .

So far as I see it the only benefit in the 2 years since the vote is to foreign investors and tourists buying up housing stock and cheap holidays on the back of a dog tired pound.    

[malagateddy]

So all neighbours from hell are non british?
Long live alf garnet eh.
You need to have a look at current british crime stat
Amazing how many little englanders believe that on brexit day the uk will become 'Jerusalem', all good white folk will once again have long term jobs and pockets full of dosh. Dancing round the maypoles drinking real ale and watching reruns of only fools and horses on a loop.
Delusion doesnt begin to describe it.
Farage and cronies appealed to the lowest common denominator in politics....xenophobia.

Obviously not all neighbours from hell are eu immigrants..but in Glasgow the crime rate is ..up.up.up.
I point out to you that I keep in touch with friends who live in Glasgow where I lived until almost 4 years ago.
Some of them are retired Police Officers..some of their kids are serving Police Officers..and the stories they tell me..enough said.
Also..IMO..Nigel Farange is a PATRIOT along with Sir William Cash.The late Enoch Powell and the late Tony Wedgewood Benn saw right through the fraudulent corrupt brussels shambles.
Britain should only accept migrants who will enhance the country.

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[Nostridamus2018]

19 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Lies and aspiration led the flat cap brexit north up the garden path on the expectations all immigrants would be expunged the following day and £350 million pw would be ploughed into the NHS together with the likes of Boris saying that we would end up with a better deal out than in seams a very good reason to revote with now known facts .

So far as I see it the only benefit in the 2 years since the vote is to foreign investors and tourists buying up housing stock and cheap holidays on the back of a dog tired pound.    

How condescending of you to talk about the 'flat cap Brexit North'!  A derogatory comment if I ever heard one.

 

The Leave Camp accepted that there would continue to be a requirement for an inflow of suitably qualified people and I think that to believe we would stop all immigrants was never contemplated albeit some element of society might have wished for that outcome.  Day 1 of effects of Brexit will only be on 30 March 2019 and not before.   If I remember correctly the slogan on the side of the Bus stated 350 million more for the NHS.   It did not include the word 'now'.   How could we fund the NHS to that extent when we had not left the EU and still had the obligation to pay our subscription.

 

Your comment that you have not seen any material benefit in the 2 years since the vote demonstrates you have no idea of what you are talking about as we do not leave until 29 March 2019.

[jesimps]

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Great idea!

 

When people voted before, they didn't really know what they were voting for; Hard Brexit? Soft Brexit? Something in-between? Best to give people a chance to approve of the negotiations now; failure to do so may well lead to huge disgruntlement later.

 

The UK voted to do a momentous thing in leaving the EU. A decision of this magnitude needs confirmation.

 

 

Only if you're pissed off with the result.

[Emster23]

What you get when you buy a pig in a poke. Perhaps there is some fair trade act etc that might cover deceptive promotions to negate the vote?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Obviously not all neighbours from hell are eu immigrants..but in Glasgow the crime rate is ..up.up.up.

 

Sorry, Teddy, but did you get this nugget from the Big Brexit Book of 'Facts'  by N. Farage, by any chance?

source

 

[edwinchester]

How about a referendum on whether the British public should have a vote on the final Brexit deal?

[malagateddy]

R/r..I was talking about organised crime..not trivia crime.
You do know that if the Police issue you with eg a speeding ticket..crime committed..pay the fine and crime is solved..ditto parking tickets issued by the police.
By the way..be wary of any Govt's facts/figures..just look at very recent events!!

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[sammieuk1]

13 minutes ago, Nostridamus2018 said:

How condescending of you to talk about the 'flat cap Brexit North'!  A derogatory comment if I ever heard one.

 

The Leave Camp accepted that there would continue to be a requirement for an inflow of suitably qualified people and I think that to believe we would stop all immigrants was never contemplated albeit some element of society might have wished for that outcome.  Day 1 of effects of Brexit will only be on 30 March 2019 and not before.   If I remember correctly the slogan on the side of the Bus stated 350 million more for the NHS.   It did not include the word 'now'.   How could we fund the NHS to that extent when we had not left the EU and still had the obligation to pay our subscription.

 

Your comment that you have not seen any material benefit in the 2 years since the vote demonstrates you have no idea of what you are talking about as we do not leave until 29 March 2019.

If the cap fits. So the magic will instantly appear on the 29th of march haha then now who has no idea and as for the NHS contributions has this been put back 2030 or longer after your forgotten divorce bill of a much talked about 50 - 70 billion euros plus the 7 quarters budget payments we have to make after the 29th of March. 

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, yogi100 said:

The lawyer makers and 'celebrities' don't have to live alongside foreign riff raff

And who do you consider to be "foreign riff raff" pray? 

 

What have lawyer makers done to harm you? I think you meant cheesmakers?

 

No, it's time intellectuals spoke up. I for one are tired of listening to British riff raff.

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

I doubt that he's referring to the local Scottish people.

Obviously; it was a quip!

 

I remember when The British had a sense of humour. I blame foreigners, me.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Obviously not all neighbours from hell are eu immigrants..but in Glasgow the crime rate is ..up.up.up.
I point out to you that I keep in touch with friends who live in Glasgow where I lived until almost 4 years ago.
Some of them are retired Police Officers..some of their kids are serving Police Officers..and the stories they tell me..enough said.
Also..IMO..Nigel Farange is a PATRIOT along with Sir William Cash.The late Enoch Powell and the late Tony Wedgewood Benn saw right through the fraudulent corrupt brussels shambles.
Britain should only accept migrants who will enhance the country.

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Agreed, Europeans!

[The manic]

Do these clowns believe in a people's vote/referendum for the other Euro states?

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, The manic said:

Do these clowns believe in a people's vote/referendum for the other Euro states?

On what deal?

[The manic]

15 minutes ago, Grouse said:

On what deal?

To leave the EU.

[evadgib]

Glad to see you're on form Grouse