PC for 14 year old

[KneeDeep]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

Yes but with 4 dimms and a refurbished cpu, I'm still under 2000 Baht.

 

I had set my budget at 3000 Baht, but had actually thought the MB accepted ddr3 Ram, so I could probably still use it after upgrade.

 

Not sure if I can find refurbished MB-cpu and ddr3 ram for 3000 Baht.

 

If you are happy with that budget they why not? But I would try to fit that SSD into the budget. I guess from around 1350 baht in these parts.

[Get Real]

7 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

You are correct, found 2Gb pc-s 5300 on Lazada for 300 Baht/piece, but shouldn't I stick with what Asus lists?

 

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5NSLI/P5NSLI_QVL.pdf

The ones you are talking about should fit your mother board. I think it´s the ones for 298 baht a piece you have been looking at.
Just hope you buy from a serious dealer too. Good Luck!

[OneMoreFarang]

People used PCs like that for work, games, photoshop and many other applications years ago.

So yes, that PC should do the job if you don't install the latest software.

Photoshop is one of those programs which most users don't even use to 10% of it's abilities.

If he really likes to learn that let him learn an older version of that program on the old PC.

And if he uses that program to it's limits then you know he needs a faster PC and a new version.

 

[janclaes47]

As I'm considering my options, been looking on US sites for mainboards with integrated cpu, and find many available around 65 US$.

 

Trying to find them here on Lazada is another thing. Doesn't seem to be popular here, or maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

[janclaes47]

11 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

 

If you are happy with that budget they why not? But I would try to fit that SSD into the budget. I guess from around 1350 baht in these parts.

Please advice on this one, which I found for 2190 Bht online. 4Gb refurbished ddr3 Ram at 991 Baht, brings my total on 3181 Bht which is acceptable for me, considering that this board can be mounted in a regular PC case.

 

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=885

 

Would this perform better than the board I have with a core2 duo processor and 8Gb Ram?

[Dogbarker]

23 hours ago, johng said:

If you fill the ram to capacity and maybe use a SSD drive it should be useable.

Hi yes it may seen slow BUT would  benefit by using software from that date and not push newer stuff to slow it down . use win7 office2007 and earliest edition of Photoshop you can. Get the 14 year old to build the computer themselves under your supervision. That may give them pride and incentive to use it and build a newer one another day.and a chance to bond!

[atyclb]

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-photoshop-alternatives-can-run-linux/

 

 

linux should run faster than windows on your hardware and there are photoshop like programs like   gimp.

 

if you run windows should use the photoshop version that was designed to use your hardware (old version)

[atyclb]

not sure your mb will support this but might. just google a bit to know

 

i believe ebay sellers also sell a premodified xeon cpu so you dont need to do much to install. may need a bios mb flash but thats simple.

 

 

LGA 771 to 775 Adapter (MOD) – Run faster Xeon CPUs in a Core 2 Quad motherboard

https://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

 

Why would you want to do this?

Xeons are usually MUCH cheaper

For example, the Xeon E5450 is equivalent to a 3.0 GHz Core 2 Quad Q9650, and it currently costs about $15 on eBay (usually much less than the Q9650).

Other good deals on LGA 771 Xeons include:

• 3.16 GHz X5460 for $15
• 3.00 GHz X5450 for $12
• 2.83 GHz E5440 for $6

[janclaes47]

1 minute ago, atyclb said:

LGA 771 to 775 Adapter (MOD) – Run faster Xeon CPUs in a Core 2 Quad motherboard

https://www.delidded.com/lga-771-to-775-adapter/

 

Why would you want to do this?

Xeons are usually MUCH cheaper

For example, the Xeon E5450 is equivalent to a 3.0 GHz Core 2 Quad Q9650, and it currently costs about $15 on eBay (usually much less than the Q9650).

Other good deals on LGA 771 Xeons include:

• 3.16 GHz X5460 for $15
• 3.00 GHz X5450 for $12
• 2.83 GHz E5440 for $6

What would you think about this, with 4Gb of Ram. Would that run fast enough?

 

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=885

 

I lean to it because for a little more money I have everything new.

[atyclb]

32 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

What would you think about this, with 4Gb of Ram. Would that run fast enough?

 

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=885

 

I lean to it because for a little more money I have everything new.

 

if you are trying to maximize performance u need to have adequate ram for the os you are running. having more never hurts. programs also generally benefit form more ram.  nowadays 8 gigs is more realistic as newer apps are hungrier.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Only-AMD-8GB-4GB-2GB-DDR2-DDR3-667-800-1066-1333-1600Mhz-RAM-Desktop-Memory-DIMM/162931675558?hash=item25ef7c11a6:m:m67jriUVpe_4WBXcTu4gMrA .     looks like 8 gigs of ram cost about 20 usd.   u should verify mb compatability always before buying ram.

