Best cheap physical Anti-Theft device for Honda Zoomer X Scooter ?

[Our Man in the Tropics]

Dear fellow Thaivisa.com posters,

 

 

What do u recommend as best cheap physical Anti-Theft device for Honda Zoomer X Scooter ?

 

 

Thanking u in advance for ur kind replies,

 

Our Man in the Tropics

[jackdd]

Best and cheap doesn't match ?

Generally i would consider three options:

- A break disc lock with alarm, not really safe, but easy to use and quite cheap

- The strongest chain lock you can afford to lock the bike to another object

- If you are really worried about theft, then an insurance which covers theft

[KhunBENQ]

18 minutes ago, jackdd said:

- A break disc lock with alarm, not really safe, but easy to use and quite cheap

Many different models available.

I have no idea which ones are the most robust.

https://bit.ly/2MjPwsF

[Our Man in the Tropics]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Best and cheap doesn't match ?

Generally i would consider three options:

- A break disc lock with alarm, not really safe, but easy to use and quite cheap

- The strongest chain lock you can afford to lock the bike to another object

- If you are really worried about theft, then an insurance which covers theft

I see very large bolt cutters at affordable prices for go-getter thieves ;

Thus, the large chain is vulnerable.

 

Nonetheless, I think wise to use Chain.

 

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What type of Chain do u recommend ?

 

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And, I presume that u recommend that if at all possible to chain the rear wheel to strong secure hard & tough fixture ?

 

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What type of Lock do u recommend to go with it ?

 

And, I am already persuaded to use the Brake -Disk Lock too.

 

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I think that Theft Insurance is not available for this spec of motorcycle when it older than 2 years.

And, even if it is available, I suspect that it is very expensive.

[jackdd]

First you have to think about where you want to secure your bike. A lock does generally not make it impossible to steal the bike, it just makes it more difficult. If there are other similar bikes near your bike and your bike has any kind of lock attached to it, a thief would probably go for the other bikes, because they are easier to steal.

I would also say we are lucky that we are in Thailand where the theft rate is quite low and not in a country like Vietnam where thiefs would steal everything.

 

I can't tell you which chain exactly is better, i'm no expert for locks, but probably the bigger the stronger the better if you buy from a well known manufacturer like Abus or Kryptonite. I also think that at some point (no idea what this means in milimeters) it's not possible to cut it with a bolt cutter anymore, maybe you can find some more info about this on Google or Youtube, and then the thief would need a angle grinder to open it. Of course through the rear wheel and attach it to another strong object.

 

A brake disc lock is just the most convenient lock to use, it's quite small and you don't have to attach it anywhere while making it a bit more difficult to steal (so maybe the thief takes another bike).

But a scooter is not heavy, so 3 guys and a Pickup and the scooter would also be gone in a moment, but at least they can't steal it just like that.

I once thought about buying one, so i had a look at them, but didn't buy one yet, so can't give a specific recommendation, but when you look for one do at least pay attention to these two things: Look at reviews, for example on Youtube, some of these locks are really crap and can be opened in a few seconds without any tools. And some of the locks with alarm have a little whole where the sound should come out from, but if a thieve covers this whole with his fingers the lock is nearly silent.

[Our Man in the Tropics]

24 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Thailand where the theft rate is quite low 

I understood that it is quite high for motorcycles

In a country like Vietnam thieves  steal everything ;

I did not know that ;

Thanks

In the thief would need a angle grinder to open it

Possible to get Battery-powered Mini Angle Grinder

Re ;

brake disc lock

Look at reviews,

e.g.

on Youtube,

some of these locks are really crap ;

can be opened in a few seconds without any tools

some of the locks with alarm have a little whole where the sound should come out from,

but if a thieve covers this whole with his fingers the lock is nearly silent

Good advice, & useful info.

 

Edited June 13, 2018 by Our Man in the Tropics

[OneMoreFarang]

A disk lock is better than nothing.

 

I read an interesting post recently that it makes sense to use a disk lock on the rear wheel.

You have to make sure that whatever lock you want to buy can be mounted on your rear disk break (some locks are just too big for some bikes).

 

The idea about the rear wheel is that if you lock the steering wheel and if you would have that disk lock a the front then a thief can just lift the front of the bike and roll it on the rear wheel.

