Testosterone, steroids, etc.

[faraday]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I get my GF to do it.. i lie back and let her do it.. One tip dont argue or piss her off before inject ?

 

Seriously I don't even care anymore about it, its not a fun feeling but can't say its painful either.

I inject quads as it's a good site for self admin, however for some reason a few weeks back, I must have touched a small nerve, did rather make me jump.

 

[robblok]

Just now, faraday said:

I inject quads as it's a good site for self admin, however for some reason a few weeks back, I must have touched a small nerve, did rather make me jump.

 

I did that too, but prefer my gf do it in the buttocks less chance for nerves. I have no problem with self inject.. though having her do it is easier and IMHO buttocks have less nerves. 

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎6‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 12:33 AM, poanoi said:

oxandrolone worked like a charm for me,

is in pill form so theres no taking it up the arse,

and it doesnt disable your testicles like nearly every

other hormone do.

its a tad pricey compared to the others,

but since you just want to get a temporary boost anyway,

as oppose to getting stuck until death on it,

so what?

 

for training, you are old and fragile,

and should keep harping on with repetitive many repetitions even if oxan gives you strength for more,

busted tendons ends training just like that.

 

if its fat you want to lose, dnp  fatburner works like a charm but a single overdose can be deadly,

so thats also a place where its better to play safe

54 old and fragile for training? What a BS

[Destiny1990]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

I get my GF to do it.. i lie back and let her do it.. One tip dont argue or piss her off before inject ?

 

Seriously I don't even care anymore about it, its not a fun feeling but can't say its painful either.

I hardly understand about half lives etc.

I know there are T shots that u need to do frequent and the ones that last longer. Which to prefer?

What is ur opinion about Androgel?

[mokwit]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

I get my GF to do it.. i lie back and let her do it.. One tip dont argue or piss her off before inject ?

 

Seriously I don't even care anymore about it, its not a fun feeling but can't say its painful either.

For those thinking about asking their GF to inject Nebido, be advised Nebido is a 4ml injection (vs 1ml for Testoviron) and Bayer have produced a video explaining to trained health professionals how to do a Nebido injection.

The literature for Nebido suggest very stable levels but from subjective reports it seems that by the 3rd month you are low and feeling it.

[faraday]

Is Nebido available in pharmacies without a prescription?

[poanoi]

13 minutes ago, faraday said:

I inject quads as it's a good site for self admin, however for some reason a few weeks back, I must have touched a small nerve, did rather make me jump.

 

if you live in pattaya, i know a male who can do it,

he looks a bit ruff, but no worries

[mokwit]

Just now, faraday said:

Is Nebido available in pharmacies without a prescription?

It is available at Pharmacies (5400 Baht??? I think)  - strictly speaking it is a POM

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

I hardly understand about half lives etc.

I know there are T shots that u need to do frequent and the ones that last longer. Which to prefer?

What is ur opinion about Androgel?

I understand half lives real read up on it way before I even considered TRT.  Its useful to know especially if you use medicine cafeine whatever. Basically it means how long it takes to eliminate half of the medicine in your system.  So for instance caffeine has a half life of 6 hours.. so if you take 200 mg at 12.00 you got 100mg in your system at 18:00 and 50 MG at 24:00

 

I prefer (mind you I don't like injecting im not a masochist) more frequent but not below once a week of injects. Some bodybuilders like even faster acting stuff. The thing is the lower the half life the faster its out of your system so if you have problems with it if you have something that has a real long half life you will have problems for a long time, but things with a shorter half live will be out of your system faster. 

 

As you see in the graph of nebido especially the first 4 weeks the blood value differes a lot, that is the same as with a shorter working solution the first few days the values are fluctuating a lot. However if over time you get more injects the graph will become more stable. But to get there it will take a far longer time with nebido because the injects are so infrequent than with stuff with a shorter half life.

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, mokwit said:

For those thinking about asking their GF to inject Nebido, be advised Nebido is a 4ml injection (vs 1ml for Testoviron) and Bayer have produced a video explaining to trained health professionals how to do a Nebido injection.

The literature for Nebido suggest very stable levels but from subjective reports it seems that by the 3rd month you are low and feeling it.

Did you see the graph i got from nebido ? that is not stable at all. It will be stable after many injects because then multiple injection times will produce that. Anyone with the slightest knowledge (a dr for sure) should know that. They are probably speaking about Nebido after multiple injections. But that means that the stability will occur quite late in the traject compared with test E.

