Los Becoming Like An Old People's Home

[cdnvic]

You guys judge Mr. Rambo too harshly for his typo. I have in my possession a photograph of him in action with the UPS Special Forces.

Back to the subject at hand, although there are many relationships among the May/November crowd that are based on other things than love, there is also the woman who appreciates a man with intelligence and maturity rather than the oversexed 30-somethings who act like teenagers.

It's difficult for the younger men to grasp that age and experience does indeed count for something. They'll figure it out when they get there...hopefully.

[qwertz]

Too much talk about sex, gratification and taking. The best relationships are based on friendship, just

enjoying being together. If you don't have this then your physical relationship will be short because sex with one person, regardless

of age difference will inevitably become boring. the same applies to love, in whatever form it may take for you. I know of very few

relationships where both partners were capable of giving an equal amount of love. That's where the friendship becomes important.

You have only to ask yourself this: could we stay together should one or both of us become old, sick and incapable of sexual

relations?

The oldsters tend to stay with their partners to the end; the youngsters mostly walk. Not that I reproach them for that, life goes on

but older people generally have a better developed sense of responsibility. Rambo will get his lessons from life. BTW, his namesake

is starting to show his age, like we all do.

[farang prince]

I don't think those people are, in fact, lovers. Do you ?

And if the young men/women in question genuinely had other choices, do you think they'd be in such relationships ? I find it difficult to imagine anyone would.

Your posts show that your conceptions of love is very narrowminded. Maby you have seen to many Hollywood movies and soap operas. In our part of the world love in the beginning is often getting your feet swept away under you, and stars bursting in your brain every time you look at your sweetheart, regrettably that dont last in 60-70 % of marriages that sooner or later end up in divorce.

C'mon guys release this young Rambo...I think he got the point that he cannot bash people just becuase he hates the memories of a relationship he had with an old woman when he was youngest. Everything he comments is based in the same feeling.

Coming back to the point, and talking about love, it is not possible to compare love at 20s, at 40s and at 60s. For those old folk who have had the privilegde of feel love again (or whatever everybody may call it), here a translation (unfortunatelly loose a lot) of a poem-song of the great Violeta Parra....To be 17 again

To be 17 again after having lived a century

is like comprehending symbols without being a savant,

to suddenly be fragile again, like a second in time,

to feel profoundly again, like a child before God.

That is what I feel in this fruitful moment.

Love entangles itself like ivy on a wall,

and it spreads like moss on a stone.

My steps go back in time as yours move forward.

The rainbow of our alliance has penetrated in my nest,

with all its colour it has passed through my veins,

and even the strong chain that ties us to destiny

is like a diamond that lights my serene soul.

What emotions can inspire, knowledge cannot.

nor can the clearest justice, nor the broadest thoughts.

Everything is changed by that moment whose complacent magician

carries us softly away from animosity and violence.

Only love with its science can make us innocent again.

Love is like a whirlwind of original purity

even ferocious animals whisper its sweet sound,

it stops pilgrims in their journey, it liberates prisoners.

Love, with its sparkling magic, turn old people into children again

and its spell makes evil people pure and sincere once more.

The window flew wide open as if by enchantment.

Love entered with its mantle like a warm morning,

disguised by the beauty of the moon, it made jasmine bloom,

flying like Seraphim placing jewels throughout the sky

this cherub brought me back to being 17 again.

Beautiful poem Torito. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[srifah]

Some cultures don't even mind men being more overweight.

They're not overweight, they're Full-figured men.

[ray23]

Actually I think Rambo has been pretty cool about this entire discussion. Never meant to flame him and wasn't trtyng to. just trying to understand where he was coming from.

As one guy said nothing comes free. It will show itself eventually.

[Wellyoudidask]

bloody trouble makers if you ask me!

Any more talk like this and ill hop on my electric whelchair and and attack you with my walking stick !

[Wellyoudidask]

Really Obnoxious agiest post,if thats all you have to post dont bother

maybe you missed the the humour that was intended and in any event I am one of those aged this thread is about,yes really, and sometimes we do like jokes about ourselves

Bruce forsythe told a great true story of when he visited an old peoples home, he walked up and down the dorms where everyone was shaking hands with him etc, but he noticed and old lady knitting in bed taking no notice of him whatsoever, so he walks over and says to her, " ello luv,do you know who i am ? " ..she looks at him thinks hard for a minute and says " no i dont,but if you ask matron she will tell you " ,......Classic

[Wellyoudidask]

I'm being entertained by two lovely young ladies as i type. Us younger, virile studs don't need to splash the cash in bars to get the ladies' attention, they volunteer for their pleasure.

