Law, 50.000 income required to have work permit

[Putu94]

My Son is finish his study on the university soon (July) ( tourism and hotel Management)

(Son 24 , is farang with Dutch Nationality )

For the moment he has his last Stage in Pullman Hotel Khonkaen.

His manager have told him she could not help him because there is law that he need to earn 50.000 Bt

to have a work permit.

I look every where but not find anything about this rule.

 

If this is true is almost impossible to find work 

 

thank you in advance

[StayinThailand2much]

From Thailand Law Online website:

Minimum income requirement for foreigners working in Thailand

From the 10 th of July 2004 , foreigners applying for non-immigrant visa extensions for employment in Thailand will have to meet an increased minimum monthly salary requirement by nationality and amount. It should be noted that this regulation applies to employees in the corporate sector (profit-making business). Employees with lower monthly salaries in other professions, such as teachers, can apply for non-immigrant visa extensions and work permits for employment in Thailand provided that the are able to provide an official letter of confirmation from a relevant government agency.

Country	Previous	Last (not updated)
Canada, Japan, United States	40,000 THB	60,000 THB
Europe (incl. UK) Australia	35,000 THB	50,000 THB
Hong Kong, Malaysia, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan	30,000 THB	45,000 THB
China, India, Indonesia, Middle East, Philippines	25,000 THB	35,000 THB
Africa, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam	20,000 THB	25,000 THB
Persons working for newspapers in Thailand	12,000 THB	20,000 THB

 

 

Edited April 20, 2018 by StayinThailand2much

[ubonjoe]

There is no minimum salary to apply for and have a work permit issued.

To apply for an extension of stay based upon working there is a minimum salary based upon nationality.

From police order 327/2557.

 

[ubonjoe]

17 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

From Thailand Law Online website:

That list is not correct. Not sure where you actually found it since you did not post a link to it.

[Putu94]

Thanks for reply

If my son is agree for a less salary 

is that possible?

living and study here for 10 years, 

It looks to me now he can not ind a job with is age

 

 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Putu94 said:

Thanks for reply

If my son is agree for a less salary 

is that possible?

living and study here for 10 years, 

It looks to me now he can not ind a job with is age

 

Keep in mind they can pay him less and report his income and pay his taxes as if he is making the 50,000.   It's not entirely legal, but not uncommon.

 

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, Putu94 said:

If my son is agree for a less salary 

is that possible?

It is a firm requirement to have a minimum salary to get an extension at immigration based upon working.

There is none to get a work permit.

Some people that cannot meet the salary requirement for the extension use multiple entry non-b visas to stay in the country. They have to leave and re-enter the country every 90 days for a new entry. But getting the multiple entry non-b visa is difficult since many embassies and consulate will not issue them for working.

[blackcab]

54 minutes ago, Putu94 said:

Thanks for reply

If my son is agree for a less salary 

is that possible?

living and study here for 10 years, 

It looks to me now he can not ind a job with is age

 

Hotels only employ non-Thai chefs for the most senior positions. The Executive Chef, possibly the Pâtissier, etc. It depends on the size of the hotel.

 

Line cooks and sous chefs will be Thai. Why would a company hire a non-Thai to do a simple job when they have to pay 3 times the salary and go through all of the work permit and immigration problems.

 

This is quite apart from the fact that work permits in the hospitality industry are only issued for management positions. Work permits are not issued for junior positions as one of the requirements for a work permit is to explain why a Thai person cannot do the job.

 

Ask your son the last time he saw a western junior line cook working in a hotel with a work permit. The answer is never.

 

Assuming he can cook excellent Thai food, what he should be doing is taking his skills to European hotels, where he will be in great demand.

 

He can come back to work in Thailand in 10-15 years, when his experience will be valued.

[Putu94]

sorry we never talked about being a cook.

tourism and Hotel management is different study

Besides he has the skill of fluently speak and write  4 languages 

Thai, English, Dutch and German

[Swimman]

3 minutes ago, Putu94 said:

sorry we never talked about being a cook.

tourism and Hotel management is different study

Besides he has the skill of fluently speak and write  4 languages 

Thai, English, Dutch and German

Given the education and language skills, I doubt employment will be difficult to find but the salary offered may not reach 50,000 Bht. given the lack of employment history/work experience.

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, Putu94 said:

sorry we never talked about being a cook.

tourism and Hotel management is different study

Besides he has the skill of fluently speak and write  4 languages 

Thai, English, Dutch and German

I see 3 options:

 

accept lesser salary, but on paper get 50k for which social security has to be paid;

accept lesser salary and do visa runs on a regular basis in stead of extensions of stay;

don't accept and look elsewhere.

