British woman suffered stroke after spending 14 hours on cramped bus in Thailand

[mogandave]

In answering your question. YES.

I would not be surprised it there were some buses left here after Viet Nam, nor would I be surprised if MCI or GMC at some point were selling into Thailand, but there’s no way anyone is shipping warn out old buses over here, swapping the drives and reworking the cabin and putting them into service.

[manarak]

it's sad that for the gutter press it's mandatory to mention "Thailand" in the headline any chance they can get away with just to garner some interest from voyeurs.

 

In school, I learnt that a press article's title should be like a mini-summary of the whole text, to convey the most important point.

The gutter press apparently has other uses for the title, it serves to improve sales by stuffing as many attention-grabbing keywords in, and it doesn't matter if they aren't directly relevant to the story.

 

it's also bordering on defamation, somehow the title suggests the fact that the bus drove in Thailand is somehow relevant to the poor woman having a stroke due to her heart condition and not enough movement.

 

simply disgusting reporting by the "scottish sun"

[Tongjaw]

4 hours ago, one baht said:

l wear the compression socks now without fail ,something l wasn't aware of up until

4 years ago when a doctor suggested it would be a good ldea and

explained about Deep Vein Thrombosis and how the compression socks can greatly reduce

the risk of DVT

Did you buy then in Thailand? Would like to buy some as I travel overseas for work regularly. I've seen them on Lazada but would prefer to buy them from a shop if possible. 

 

[mogandave]

Did you buy then in Thailand? Would like to buy some as I travel overseas for work regularly. I've seen them on Lazada but would prefer to buy them from a shop if possible. 
 

I bought two pair of “Miracle Copper” compression socks on Lazada and liked them. Bought 10 more pair last time I was in the US. I think they’re great.

Only bummer is they call for gentle wash, air dry.

[StevieAus]

4 hours ago, mekko said:

Please tell me it wasn't a thai hospital exclusively that made this diagnosis. I know of friends to be told they had cancer only for another hospital to say it's not - it wasn't (as time has proven).  Second opinions back home required imo

 

And of course misdiagnosis only occurs in Thailand

Saw the figures some time ago about the number of people who die in UK hospitals from preventable causes

Drs are only human and make mistakes especially in Emergency Depts when they have been working long hours

[SunsetT]

4 hours ago, hansnl said:

Canhappen anywhere.

But as you can move around easily in a train, and the route is possible by train instead by bus, take the train.

Also, in Thailand, significantly less chances of death or injury in a road accident.....especially on a night bus.

[Walter Travolta]

3 years ago this month I travelled by cramped bus/coach from Hue in VN into Laos, across Laos to Mukdahan and then back down to Bangkok and Pattaya.

Whilst in Pattaya my right calf muscle swelled up and to the touch it felt like a blown up balloon with no room left in it for any more air. At this point I wasnt in any pain and I was getting different analysis from my pals like maybe something had bit me or I may have eaten something I had a reaction to, so straight away I thought it was the Durian I had eaten for the first time ever in the previous day or 2

I decided that was what it was so went to the clinic on soi buakhao and they gave me 4 sets of pills which had english writing on to tell me what they were and when to take, 1 pack said anti-imflammatory and another said anti-swelling 555. The other 2 were pain relief and relief of pain (more or less) so I got stung there!!

I started taking the meds and wasnt getting any better and the pain arrived and was excrutiating, I could barely walk any distance and breathing became really hard, short sharp breaths like I had just swam from a shark. I decided to go to hospital where they took blood tests and checked for gout amongst other minor things. I again left with more tablets but no explanation as to what it was. A few days later (in August, yes I had lived with this for a couple of months!!!) I decided the meds were not working again and I need to know what is going on, as well as wanting to be pain free again, I booked a flight back to England. A scruffy looking young doc saw me from 5-10 metres away and simply said I had DVT (deep vein thrombosis). I asked how he was so sure just by looking and he said its either that or an infection. It was DVT. So they sent me to the other hospital in my city the next morning to be given my prescription etc. The new nurse was looking at my details and she looked at me, looked again at her clipboard and just said "You should be dead!" I said "Pardon" as I had no clue still that it was as serious as it gets so she continued . . . . "You have spent all that time on a coach, become ill, walked around for a couple of months and then taken a 13hour flight home?" I said "yes". She told me I had 2 blood clots on one lung and 1 on another. I also had them in my groin area and down my leg causing the swelling.

