9 minutes ago, tropo said:

Not for me. I wouldn't drive a car on congested streets in Pattaya. Even if I had one - I'd take the bike ... and I was giving you the average speed estimate of getting around on a motorcycle. A car would be getting around much more slowly than that. 

 

The point I'm really making is that riding carefully on congested city streets is not as dangerous as many people are suggesting. If you see how crazy many Thai people ride, then you'd understand where the danger lies. The level of danger is not equal and independent of riding style.

While I agree with you that bike riding has advantages, and is not as dangerous as quite often made out to be, your example is poor and does not illustrate your point at all. Comparing riding a bike on congested city streets to driving a car on the motorway doesn't make sense, you're comparing apples and oranges.

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

While I agree with you that bike riding has advantages, and is not as dangerous as quite often made out to be, your example is poor and does not illustrate your point at all. Comparing riding a bike on congested city streets to driving a car on the motorway doesn't make sense, you're comparing apples and oranges.

That's because you're not concentrating. People who own and drive cars will spend a considerable amount of time driving fast on national roads and highways - that's usually why they buy cars. I never do on my motorcycle. That equalizes the dangers IMO. Perhaps you should think of bananas and grapes, or maybe strawberries instead LOL. Naturally, people who own cars will not be using them only on congested city streets.

1 minute ago, tropo said:

That's because you're not concentrating. People who own and drive cars will spend a considerable amount of time driving fast on national roads and highways - that's usually why they buy cars. I never do on my motorcycle. That equalizes the dangers IMO. Perhaps you should think of bananas and grapes, or maybe strawberries instead LOL. Naturally, people who own cars will not be using them only on congested city streets.

Keep it up, but you're not arguing your point very well.

Unfortunately, they didn't save her leg, according to this article in Phuket News: 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/woman-loses-leg-in-phuket-road-accident-66897.php#g0J5vtJb15rJygyO.97

 

Also the Farang expat driver is to be charged with reckless driving causing serious injury.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Keep it up, but you're not arguing your point very well.

It's pretty hard to make a point to someone fixated on apples and oranges.

 

 

 

 

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I wouldn't ride a bike in this country if you paid me or my life depended on it, probably the 2nd most dangerous thing you could ever do in Thailand, the 1st being skydiving with no parachute.

18 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

I hope they can save her leg.

 

The news is so scarce. I think it's useless to speculate.

 

You love generalization.

Now I wait for comments from the bike enthusiasts in the forum

 

Also many expats in regions like Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok or wherever the gridlock is, will use a motorcycle just to get through while their six cylinder rests in the garage.

At the times when I drove to Pattaya by car I rarely used it in the city.

Most of the time on the hotel parking lot.

Rent me a bike because it's more fun than fighting through the jams.

It doesn't look like they can fix that leg, okay I'm not a doctor, i just had a motorcycle accident where my Tibia head was affected badly.

 

   I also hope that the lady will keep her leg. With an ordinary bumper, not such a bloody injury. Lady, get well soon. 

3 hours ago, Xaos said:

Rental should be responsible if they rent a bike to a person without valid bikes licence.

Is there anything stating that she didn't have a license? 

2 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Is there anything stating that she didn't have a license? 

my crystal ball said it

33 minutes ago, doodle said:

Unfortunately, they didn't save her leg, according to this article in Phuket News: 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/woman-loses-leg-in-phuket-road-accident-66897.php#g0J5vtJb15rJygyO.97

 

Also the Farang expat driver is to be charged with reckless driving causing serious injury.

It seems that the Farang driver caused the accident. According to police, Ms Joy was heading north on Chao Fa West Rd when the pickup truck, which was travelling southbound, cut across her to turn right.

 

    Such an old Mitsu might not have insurance 1, let's hope the foreigner has paid insurance and has got a valid driver's license. 

 

   
 

8 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

I wouldn't ride a bike in this country if you paid me or my life depended on it, probably the 2nd most dangerous thing you could ever do in Thailand, the 1st being skydiving with no parachute.

Doing anything without a clue is dangerous.

Next month 50 years riding licensed.

And yes - I have a clue

3 minutes ago, Xaos said:

my crystal ball said it

Okay, that's proof enough here. 

5 hours ago, AsiaHand said:

So many bike riders running into the "rear" of other vehicles. Are they just not paying attention by texting,skylarking,or whatever ? I have always drove my bike a bit too fast in my earlier days of ridding and had to lay my bike down twice while at speed because of it.Resulting in ripped jeans and a lacerated knee (stitches) with scarred helmet . If you can't learn to be alert to what is happening around you  should never even get on a bike even as a passenger.

I don't know what half the people are thinking about when they ride a motorbike but it's quite clear from their behaviour   not many of them at all are reading road conditions or pre-empting the likely behaviour of other road users i.e. in other words riding defensively.

For example how many times do you see all the traffic in all the lanes ahead of you suddenly slowing down to a virtual halt which would suggest there could be a hazard or obstruction ahead? And yet some clowns on their motorbikes choose to ignore such clues from traffic conditions and speed ahead regardless through the congestion

39 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

It doesn't look like they can fix that leg, okay I'm not a doctor, i just had a motorcycle accident where my Tibia head was affected badly.

 

   I also hope that the lady will keep her leg. With an ordinary bumper, not such a bloody injury. Lady, get well soon. 

Too late. It has already been amputated.