Who? Mother Thumb and her sister, Middle Finger?

HORSEFEATHERS I SAY !

[Wellyoudidask]

I've noticed in Khon Kaen anyway that there are a lot more dottery old codgers around than a few years ago.

What's the reason for this?

Are heating bills going up in the Uk or something?

Can they no longer afford their half pint and drams?

Could they all be finding their 'tee ruks' through online agencies?

Are they coming to get their dentures replaced?

Anyone noticed in the other parts of the country?

Yeah, I have. I'm only 64 and I do hate it when all these wrinklies go limping by thinking they've still got what it takes. I'm with you all the way man, ship 'em all off home to care homes, there'll be more fun for us. And I won't have to stand in line any more at the pharmacy or help 'em across the road.

Only the young die good

SUPERB, ( JOHN ,A YOUNG 67YR OLD ! )

[Wellyoudidask]

Why all the hostility on some people's part towards older men being with younger women. Could it be the Western prejudice against single older men! Many cultures in the West and feminists have this angry resentment against single older men. I know many reading this have experienced this. In fact this has been a topic of conversation among expats that I know. Granted these men were from the USA.

Older men may have alot to offer younger women. They tend to be more mature. Often are economicaly more stable. They know who they are and what they want. In this day and age older men are often virile and in reasonably good health. Everthing is not just about sex. Not all cultures just value younger people and not those who are older. Some cultures don't even mind men being more overweight.

Good post. There is a lot of angry feminist / liberal nonsense talked about "sex tourism" pertaining to older white males only. There is definitely an agenda here, especially in the US.

Usually written by jealous married men and overweight women with no self confidence !

[Wellyoudidask]

There are PLENTY of Western women who are quite happy to have older lovers if he is famous or rolling in money. Why should Thai women be any different?

ANNA NICOLE KIDMAN,. #1...i would have married him for that much money !

[Wellyoudidask]

Us younger, virile studs don't need to splash the cash in bars to get the ladies' attention, they volunteer for their pleasure.

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Having been lucky enougth to have been here as a reasonably young man I can agree with you Rambo, when I first came out here I too had girls comming with me for no money just enjoyment, the problem was NOTHING in life is free, just keep taking the same (free) girls for long enougth and you will be aware of this too,

The price is not always financial, it may come in the way of constant phone calls, unwanted knocking at the door at 3am, aggression when seen out with another girl, there is always a price.

The free ones are the most expensive in my experience !

[Wellyoudidask]

Thanks for explanations Rambo, Don't agree but I used to think just below belt line to so I understand what your saying. You know as young man I had my first devoirce from my high school sweetheart. We went to counceling, the councler kept stressing sex, hel_l she wa attractive and great in bed. That was the point in my life that I realized I couldn't be having sex 7/24, other things mattered as well. Guess you just haven't gotten there yet.

Let me make this very clear, I have no respect for any man that would step into anothers marriage, Thai or farrang. If the mariage is bad then split and let each go and find thier own happiness.

It's interesting that you know exactly how you are going to think in 20 years, do still think in the same manner you did 20 years ago? If so you might be right.

You seem to be enoying yuor lifestyle now I think that is wonderful. Why in the world would you want to judge mine?

I have dated 50 year olds, those that I was attracted to and there were a lot of them. In actually they brought in many instances much to a realtionship then a 30 years old could. But the other thing they brought was thier past exposure to men. You ended up paying in one form or another for everything that any man had done to them on the past. Well you know what I found that to be very unattractive.

My marriage is based on trust and love, not the number times we have sex. My wife is my best friend and I hers. If your lucky you may find that someday. There is no one I would rather spend my time and share activities with then her. To see us apart is rare, neither one insists on that, just the way it is. So could it be that you are only seeing one aspect these realtionships. Or do you think just beacause I'm older then you that I would settle for anyhting less. hel_l man I can get laid by cuties any ###### time I want to, just takes a bit of money and I have it. Not what I wanted not what I settled for.

I guess we definetly travel in different circles you see I know a lot of older farrangs that have real marriages here.