I am not telling this tale for any other reason that I was aware of DVT and flying can cause it but what I didnt know is that just sitting motionless for long periods can cause it. I was under the impression that flying caused it due to the cabin pressure, I guess many do, including this 23 year old. But its not.

 

If people know about this which I didnt then they can make better travel arrangements to help not suffer from this. I love travelling on the ground as I like to see what I would miss in the air. But now I wont travel over a couple of hours without stopping for a wander around and some stretching. I was very very lucky due to the length of time I had it but was unaware. A blood clot can take your life in seconds, so I hope anyone who likes travelling can take some kind of education from this and help them stay healthy or at least alive

I was put on blood thinners for 6 months (not Warfarin, and thin blood is dangerous in itself as if you have a laceration its possible to bleed to death) and touch wood Im OK now. But if I get DVT again and survive, I was told I would be on blood thinners for the rest of my life, which, like I said, is dangerous in itself.

Thanks for reading and hope the info is never needed but if it is . . . 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, bapoboy said:

It seems like brits In  general are very unhealthy and weak, they make up the majority of incidents in Thailand.

 

So she was sittimg on a bus 14 hours straight? Strange, last time I took that bus, the bus stopped for 10 minutes every 4 hours+ At the immigration.

 

1. It did not shocked me at all it was a Brit, world champions in moaning, drinking and fighting.

 

2. If she had trouble with her health, don’t be <deleted> stupid travel arround the world, get your treatment In your home country, don’t risk your life abroad.

 

Where to start with this genius ???....  

 

The lack of intelligent articulation clearly outlines for many of us the level of education lending itself to such fundamentally and moronically flawed logic.

 

 

[williet98248]

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

Yes, a lot more tourists in Thailand suffer from bus-riding related blood clots than are injured on motorcycles...

 

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

Yes, a lot more tourists in Thailand suffer from bus-riding related blood clots than are injured on motorcycles...

And your source for this information is?

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, williet98248 said:

 

And your source for this information is?

I do think that he was being sarcastic 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, peterb17 said:

I always wear an entire compression body suit - you can buy them at Amazon- gets a few weird looks .

 

You sure it's not a Deadpool costume left over from Halloween?

[williet98248]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I do think that he was being sarcastic 

Well... hard to pick up sarcastic in print.  Easier in conversation face to face..

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, williet98248 said:

Well... hard to pick up sarcastic in print.  Easier in conversation face to face..

It was quite apparent , if you read the post that he was replying to 

[gk10002000]

I took the night bus from Khon Kaen to Phuket, VIP seat that reclined a few years ago.  But still, that was a miserable ride.  Now at 61 I won't do anything like that again.  I had flown in and out of Phuket a few times and thought it would be interesting to "drive" in. 

[faraday]

1 hour ago, bapoboy said:

It seems like brits In  general are very unhealthy and weak, they make up the majority of incidents in Thailand.

 

So she was sittimg on a bus 14 hours straight? Strange, last time I took that bus, the bus stopped for 10 minutes every 4 hours+ At the immigration.

 

1. It did not shocked me at all it was a Brit, world champions in moaning, drinking and fighting.

 

2. If she had trouble with her health, don’t be <deleted> stupid travel arround the world, get your treatment In your home country, don’t risk your life abroad.

So British people are weak, yet world champions at fighting....?

 

[Ulic]

The article is a little confusing. It says it was a stroke caused by a DVT clot moving. Then it says the hospital diagnosis was a brain bleed. Both are strokes but the treatment is exactly the opposite. Taking aspirin when you have a clot will potentially save you. When you have a brain bleed it will certainly kill you.

[metisdead]

Off topic trolling posts and the replies have been removed. 

[HLover]

6 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Take aspirin before and during long sedentary journeys.

Especially when embarking on a bus journey from hell.

[gerritkaew]

When you take a bus to somewhere in thailand he always make a stop at a gas station, so you have time to walk a litle and buy some food or drink.  and 'next' time, you can fly also...

[SpeakeasyThai]

Take Aspirin when logging onto this forum.

[sanemax]

Just now, gerritkaew said:

When you take a bus to somewhere in thailand he always make a stop at a gas station, so you have time to walk a litle and buy some food or drink.  and 'next' time, you can fly also...

Thank -you for your helpful post

[mekko]

1 hour ago, gerritkaew said:

When you take a bus to somewhere in thailand he always make a stop at a gas station, so you have time to walk a litle and buy some food or drink.  and 'next' time, you can fly also...