But if you lock the rear wheel with a disk lock and lock the steering lock then a thief has to lift up the bike front and back which is obviously a lot more difficult, especially for one person.

 

 

[Our Man in the Tropics]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

A disk lock is better than nothing.

 

I read an interesting post recently that it makes sense to use a disk lock on the rear wheel.

You have to make sure that whatever lock you want to buy can be mounted on your rear disk break (some locks are just too big for some bikes).

 

The idea about the rear wheel is that if you lock the steering wheel and if you would have that disk lock a the front then a thief can just lift the front of the bike and roll it on the rear wheel.

But if you lock the rear wheel with a disk lock and lock the steering lock then a thief has to lift up the bike front and back which is obviously a lot more difficult, especially for one person.

 

 

Extra good points.

Thanks.

 

Honda Zoomer X Scooter has Drum Brakes only though.

 

I heard from a used motorcycle sales & rental shop that thieves nowadays :

 

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use scanners to locate GPS Tracking Security Devices installed on motorcycles

 

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drive the motorcycles through a stream so as to destroy any unknown GPS Tracking Security Device installed on motorcycles

 

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bring many motorcycles to Cambodia

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, Our Man in the Tropics said:

Extra good points.

Thanks.

 

Honda Zoomer X Scooter has Drum Brakes only though.

 

I heard from a used motorcycle sales & rental shop that thieves nowadays :

 

1_

use scanners to locate GPS Tracking Security Devices installed on motorcycles

 

2_

drive the motorcycles through a stream so as to destroy any unknown GPS Tracking Security Device installed on motorcycles

 

3_

bring many motorcycles to Cambodia

Who wants to use a bike with drum brakes? Nobody would steal that one... ?

 

Not that I have any experience with Thai thieves but it seems many of this thieves are unprofessional drug addicts. They won't have sophisticated scanning devices. Grab a bike, sell it for cash ASAP, done.

 

And if someone uses a GPS tracking device on a bike, which is used outdoors, that device should better be waterproofed.

[Our Man in the Tropics]

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Who wants to use a bike with drum brakes? Nobody would steal that one... ?

 

Not that I have any experience with Thai thieves but it seems many of this thieves are unprofessional drug addicts. They won't have sophisticated scanning devices. Grab a bike, sell it for cash ASAP, done.

 

And if someone uses a GPS tracking device on a bike, which is used outdoors, that device should better be waterproofed.

Good points.

 

My apologies for submitting incomplete information ;

Honda Zoomer X Scooter has Drum Brake on Rear ONLY.

Thus,- Disc Brake in Front.

 

Viewing Thaivisa.com over the years I have to acknowledge that the thieves of Thailand, & they include migrants only, & also international roaming gangs, are very daring & often very clever.

I expect that there are many gangs specialising in motorcycles, & that they at very least as individual team members would contribute for to even "buy" a good scanning device.

 

BUT,  YES !

 

"Grab a bike, sell it for cash ASAP, done."

 

Maybe most are broken up, & then brought to the countryside to be build again & sold to customers who are not bothered by the authorities doubting that their presumed registered untaxed ==> uninsured motorcycle is stolen.

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How to waterproof a non-wired / self-powered GPS Tracker Unit without impeding its performance ?

 

Regards,

 

Our Man in the Tropics

 

 

Edited June 13, 2018 by Our Man in the Tropics

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Our Man in the Tropics said:

How to waterproof a non-wired / self-powered GPS Tracker Unit without impeding its performance ?

I don't think a GPS tracker has any problems if it is covered in a sealed plastic bag/cover. I guess even a zip bag should do the job.

 

I just checked and found this:

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/mini-waterproof-gsm-gprs-gps-tracker-for-car-motorcycle-vehicle-intl-i125125336-s131188522.html

 

[Our Man in the Tropics]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't think a GPS tracker has any problems if it is covered in a sealed plastic bag/cover. I guess even a zip bag should do the job.

 

I just checked and found this:

https://www.lazada.co.th/products/mini-waterproof-gsm-gprs-gps-tracker-for-car-motorcycle-vehicle-intl-i125125336-s131188522.html

Much thanks again.

 

This evening I was looking at variety of "Locks for Brake Disc" & "Locks with Chain" & "Integral Cable Locks" in a rather small Home-Pro ;

 

Brake Disc Lock ;

Starting from THB 200 [ Actually, maybe starting from just over THB 100 ]

Most expensive one is  THB 1,500 approx ; 1 of a number of those which have alarm.