I guess everyone is different. You see I am happy with my marriage, does that make me wrong? My wife is happy in her mariage doees that make her wrong? There are a lot more then you seem to be aware of.

Would it be wrong for me to judge your lifestyle? Yes it would.

THERE ARE A LOT OF SMALL MINDED PEOPLE ABOUT, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THAI LADIES, ISNT IT 3 PER CENT THAT WORK BARS WHICH SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE TO MARRY ?... PLEASE DONT FORGET THE 97 PER CENT THAT DONT, AND MOST OF US HAVE CHOSEN THEM,IM NOT KNOCKING THEM, PLEASE BELEIVE IT WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS SOUND,ITS QUITE COMMON ! Edited May 1, 2007 by Wellyoudidask

[Begbie]

[That was so boring, I'm gonna go out and shoot a wrinkled farang Dougie that looks like he's soaking his government for a pension.

Many people here know the concept of Hansard, Master Witt. Disraeli-Gladstone brouhahas in Parliament were way more exciting than this. Sorry.

If you don't want to be bored why are you spending so much time surfing TV? (906 posts in 2 months ???)

Hansard is not a concept. Its a publication. Since many persons here are not from the UK I'm sure they value and explanation.

Yes, I grew up in the colonies, but even we know the concept and purpose of Hansard. The concept of Hansard is the point, as in, what is it?

Yes. I like TV comments and joining in TV tea parties, but I do not waste time checking posters' ratings. That is childish.

Have a good day, Master Witt.

And don't forget to proofread your posts now, young Master Witt.

Edit: Regrets, forgot to highlight your Its typo.

Glad I don't wake up next to you each morning sweetheart.

[WaiWai]

Please WaiWai and Rambo for that matter, could you be helpfull and define love in Sweden contra Etiopia, and America contra Saudiarabia, Denmark contra Thailand, England contra Angola aso. aso. Because you talk about love like it is the same all over the world, you talk like cultural diffrences dont have any baring on the perception of love.

While you contemplate the above you could also make a list of countries where the bride dont actually choose her husband but where he is choosen for her, somtimes 10 years or more before she is old enough to actually leave her family and join the family of her new husband.

Would you dare to presume that the 100 of millions in this world that live in marriages like that dont have a love defined by their culture and circumstances.

Your posts show that your conceptions of love is very narrowminded. Maby you have seen to many Hollywood movies and soap operas.

In our part of the world love in the beginning is often getting your feet swept away under you, and stars bursting in your brain every time you look at your sweetheart, regrettably that dont last in 60-70 % of marriages that sooner or later end up in divorce.

In many other parts of the world love comes later in the marriage based on the mutual trust that slowly have developed and the devotion and affection the partners have showed each other and where age is a much smaller factor in the equation.

You confuse the often bad relation ships seen here in Pattaya/ Thailand made for all the wrong reasons, neanderthal men wanting a submissive maide and w...., and girls out to make a quick buck, with an age question, but true love knows no boundaries, you young wippersnappers

(larvidchr)

I am a bit confused. You began by saying that love is culturally circumscribed but ended by saying that true love knows no boundaries.

I agree that culture affects much about us, sometimes to a great extent and sometimes to a negligible extent.

Love takes many forms, and I am not about to be so foolish as to attempt to define it.

You appear to be arguing that in some cultures a young person cannot choose their life partner, and thus the type of partnerships we are discussing here (Thai/foreigner) are acceptable.

That may or may not be the way a young Thai might view things.

I was merely saying that if those young people did have other choices, those partnerships would not exist in such large numbers.

And yes, I do believe that those young people should be given the education & other oppportunities that would enable them to have a choice.

Don't you ?

[larvidchr]

And yes, I do believe that those young people should be given the education & other oppportunities that would enable them to have a choice.

Don't you ?

True love has no boundries, meaning age, circumstances aso. but how do we define true love in different parts of the world, I belive that was my question to you???

I would love that everybody has a chance for really good education, the only way forward in the world no question. But even in the world of high education, marriage with great age difference happens reguarly, my own Mother is 70 this year, married on year 20 to a man Phd. in histori 18 years yunger than her, and a more devoted cuple is hard to find. And how many professors end up marrying ung female students, yung females in contact with young bright men still is aroused and attracted to the older intelligent mature and calm man.