Not quite always, at least in my experience. Nakhonchair omits this on many journeys under a certain threshold - I think it might be 7hrs - there no gas stop to disembark from BKK to Surin for example, the 999 orange/blue bus there's a long gas stop but always slower and a worse experience in every respect. Sombat from south can go several hours with the only stop a pickup location like HH where no passengers disembark.   You can have a little stretch in the aisle though if you're not against the window. I've never felt DVT on these buses though as unless your on row 1 on a single decker on a 999 bus your legroom is usually fine - row 1 on single decker 999 has the same distance from bulkhead to seat, as seat to seat on other rows, except nowhere to slide your legs under - thai design(tm), book the next bus if the only rows as the first row or last row (the stinky toilet - and 999 they ming). Can you buy aspirin here? How much? dont think i've seen it in 7/11

Edited May 29, 2018 by mekko

[StayinThailand2much]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wearing compression socks whenever sat for any length of time (in a car, bus, office etc) can reduce your risk to these issues. 

Where can I buy them in Bangkok?

Edited May 29, 2018 by StayinThailand2much

[mogandave]

 
Where to start with this genius ???....  
 
The lack of intelligent articulation clearly outlines for many of us the level of education lending itself to such fundamentally and moronically flawed logic.
 
 

Yes, everyone knows that while they are great moaners, Brits are lousy at fighting and drinking...

(just kidding)

[mogandave]

I do think that he was being sarcastic 

What? ME sarcastic????

[ravip]

4 hours ago, Phuket321 said:

I'm sorry but with low cost carriers like AirAsia charging about 2,000 bahts to fly from Cambodia to BKK I'm not sure why you would want to be cramped with a coach load of smelly people.

Smelly people we experience everywhere. You may find the places they can be found in some other thread on TVF. Yea, smelly people exists outside of buses too.

[ravip]

3 hours ago, manarak said:

it's sad that for the gutter press it's mandatory to mention "Thailand" in the headline any chance they can get away with just to garner some interest from voyeurs.

 

In school, I learnt that a press article's title should be like a mini-summary of the whole text, to convey the most important point.

The gutter press apparently has other uses for the title, it serves to improve sales by stuffing as many attention-grabbing keywords in, and it doesn't matter if they aren't directly relevant to the story.

 

it's also bordering on defamation, somehow the title suggests the fact that the bus drove in Thailand is somehow relevant to the poor woman having a stroke due to her heart condition and not enough movement.

 

simply disgusting reporting by the "scottish sun"

simply disgusting reporting by the "scottish sun"

... and the herd that follows its story blindly.

 

[sweatalot]

So many posts about strokes and dvt.

 

This one thing is important to know:

 

If you have symptoms which could be  a stroke (for instance weakness of one side of the body, problems speaking, loss of vision, problems to walk - I am not talking of being drunk ?) 

 

hurry  (or let you take quickly ) to the next good standard hospital (with a CT Scanner and  with a stroke unit if possible)

Why?

There is a so called 4 hour window. If a stroke is treated within these 4 hours there is a good chance for full and swift recovery by dissolving the clot.

 If you are late you might not recover or it will take much longer. May be that woman got that kind of treatment.

 

Who is at risk? Among others people   who are  bedridden because of an injury or operation. People with arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) Women on the pill. 

 

DVT is not a risk for a stroke (if there isn't) that persisting whole in the heart - which is rare.

But DVT is a risk for a deadly pulmonary embolism. 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by sweatalot

[BB1955]

My first trip to Thailand from the states on the ride home I took two sleeping pills . Slept most of the flight . Midway to the US I felt like I had a cramp in my leg.. Ask the stewardess for ice . By the time I got home the pain was pretty bad . Next morning I went to work hardly able to walk . Went to my doctor they sent me for a ultra sound . They said no clot seen . I took the device from the tech and put it over the spot . Then they saw it . Stubborn and stupid I refused to be admitted . Finally doctor agreed to give me a script for heparin and I promised to stay immobile.  Nurse came everyday check my blood . 2 weeks on the couch being waited on . I was very lucky . Now I m on warfarin daily . Never had an issue since . But I was very lucky . Now if I fly I get up every hour and walk and drink lots of water . DVT is a silent killer .

[BB1955]

2 hours ago, Ulic said:

The article is a little confusing. It says it was a stroke caused by a DVT clot moving. Then it says the hospital diagnosis was a brain bleed. Both are strokes but the treatment is exactly the opposite. Taking aspirin when you have a clot will potentially save you. When you have a brain bleed it will certainly kill you.

Yes a little confusing . I would assume the clot broke and she had blockage in the brain that caused a stroke ..