 

Good remark about the 4ml... that is quite a lot. Maybe too much for one injection point.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by robblok

[Destiny1990]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Did you see the graph i got from nebido ? that is not stable at all. It will be stable after many injects because then multiple injection times will produce that. Anyone with the slightest knowledge (a dr for sure) should know that. They are probably speaking about Nebido after multiple injections. But that means that the stability will occur quite late in the traject compared with test E.

 

Good remark about the 4ml... that is quite a lot. Maybe too much for one injection point.

 

 

Well thats true with Nebido if it doesn’t land  well ur stuck with it in ur body for a long time..

a T gel might be better to start with.

[robblok]

Just a quick example i did in excel to demonstrate my point. Imagine something with a half life of 24 hours and you take 200 mg every day. Only after 5 times ingesting will you see that the amount in the blood is getting more constant. Now imagine this with something that has 90 days half life .. so only after 5 times injects will your blood levels become stable.  That is after a year. 

 

Ok admittedly there are some other variables but this is the main idea behind half life.

 

So anyone saying that long half lives are good for stable blood values don't know what they are talking about. Of course its a good selling point because nobody likes injects. Also as you saw in the other graph nebido does give stable half lives later during the period. But every time you inject you start off like the beginning of the graph ( a bit better as you already had an inject before) but only after many cycles will the blood levels really stabilize.

 

sorry for the bad layout of my excel example i was in a hurry.

Edited June 23, 2018 by robblok

[robblok]

34 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Well thats true with Nebido if it doesn’t land  well ur stuck with it in ur body for a long time..

a T gel might be better to start with.

Yes but with T gel its hard to know how much you applied and how much is taken up into the body. So it has its other problems.

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

https://supplementswatch.com/anabolic-steroids/nebido/

 

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-53226/anavar-oral/details

Not sure how safe anavar is long term as most orals have problems with the liver (could be wrong that this has an other delivery mechanism I am no expert on all steroids there are) Just read a lot in my time.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Did you see the graph i got from nebido ? that is not stable at all. It will be stable after many injects because then multiple injection times will produce that. Anyone with the slightest knowledge (a dr for sure) should know that. They are probably speaking about Nebido after multiple injections. But that means that the stability will occur quite late in the traject compared with test E.

 

Good remark about the 4ml... that is quite a lot. Maybe too much for one injection point.

 

 

With Nebido after the first time they check how quickly the dose declines and from that (and maybe a few more) work out what your injection schedule should be for stable levels as per what you are describing with schedules related to half life. They claim stable levels after that but some report being on it for 2 years and getting low in month 3 - that said, maybe the Doc was not titrating the dose and maybe using a fixed schedule that did not match the patients metabolism.

 

For TRT maybe it is best only go to a TRT specialist (maybe not even an endocrinologist)- ordinary Docs spend maybe two hours on this at Med school and maybe a long time ago, although there is a move within the medical profession to increase awareness of TRT and Docs knowledge is improving.

Edited June 23, 2018 by mokwit

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, mokwit said:

With Nebido after the first time they check how quickly the dose declines and from that (and maybe a few more) work out what your injection schedule should be for stable levels as per what you are describing with schedules related to half life. They claim stable levels after that but some report being on it for 2 years and getting low in month 3 - that said, maybe the Doc was not titrating the dose and maybe using a fixed schedule that did not match the patients metabolism.

 

 

Yes of course there will be stable levels after a few injects just like i shown in my excel there will be a time that blood values become more stable. But the longer the half life of a substance the longer it takes for those levels to become stable. So yes Nebido will work and become stable too. It will just take quite long id guess more then 4 injects before really stable. But yes if you go on you will reach a point of stable blood values. 

 

I think Nebido his selling point is also its weakness, because I would love to only inject every 10 weeks (though I might forget it then). I am not someone who loves injecting, im not too bothered with it either but still less is better.

 

Not having a go at you in anyway. I like your experiences and what your saying. i am just adding to that what i know. (or think i know)

 

Edited June 23, 2018 by robblok

[Destiny1990]

Its true that is what the doctor told me.

He said u take Nebido once then after 6-7 weeks another shot because my T levels are on the low side.then wait 8 weeks and test blood to decide wen take the next shot and keep going on like that..

after ur first few shots ur levels will be stable..

[faraday]

Robblok, Mokwit...good posts.

 

[robblok]

26 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Its true that is what the doctor told me.