Things are never only black or white (simple). I belive that was yet another point I was trying to make.

Kind regards.

Edited May 1, 2007 by larvidchr

[torito]

I was merely saying that if those young people did have other choices, those partnerships would not exist in such large numbers.

We can make an analogy with some young jerks and loosers from caucasian countries who come to Thailand......if they would have any chance of a woman in their native countries, we would have in here in such a large numbers....

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When I see an old man (who appears just counting the days to go to the hole) with a young and beautiful woman holding his harm, I feel a sense of envy...what else can I feel?

what a lucky guy who has the priviledge that was reserved only for kings and rich!..

what a lucky guy who can dream and believe the impossible

what a lucky guy who can live such the fantasy again

what a great way to to!,

and what lucky we are that we have viagra, so even sex now is possible at old ages!

Good on him, I wish he enjoys and appreciates because it is a priviledge that many man in this world can not even image that it is possible!..

.........and I whish some day I can go the same way

Edited May 1, 2007 by torito

[John_Rambo]

Sexual relations! They get that from their Thai boyfriends dearie.

Very often true.

PS. And Rambo, if an old good looking gentleman rools up in his mercedes and walks in where you sit, i bet you you will be alone with your keyboard in a flash, wondering if all the fitnesscenter money havent been a waste of time, you se it is better to have light in the bulb, than 1000 watts in the upper arm only.

LOL, good to see you old timers haven't lost your sense of humour as well.

C'mon guys release this young Rambo...I think he got the point that he cannot bash people just becuase he hates the memories of a relationship he had with an old woman when he was youngest. Everything he comments is based in the same feeling.

I don't believe i have bashed anyone on this thread, on the contrary i think i have been quite civil to everyone who has responded to me, despite some attempting to be less than cordial with me. But it would appear, as expected, that there are those who don't like what i have to say because it challenges their version of reality in which getting off the plane at Suvanabhumi suddenly transforms our ageing gentlemen into highly attractive and desirable partners, for reasons other than the cash in their pocket. Keep living the dream mate....

We can make an analogy with some young jerks and loosers from caucasian countries who come to Thailand......if they would have any chance of a woman in their native countries, we would have in here in such a large numbers....

Quite an ironic thing to say in the context of this thread, don't you think? After all, the overwhelming majority of these old guys involved with significantly younger women in Thailand have absolutely no chance of replicating their apparent success in their home countries. I'll leave you to wonder about why that is....

And at the end of all this dialogue....i still feel sorry for the women....

[buriramboy]

Sexual relations! They get that from their Thai boyfriends dearie.

Very often true.

PS. And Rambo, if an old good looking gentleman rools up in his mercedes and walks in where you sit, i bet you you will be alone with your keyboard in a flash, wondering if all the fitnesscenter money havent been a waste of time, you se it is better to have light in the bulb, than 1000 watts in the upper arm only.

LOL, good to see you old timers haven't lost your sense of humour as well.

C'mon guys release this young Rambo...I think he got the point that he cannot bash people just becuase he hates the memories of a relationship he had with an old woman when he was youngest. Everything he comments is based in the same feeling.

I don't believe i have bashed anyone on this thread, on the contrary i think i have been quite civil to everyone who has responded to me, despite some attempting to be less than cordial with me. But it would appear, as expected, that there are those who don't like what i have to say because it challenges their version of reality in which getting off the plane at Suvanabhumi suddenly transforms our ageing gentlemen into highly attractive and desirable partners, for reasons other than the cash in their pocket. Keep living the dream mate....

We can make an analogy with some young jerks and loosers from caucasian countries who come to Thailand......if they would have any chance of a woman in their native countries, we would have in here in such a large numbers....

Quite an ironic thing to say in the context of this thread, don't you think? After all, the overwhelming majority of these old guys involved with significantly younger women in Thailand have absolutely no chance of replicating their apparent success in their home countries. I'll leave you to wonder about why that is....

And at the end of all this dialogue....i still feel sorry for the women....

couldn't have put it better myself.

BB

[torito]

Keep living the dream mate....

Thanks Rambo...I will take your wise advise....

...have absolutely no chance of replicating their apparent success in their home countries.....