 

 

 

it looks like this cpu is not bad . http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-A10-4655M

[janclaes47]

16 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

if you are trying to maximize performance u need to have adequate ram for the os you are running. having more never hurts. programs also generally benefit form more ram.  nowadays 8 gigs is more realistic as newer apps are hungrier.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Only-AMD-8GB-4GB-2GB-DDR2-DDR3-667-800-1066-1333-1600Mhz-RAM-Desktop-Memory-DIMM/162931675558?hash=item25ef7c11a6:m:m67jriUVpe_4WBXcTu4gMrA .     looks like 8 gigs of ram cost about 20 usd.   u should verify mb compatability always before buying ram.

 

 

 

it looks like this cpu is not bad . http://cpuboss.com/cpu/AMD-A10-4655M

8Gb of 1333Mhz ram would be 35 USD or 1125 Bht.

 

Better deal than the 4Gb for 900 Baht.

 

Thanks for the tip

[atyclb]

24 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

8Gb of 1333Mhz ram would be 35 USD or 1125 Bht.

 

Better deal than the 4Gb for 900 Baht.

 

Thanks for the tip

 

 

choose . 6400U rated ram and it comes to about 20 usd.

 

many tests have compared higher speed ram with lower speed and usually unless you are doing some exotic thing the real world improvement is not worth the extra money and even more so in your spec mb

[janclaes47]

3 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

choose . 6400U rated ram and it comes to about 20 usd.

 

many tests have compared higher speed ram with lower speed and usually unless you are doing some exotic thing the real world improvement is not worth the extra money

6400U is DDR2 ram, isn't it?

 

For the biostar board I would need ddr3 - 10600 Ram.

 

[atyclb]

11 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

6400U is DDR2 ram, isn't it?

 

For the biostar board I would need ddr3 - 10600 Ram.

 

  you may be right. usually they wont mix ddr2,  3 like that.

 

 

 

 

have a look at this . https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-4GB-PC3-10600-DDR3-1333M-hz-240pin-CL9-Desktop-Memory-For-AMD-Motherboar-d/323292776546?hash=item4b45c04862:g:ZPgAAOSwVJhZXFGX .    just a day left and bid is still low

[KneeDeep]

3 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

Please advice on this one, which I found for 2190 Bht online. 4Gb refurbished ddr3 Ram at 991 Baht, brings my total on 3181 Bht which is acceptable for me, considering that this board can be mounted in a regular PC case.

 

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=885

 

Would this perform better than the board I have with a core2 duo processor and 8Gb Ram?

 

Yes, of course. A fair bit better.  But now nothing left in the budget for SSD. ? 

[atyclb]

44 minutes ago, KneeDeep said:

 

Yes, of course. A fair bit better.  But now nothing left in the budget for SSD. ? 

 

 

are you intent on building a sysytem?  if not there are very decent used hp and lenovo or the likes second hand pc's to be had and i think with 13 or 15 cpu's

[KneeDeep]

7 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

are you intent on building a sysytem?  if not there are very decent used hp and lenovo or the likes second hand pc's to be had and i think with 13 or 15 cpu's

 

You are quoting the wrong person.

Also are these PC you are suggesting in the 3000 baht range?

[atyclb]

4 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

 

You are quoting the wrong person.

sorry about that.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

Also are these PC you are suggesting in the 3000 baht range?

 

maybe the lower spec ones but i recall 4-5000.

 

see     https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=desktop+pc+refurbished&clk_rvr_id=1561306362312&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu_jYBRD8ARIsAC3EGCIzJTqgdSC0EZ2qDeYSTxe4N9PWuTGpGM39UpKkjVtLh_Jp-Nx3HycaAsGTEALw_wcB&geo_id=32251&MT_ID=10&cmpgn=341746814&crlp=272560713294_&keyword=desktop+pc+refurbished&rlsatarget=kwd-51770308&abcId=543836&treatment_id=7&poi=1007835&adpos=1t3&device=c&crdt=0&ul_noapp=true

 

 

This stylle. can be dell, compaq, hp, maybe ibm.  thin profile desktop pc.   saw some at fortune it in bangkok. pantip plaza likely has the same.

[KneeDeep]

3 hours ago, atyclb said:

sorry about that.

 

 

 

 

 

maybe the lower spec ones but i recall 4-5000.