He said u take Nebido once then after 6-7 weeks another shot because my T levels are on the low side.then wait 8 weeks and test blood to decide wen take the next shot and keep going on like that..

after ur first few shots ur levels will be stable..

Yes it takes a few shots, but because the shots are 6-7 weeks apart it will take quite long before you finally reach stable levels. But you will reach them just takes quite a bit longer then with test E. 

[faraday]

Robblok, Mokwit...good posts.

 

[Hummin]

Anyone know price for nebido at farmacia? I think BKK hospital it is 10 000 a shot  without hour for dr and bloodtests. 

 

Total package should be 12 000,- 

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Anyone know price for nebido at farmacia? I think BKK hospital it is 10 000 a shot  without hour for dr and bloodtests. 

 

Total package should be 12 000,- 

I remeber it as being Bt 5,400 in the large open fronted place down from Nana but note my comments above about size of injection = 4ml - maybe best to have a medical pro rather than GF inject it.

[Hummin]

Just now, mokwit said:

I remeber it as being Bt 5,400 in the large open fronted place down from Nana but note my comments above about size of injection = 4ml - maybe best to have a medical pro rather than GF inject it.

No worries, just change GF who is nurse 

[mokwit]

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

No worries, just change GF who is nurse 

instructional videos aimed at medical professionals who already know how to inject on how to inject Nebido.

https://www.nebido.com/scripts/pages/videoplayer.php?iframeoverlay=true&width=840&height=600

 

Somewhere on TV there are discussions about Nebido from those who use it - one I remember makes the point that the injections are "uncomfortable" but not necessarily painful at the time and for some time after.

 

Search under Nebido should find.

Edited June 23, 2018 by mokwit

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I remeber it as being Bt 5,400 in the large open fronted place down from Nana but note my comments above about size of injection = 4ml - maybe best to have a medical pro rather than GF inject it.

Injecting itself is not that hard plenty of instructions about it available. I am more worried about 4 ml (just never went that high myself) But others have injected that amount before, believe only the large muscles will take such a dose. 

 

Injecting is all about taking proper procedure (cleaning with alcohol / different needles for sucking (getting the fluid in the syringe)  and injecting. Biggest problem is finding the right spots and not forgetting about aspiration. 

 

But given that its only done once every 6-7 weeks paying a bit extra to go to a Dr is not a problem nor a real bother.. if its weekly or per 10 days then i can see people doing it themselves.

[tropo]

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyone know price for nebido at farmacia? I think BKK hospital it is 10 000 a shot  without hour for dr and bloodtests. 

 

Total package should be 12 000,- 

That's a LOT of money to pay for something that is rather ineffective compared to more regular injections. The only reason I can come up with that would entice people to pay that much is either they are going home and can't get T injections back at home, or they are scared of needles.

[tropo]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Injecting itself is not that hard plenty of instructions about it available. I am more worried about 4 ml (just never went that high myself) But others have injected that amount before, believe only the large muscles will take such a dose. 

 

Injecting is all about taking proper procedure (cleaning with alcohol / different needles for sucking (getting the fluid in the syringe)  and injecting. Biggest problem is finding the right spots and not forgetting about aspiration. 

 

But given that its only done once every 6-7 weeks paying a bit extra to go to a Dr is not a problem nor a real bother.. if its weekly or per 10 days then i can see people doing it themselves.

I don't forget to aspirate - I just don't do it LOL. I've only had a few coughing episodes over the years. I never go over 1ml.

[Destiny1990]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes it takes a few shots, but because the shots are 6-7 weeks apart it will take quite long before you finally reach stable levels. But you will reach them just takes quite a bit longer then with test E. 

So u inject Test E? 1 ml once a week?

and that work better and is less expensive then Nebido?

[robblok]

Just now, Destiny1990 said:

So u inject Test E? 1 ml once a week?

and that work better and is less expensive then Nebido?

I use a bit less then 1ml, and yes its less expensive.

It works better as that the blood levels will stabilize faster. 

I also take 1/4th of anastazole to keep blood estrogen levels lower.

 

That does not mean I am saying you should do this. I am saying research a lot yourself and if unsure consult the Dr that was mentioned here. At first it means a lot of blood tests before and after.. You will need to be able to interpret them (usually you got normal ranges on blood tests printed behind). Once things are more stable you can do less blood tests.

 

If you are unsure.. you should really consult a Dr, I will not tell others what to do or be responsible for them. 

 

 

[Hummin]

Found this for treatment. So where in Hua Hin can you get this over counter? Original brand? Price for 12 weeks? 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6777395/