No need to provide more personnal experiences....already know that your are a looser in the USA

Edited May 1, 2007 by torito

[John_Rambo]

No need to provide more personnal experiences....already know that your are a looser in the USA

You know nothing about me, so i can only conclude that anyone who disturbs your little fantasy world is considered by you to be a loser. You're not coming out of this thread looking very good torito, i have to say. Nothing but wild assumptions and personal attacks from you. I suggest you consider acting your age.

[larvidchr]

And at the end of all this dialogue....i still feel sorry for the women....

No need to bash Rambo or anyone, diffrence of opinion is allowed.

Rambo the fact that you have feelings however misplaced they might be, is good, I would say you are halfway there maturity and wisdom will hit you when you least expect it, keep being nice to the girls, you never know when an old dinosaur comes to take over, and he would want a happy girl

Kind regards.

[WaiWai]

When I see an old man (who appears just counting the days to go to the hole) with a young and beautiful woman holding his harm, I feel a sense of envy...what else can I feel?

what a lucky guy who has the priviledge that was reserved only for kings and rich!..

what a lucky guy who can dream and believe the impossible

what a lucky guy who can live such the fantasy again

what a great way to to!

And when you look at the young woman/young man you feel ... nothing ?

[WaiWai]

I would love that everybody has a chance for really good education, the only way forward in the world no question. But even in the world of high education, marriage with great age difference happens reguarly, my own Mother is 70 this year, married on year 20 to a man Phd. in histori 18 years yunger than her, and a more devoted cuple is hard to find. And how many professors end up marrying ung female students, yung females in contact with young bright men still is aroused and attracted to the older intelligent mature and calm man.

These are people with options.

These are people who do not need to sell their bodies and/or company, to survive & support families in a developing country, because they know of few alternatives.

It's not the age difference that jars so much as the difference in power; power which, in the absence of money, would come largely from education and the choices it provides.

Edited May 1, 2007 by WaiWai

[torito]

Rambo the fact that you have feelings however misplaced they might be, is good, I would say you are halfway there maturity and wisdom will hit you when you least expect it, keep being nice to the girls, you never know when an old dinosaur comes to take over, and he would want a happy girl

[qwertz]

Quote JR: I don't believe i have bashed anyone on this thread............

Yes you did! You bashed old people in general and that is IMO outright intolerant ageism. Get some more time in over there and you'll find it's 50/50 men and women using each other. BTW, you'll learn more about ageing if you take less sack time with threesomes and take more interest in people. If your life centres on sex then it's only natural that your view of other partnerships is influenced by that interest. I'm not attacking your outlook but - man, you have the naivety of a 14 year old. It's no wonder you have an aversion to old people.

Edited May 1, 2007 by qwertz

[torito]

Quote JR: I don't believe i have bashed anyone on this thread............

Yes you did! You bashed old people in general and that is IMO outright intolerant ageism. Get some more time in over there and you'll find it's 50/50 men and women using each other. BTW, you'll learn more about ageing if you take less sack time with threesomes and take more interest in people. If your life centres on sex then it's only natural that your view of other partnerships is influenced by that interest. I'm not attacking your outlook but - man, you have the naivety of a 14 year old. It's no wonder you have an aversion to old people.

Gee you talk nice 'qwertz'

As soon as you have a time to come to LOS I challenge you to a race on our wheelchairs.......and we can ask Rambo to look after the oxigen bottles

[qwertz]

I wouldn't take you on for a race, torito, because I know how smart us oldsters are at conserving energy for the real challenge ahead; you'll probably burn rubber and leave me standing (my wheelie is old GDR standard issue). And better not ask JR to act as marshall; you know already how averse he is to old men. Youngsters go for the sprint, burn out and leave the kill to us. Pumping iron is for narcissists. I do hope JR isn't one. What the hey - he's probably a very nice guy in the flesh and maybe even a churchgoer who does things for his mother and brings her flowers etc. BTW, I can't help but wonder if he has a granddad and what he thinks of him?

Edited May 1, 2007 by qwertz

[uptou]

i'd just like to say if any of you olduns have been in thailand too long & decide to get your hair dyed,please get it done proffesionally as ive seen some disasters.i saw a guy with an attractive shade of almost purple the other day.

[qwertz]

i'd just like to say if any of you olduns have been in thailand too long & decide to get your hair dyed,please get it done proffesionally as ive seen some disasters.i saw a guy with an attractive shade of almost purple the other day.

Thanks for the tip but your advice falls on a bald pate.