 

[StayinThailand2much]

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

That list is not correct. Not sure where you actually found it since you did not post a link to it.

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/thai-company-and-foreign-business-law/work-permit-for-foreigners-in-thailand

[Swimman]

4 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/thai-company-and-foreign-business-law/work-permit-for-foreigners-in-thailand

Did you note the disclaimer "note: rules and regulations change regularly, information in this page is intended as a general introduction to 'work permits Thailand' and may not be fully up-to-date)"

 

Clearly visible on the opening page of that link.

[jackdd]

To study tourism and hotel Management was of course a bad choice. Thais get paid 10k in this field when they start to work, i think it's nearly impossible for him to start with 50k.

So his choices are:

- What others suggested, officially 50k, but in reality less than that. But that's of course illegal.

- Work somewhere in Europe

- Study something else that pays more

[Briggsy]

Why is the OP so hung up on the 50K rule? The son can just do visa runs every 90 days.

 

More importantly he needs to find a job first.

[blackcab]

5 hours ago, Putu94 said:

sorry we never talked about being a cook.

tourism and Hotel management is different study

Besides he has the skill of fluently speak and write  4 languages 

Thai, English, Dutch and German

 

My apologies - I misread your post. When you said stage I assumed he was a chef as chefs stage.

 

My general point remains though. The same thing applies to rooms division and F&B. Foreign hires are limited to the GM, and then possibly the EAM, DOSM and depending on the size of the hotel/group a couple of other key positions.

 

The thing all these positions have in common are that they are senior roles and they are not given to fresh graduates.

 

He has spent long enough in one country. Time to spread his wings and gain experience on other continents.

 

If he's looking to progress then staying in one locale won't look good at all. Start looking on the company website for suitable jobs in other countries. Why stay here and work for peanuts? That's not what he trained for and it's not the way to play the game.

 

I say that as someone who started in the hospitality industry and spent 20 years doing the job.

[onera1961]

9 hours ago, Putu94 said:

tourism and Hotel management is different study

May be he can look for a management, including financial management, position in a western hotel or tour company with specialization in SE Asia and posted in Bangkok

[saakura]

Where has your son done his tourism and hotel Management from, Khonkaen? And is it at an accredited degree course from a good university or a vocational course? If his stepmother is Thai, can she adopt him and get dual citizenship? Then no salary limit will apply.

[smotherb]

23 hours ago, blackcab said:

 

Hotels only employ non-Thai chefs for the most senior positions. The Executive Chef, possibly the Pâtissier, etc. It depends on the size of the hotel.

 

Line cooks and sous chefs will be Thai. Why would a company hire a non-Thai to do a simple job when they have to pay 3 times the salary and go through all of the work permit and immigration problems.

 

This is quite apart from the fact that work permits in the hospitality industry are only issued for management positions. Work permits are not issued for junior positions as one of the requirements for a work permit is to explain why a Thai person cannot do the job.

 

Ask your son the last time he saw a western junior line cook working in a hotel with a work permit. The answer is never.

 

Assuming he can cook excellent Thai food, what he should be doing is taking his skills to European hotels, where he will be in great demand.

 

He can come back to work in Thailand in 10-15 years, when his experience will be valued.

It seems you are the only one speaking of food preparation. His son is taking Tourism and Hotel Management.  

[blackcab]

46 minutes ago, smotherb said:

It seems you are the only one speaking of food preparation. His son is taking Tourism and Hotel Management.  

 

46 minutes ago, smotherb said:

It seems you are the only one speaking of food preparation. His son is taking Tourism and Hotel Management.  

 

Yes. I said that because the OP used the word "stage". Chefs stage, so I made an incorrect assumption.

 

We discussed this later in the thread.

[Classic Ray]

I have a work permit through my wife's company. She pays me 25,000 baht per month, which is OK for the work permit, although my service fee charged by the company is considerably more . My visa extension is justified by my foreign pension income. I am not aware that the two are linked.

 

I would suggest that you set up a Thai company (51% Thai (spouse/mother?) owned) and then employ him to provide services for his hotel etc. Provided he has skills like language in demand/not available in Thailand/by Thais, he can contract as an expert/specialist manager. He may not need 50,000 monthly to justify this. Bureau of Investment companies can provide work permits much more easily.

 

 

[greenchair]

On 4/20/2018 at 8:47 AM, Putu94 said:

Thanks for reply

If my son is agree for a less salary 

is that possible?

living and study here for 10 years, 

It looks to me now he can not ind a job with is age

 

 

The problem is your son has a degree in hotel management and tourism. 

 

Correct me if I am wrong. 

But both of these positions are reserved for thai only that can do that job. 

He's not a native speaker, so English teaching is out. 

So what's he going to do?