 

see     https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=desktop+pc+refurbished&clk_rvr_id=1561306362312&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu_jYBRD8ARIsAC3EGCIzJTqgdSC0EZ2qDeYSTxe4N9PWuTGpGM39UpKkjVtLh_Jp-Nx3HycaAsGTEALw_wcB&geo_id=32251&MT_ID=10&cmpgn=341746814&crlp=272560713294_&keyword=desktop+pc+refurbished&rlsatarget=kwd-51770308&abcId=543836&treatment_id=7&poi=1007835&adpos=1t3&device=c&crdt=0&ul_noapp=true

 

 

This stylle. can be dell, compaq, hp, maybe ibm.  thin profile desktop pc.   saw some at fortune it in bangkok. pantip plaza likely has the same.

 

That's the UK. How will he get them to Thailand? The postage fee is often more than the device itself.

[atyclb]

15 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

 

That's the UK. How will he get them to Thailand? The postage fee is often more than the device itself.

 

that was just to illustrate what i have seen around bangkok.  pantip plaza and fortune it.  that type of computer.  nothing about ordering from uk

[janclaes47]

In my search for DDR memory I notice some listings quote " fits AMD only" can not use for Intel.

 

The my friend Google tells me that is just crap.

 

So what is it?

[atyclb]

13 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

In my search for DDR memory I notice some listings quote " fits AMD only" can not use for Intel.

 

The my friend Google tells me that is just crap.

 

So what is it?

 

 

 

have a look at . https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27400389

 

 

 

 

 

you can cross reference ram specs with those shown compatable at http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Biostar/a68n-5600

[janclaes47]

6 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

 

have a look at . https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27400389

 

 

 

 

 

you can cross reference ram specs with those shown compatable at http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Biostar/a68n-5600

 

Yes that forum was also one of the google results I had read, hence my confusion.

 

Thanks for that crucial cross reference site, which comes in very handy.

[janclaes47]

I have a motherboard, now the memory which I thought would be the easiest part, turns out to be the most difficult one.

 

I find there is low density and high density RAM available, and very little info on what is required, but it is obvious from what is available that some will work and some not.

 

Even on the Crucial compatibility page I can not find if their modules are high or low density.

 

So which one will I need for the Biostar A68N-5600 ?

 

On Ebay prices are much lower than in Thailand, but are they knock offs or not?

[atyclb]

26 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

I have a motherboard, now the memory which I thought would be the easiest part, turns out to be the most difficult one.

 

I find there is low density and high density RAM available, and very little info on what is required, but it is obvious from what is available that some will work and some not.

 

Even on the Crucial compatibility page I can not find if their modules are high or low density.

 

So which one will I need for the Biostar A68N-5600 ?

 

On Ebay prices are much lower than in Thailand, but are they knock offs or not?

 

the stuff sold at tech and computer shops in thailand typically is bought from china and one in the same.  i have used ebay a lot with good results.

 

if you are not sure, put your motherboard in a case, add hard drive or ssd and take to shop selling memory see which memory type works then you will know.   thai shop wanted about 200 usd for 16 gigs ram for macbook. i ordered on ebay for 89 and works great.

[KneeDeep]

16 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

In my search for DDR memory I notice some listings quote " fits AMD only" can not use for Intel.

 

The my friend Google tells me that is just crap.

 

So what is it?

It's not crap. It is not guaranteed to work on your device.

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1043995/ocz-releases-special-memory-for-amd-am2-cpus

[KneeDeep]

1 hour ago, janclaes47 said:

I have a motherboard, now the memory which I thought would be the easiest part, turns out to be the most difficult one.

 

I find there is low density and high density RAM available, and very little info on what is required, but it is obvious from what is available that some will work and some not.

 

Even on the Crucial compatibility page I can not find if their modules are high or low density.

 

So which one will I need for the Biostar A68N-5600 ?

 

On Ebay prices are much lower than in Thailand, but are they knock offs or not?

 

Since the Biostar is AMD, what's the problem?

[KneeDeep]

Which revision have you purchased?

Did you look at the Memory support page, here; http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=885

[janclaes47]

10 minutes ago, KneeDeep said:

 

Since the Biostar is AMD, what's the problem?

 

Does that answer my question if I need low or high density?

15 minutes ago, KneeDeep said:

It's not crap. It is not guaranteed to work on your device.

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1043995/ocz-releases-special-memory-for-amd-am2-cpus

Few mention AMD only, other mention nothing at all.

 

The majority of listings on Ebay now quote delivery between early July and early August.

 

So ordering from Ebay and waiting 2 months for the memory to arrive, then discover it doesn't work, is how I should go with it?
 

[KneeDeep]

14 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

 

Does that answer my question if I need low or high density?

Few mention AMD only, other mention nothing at all.

 

The majority of listings on Ebay now quote delivery between early July and early August.

 

So ordering from Ebay and waiting 2 months for the memory to arrive, then discover it doesn't work, is how I should go with it?
 

 

Once again, if unsure, refer to the memory listing in my link, then you are guaranteed compatibility.

Problem is that you are ordering from China. They use slow delivery methods. eBay is not the issue.