 

 Lock with Chain ;

"Master-Lock" [ or some such name ] features as 1 of the more expensive of the choices

 

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IMPORTANT THAT IT NOT POSSIBLE TO :

 

RESTRAIN "MALE" LOOP WHILST HITTING WITH POWERFUL BLOW THE TOP OF "FEMALE" BODY & THEREBY FORCING OPEN THE LOCKED ASSEMBLY

 

ACCESS THE "MALE" LOOP WITH HACKSAW OR BOLT-CUTTERS OR ANGLE GRINDER

 

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Integral Cable Lock ;

 

1 standard design caught my fancy because the form of the harness -- or rather as I imagine it more likely to be that is actually the form of the  shielding around the hidden cable [  this a part I definitely imagine ] -- is I reckon too large for the go-getter thief equipped with bolt cutters

i.e.

the shielding is too large a diameter for the most likely large bolt-cutters on the go.

 

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It may be wisest to travel to Pattaya for visit specialist motorcycle accessories shops

 

I may travel tomorrow for that mission ;

By bus ... 8-)

 

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I think that I will need to avail of competent technician at a Honda dealership for to wire such a unit with my scooter.

 

Here is hoping that this can be done for THB 100 or so.

 

Anyway, I will have to really devise very clever place to locate it away from  thief anxious to hide their tracks.

 

Edited June 13, 2018 by Our Man in the Tropics

[scubascuba3]

I bought the biggest padlock and chain in homepro which i chain to a steel thing where i stay. I also have a padlock on a disc brake.

These can be broken if someone buys the chain cutters in homepro.

 

I also have 1st class insurance and thw security guard is always on the look out.

 

Maybe thieves will steal a bike not locked up instead. Also once it gets older less likely to be stolen.

 

I started off putting both locks on, after a couple of months i stopped putting locks on, too much trouble

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

I just started this poll...

 

 

[Our Man in the Tropics]

8 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I bought the biggest padlock and chain in homepro which i chain to a steel thing where i stay. I also have a padlock on a disc brake.

These can be broken if someone buys the chain cutters in homepro.

 

I also have 1st class insurance and thw security guard is always on the look out.

 

Maybe thieves will steal a bike not locked up instead. Also once it gets older less likely to be stolen.

 

I started off putting both locks on, after a couple of months i stopped putting locks on, too much trouble

 

 

I would be more concerned about parking it away from ur home [ especially if ur home has security ].

 

Best to lock it up well because at least in trying to break the locks the thieves offer themselves more likely to be noticed.

[scubascuba3]

I would be more concerned about parking it away from ur home [ especially if ur home has security ].
 
Best to lock it up well because at least in trying to break the locks the thieves offer themselves more likely to be noticed.

If you look at bikes around it's rare for them to be locked except the ignition lock. Now mine is 10 months old I'm gambling thieves will steal a newer bike. It just is a big faff locking all the time

[VocalNeal]

On 6/13/2018 at 12:29 PM, Our Man in the Tropics said:

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use scanners to locate GPS Tracking Security Devices installed on motorcycles

 

This is over thinking. 

 

Front disc lock and a large padlock around one of the rear wheel spokes EVERY time you park. While some theft is opportunist most is planned and they look for patterns so the day you don't use both locks... I

 

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but probably the bigger the stronger the better if you buy from a well known manufacturer like Abus or Kryptonite.

 

Thai thieves don't know any of the names of western stuff and will simply steal it anyway. So you don't need to worry about western items. 

For them brightly coloured is the best deterrent.

 

Use brightly lit areas near or within eye/ear shot of the security guard. 

 

If you always park in a large lot and go to work etc. They will be cruising looking for easy pickings so any bike with a lock will be bypassed.

 

It gets difficult if you live in a condo and park in a public place. If you park next to a house/resort or motel room regularly it is easier to rig up an anti theft device. In a condo park next to something you can slip a chain around. You can leave the chain and lock there when not in use. 

 

[jackdd]

3 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

Thai thieves don't know any of the names of western stuff and will simply steal it anyway. So you don't need to worry about western items.

I was more thinking about that when the western stuff says "hardened" it really is and might withstand a bolt cutter