Chomper Higgot Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Abortion shouldn't be a form of birth control. Push the birth control harder and make abortions rare and LEGAL. The fanatics fighting the right of women to have abortions are very often also campaigning against contraception. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: The fanatics fighting the right of women to have abortions are very often also campaigning against contraception. Indeed and that's obviously messed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Indeed and that's obviously messed up! Not when you examine their underlying arguments - Controlling women. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Not when you examine their underlying arguments - Controlling women. Very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jingthing said: A fetus is at the very least a potential new life. You could say sperm and eggs are as well but I wouldn't. This doesn't have to be a religious thing, either way. There is a lot of intellectual dishonesty about these debates on different sides. As someone that is pro-choice it is more convenient to act like a fetus isn't a life. But suppose it is. The pro-life people will say, then if that's OK then murder in general is OK. There is no logic in that! Ironically it's often the most extreme pro-life people that aren't interested in promoting life AFTER birth and they also tend to heavily be in favor or the death penalty. Go figure. "A fetus is at the very least a potential new life." Agreed...but a piece of metal is also a potential car! In my opinion, it makes very little sense, to discuss that. "This doesn't have to be a religious thing, either way." But the subject is very often hi- jacked by the religious and political right, which in many cases make a discussion impossible, since religious "morality" is often a pretty effed up thing! "But suppose it is. " I know, what you are saying...still I disagree! You can not lead a discussion on "suppose it is"! I think, it's clear -from a strictly scientific standpoint- from what time onwards a fetus is viable (I am not Englisch-speakin by birth...so I don't know, if that is the right word!) and when not. That's why late-term abortions are a very difficult matter! "Ironically it's often the most extreme pro-life people that aren't interested in promoting life AFTER birth and they also tend to heavily be in favor or the death penalty. Go figure." 100% agreed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Look, I get why it's politically necessary for the pro choice side to act like there isn't any merit to seeing a fetus as life. But politics and reality aren't the same thing. The two sides will remain firmly in their corners, never giving an inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Rigby40 said: Fine but how are we going against your freedoms? Killing innocent life is not freedom, in fact you're actually taking away freedom. A foetus is not an independant form of life and incapable of survival before the majority of gestation has passed without artificial support if born. Any freedom of choice should then remain with the mother at the very least . And in general practical terms this is the more common outcome than the "miracle" interventions" of early births that result in damaged children more often than not! As others have suggested it is not the demand for abortion that is the problem...It is the cause of the demand that is the real issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said: A foetus is not an independant form of life and incapable of survival before the majority of gestation has passed without artificial support if born. Any freedom of choice should then remain with the mother at the very least . And in general practical terms this is the more common outcome than the "miracle" interventions" of early births that result in damaged children more often than not! As others have suggested it is not the demand for abortion that is the problem...It is the cause of the demand that is the real issue. An infant after birth is also not able to survive independently for a very, very long time. I'm just sick of the dishonesty on both sides. Of course, a fetus is a form of human life. Edited May 25, 2018 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Jingthing said: Look, I get why it's politically necessary for the pro choice side to act like there isn't any merit to seeing a fetus as life. But politics and reality aren't the same thing. The two sides will remain firmly in their corners, never giving an inch. It's 100% about religion. How many non-religious pro-lifers are there? Any? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, pegman said: It's 100% about religion. How many non-religious pro-lifers are there? Any? That's a good question and I hadn't considered it before. But I think that yes, there are. http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: That's a good question and I hadn't considered it before. But I think that yes, there are. http://www.prolifehumanists.org/secular-case-against-abortion/ Of Americans "...... just 12% of atheists and agnostics do." in describing themselves as prolife. Likely a hold over belief from early childhood brainwashing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Pro-Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 11:35 PM, Jingthing said: An infant after birth is also not able to survive independently for a very, very long time. I'm just sick of the dishonesty on both sides. Of course, a fetus is a form of human life. You conveniently leave out the "independant" form of life. The vote to allow abortion in Eire is not a vote for the wholesale slaughter of unborn children. It is a vote to provide a legal end to prolific back street abortions and the often lethal horrific outcomes of that ! It is vote to end the Catolik slavery of young girls and infants in the name of something ! It is a vote to provide rationale and humanitarian assistance to the victims of rape, incest , enforced prostitution that previously was denied to other than the priviledged! It is vote the helps to lessen dilemma for doctors who need to provide sensible advice about genetic probabilities or realities in the outcome of full term births. What it is not is some gross ticket to provide infantile genocide which remains in the realm of the wealthy in most societies and always has! ! If it be your preference then let you adopt, care take , compensate at your personal cost rather than the average tax payer! The cost no issue in comparison to the virtue of moral indignation....right? It is not a vote for abortion on demand! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: ... It is not a vote for abortion on demand! You're tripping. I'm pro choice and very happy to hear the results from Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jingthing said: You're tripping. I'm pro choice and very happy to hear the results from Ireland. No trip. No trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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