I just get so pissed off following bloody falang who have decided to ride out and check out a new area, not going any faster than about 25 kph veering all over the road as they check out the bars etc along roads like Nern Plawb Wan in Pattaya, they are a danger to themselves and other road users, totally oblivious to anybody behind them trying to get past, usually geriatric old fools with grey hair and a ponytail, no helmet, flip flops, singlet and really cool sunglasses. Dickwads. 

33 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

It seems that the Farang driver caused the accident. According to police, Ms Joy was heading north on Chao Fa West Rd when the pickup truck, which was travelling southbound, cut across her to turn right.

 

    Such an old Mitsu might not have insurance 1, let's hope the foreigner has paid insurance and has got a valid driver's license. 

 

 

Another good reason NOT to drive here. There's a much great risk to the personal safety of others. i.e. motorcyclists, pedestrians, etc. It would be pretty hard to accept being responsible for the amputation of someone's leg.

5 minutes ago, tropo said:

Too late. It has already been amputated.

I feel so sorry for her, it wasn't her fault. 

9 minutes ago, tropo said:

Another good reason NOT to drive here. There's a much great risk to the personal safety of others. i.e. motorcyclists, pedestrians, etc. It would be pretty hard to accept being responsible for the amputation of someone's leg.

Easy to avoid hurting someone else if driving carefully (i.e. not pulling out in front of bikes etc).

 

The reason I prefer to drive (car) myself is that I don’t want to place myself and my family at the risk of someone else. 

 

Riding a bike is safer than most would make out... but, it’s the catastrophic which concerns me (brake failure, lose loads etc)... other drivers, even the idiots are for the most part predictable & if in doubt, stop or take the safest option.

 

That said, somethings are unavoidable and thus as Tropo wrote, moderating our speed is key to minimising injury if the worst is to happen. 

 

I wonder how how fast this lady was travelling to do that much damage and endure such horrific injuries.

 

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Easy to avoid hurting someone else if driving carefully (i.e. not pulling out in front of bikes etc).

 

The reason I prefer to drive (car) myself is that I don’t want to place myself and my family at the risk of someone else. 

 

Riding a bike is safer than most would make out... but, it’s the catastrophic which concerns me (brake failure, lose loads etc)... other drivers, even the idiots are for the most part predictable & if in doubt, stop or take the safest option.

 

That said, somethings are unavoidable and thus as Tropo wrote, moderating our speed is key to minimising injury if the worst is to happen. 

 

I wonder how how fast this lady was travelling to do that much damage and endure such horrific injuries.

 

 

According to the witness she was riding fast. Problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Easy to avoid hurting someone else if driving carefully (i.e. not pulling out in front of bikes etc).

 

Accidents happen even to the best drivers. If I have an accident on the motorcycle, likely I'm the only victim. If I hit a motorcycle with a car, I've probably hurt someone. I don't know where you drive, but if you drive in Pattaya and say it's easy to avoid hitting someone, you're a cool customer indeed. I would always be concerned about hitting someone if I was driving a car and often they hit the cars, which is nearly the same thing if you're a foreigner. Motorcycles are continuously weaving in and out between cars, everywhere you go. Staying out of trouble has an element of luck to it too, that's why I never brag that I haven't had an accident in 12 years, because it could happen tomorrow. Murphy's Law is emphatic about this - it probably will. Overconfidence is a bad thing.

1 hour ago, jenny2017 said:

I feel so sorry for her, it wasn't her fault. 

Losing a leg would be a horrible thing, even if it was your own fault. I don't think we can say it was all the driver's fault. There was probably culpability on both sides. It was mentioned she was riding pretty fast and not paying attention.

25 minutes ago, tropo said:

Losing a leg would be a horrible thing, even if it was your own fault. I don't think we can say it was all the driver's fault. There was probably culpability on both sides. It was mentioned she was riding pretty fast and not paying attention.

But in one article it was clearly the foreigner's fault. He told them that he'd pay for all and that speaks for itself, doesn't it?

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

According to the witness she was riding fast. Problem is that witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

Regarding a news source the foreigner caused the crash and he said that he'd pay for all. I wouldn't like to be in his, nor in her shoes now. 

34 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Regarding a news source the foreigner caused the crash and he said that he'd pay for all. I wouldn't like to be in his, nor in her shoes now. 

Feeling guilty and being liable are not the same.

36 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

But in one article it was clearly the foreigner's fault. He told them that he'd pay for all and that speaks for itself, doesn't it?

Not necessarily. He may be a very kind-hearted person who feels really bad that she lost a leg and wants to help out any way he can. Imagine a person who actually cares? We forget there are people like that in this world.

11 hours ago, Get Real said:

Everyday the last almost 18 years. No accidents, by the way.

Best never ride again, the odds are very great you get KO'd this year.

1 minute ago, JAZZDOG said:

Best never ride again, the odds are very great you get KO'd this year.

Very funny guy. Maybe better you take care about your own driving, right?

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1 hour ago, JAZZDOG said:

Best never ride again, the odds are very great you get KO'd this year.

You would think so, but the odds of an accident don't increase even after an 18-year trouble free run.

 

The roulette players at the Monte Carlo Casino in 1913 learned that the hard way, betting against black 26 times in a row and losing millions. Gambler's Fallacy!

 

I worry about Murphy's Law more than odds. I'm surprised how many motorcyclists brag about how long they have gone accident-free.