Thailand’s Pledge To End Death Penalty In Doubt

By Pravit Rojanaphruk, Senior Staff Writer

 

Piyanut Kotsan, director of Amnesty Thailand, at a launch event for Amnesty International’s 2017 report. Photo: Amnesty Thailand

 

BANGKOK — Uncertainty is looming over Thailand’s commitment to abolish the death penalty in light of massive public support for capital punishment.

 

Amnesty International Thailand said Tuesday that it’s unsure whether the government’s fourth national human rights plan will once again commit to abolition as an explicit goal. Last year, Amnesty was informed by the government that Thailand would be unable to abolish capital punishment by the end of 2018 as had been stated in the current five-year rights plan that concludes this year.

 

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/crime-crime/2018/06/27/thailands-pledge-to-end-death-penalty-in-doubt/

 

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It's only seems fair that the day criminals will pledge to stop killing innocent people, that the day the Thai government should also stop the capital punishments...

"...Uncertainty is looming over Thailand’s commitment to abolish the death penalty in light of massive public support for capital punishment..."

 

There is no uncertainty; they killed someone a week ago. That looks pretty certain to me that they will keep it.

 

Respectfully, where do you see the uncertainty?

 

 

Edited June 27, 20188 yr by Samui Bodoh
Lack of coffee

Hassles and road carnage are the only certainties in today's Thailand.   I mean the Rohingya, who are stateless, are not considered refugees by Thailand.  The current government of Thailand only deserves satire and to be maligned.  Trust is way beyond the realm of possibility. 

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

It's only seems fair that the day criminals will pledge to stop killing innocent people, that the day the Thai government should also stop the capital punishments...

Maybe you don't know it, but the death penalty can not be reversed.

In a country with a good working police and justice system even 4-5% of the executed were not guilty.

Killing an innocent man is a state condoned murder.

And as I understand the latest execution was a bit iffy.

And no, the death penalty does not minimise crime, it is said it makes crime more violent.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Uncertainty is looming over Thailand’s commitment to abolish the death penalty in light of massive public support for capital punishment.

The fact they killed someone last week casts a great deal more uncertainty. 

Umm...

No uncertainty.

See news last week.

5 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

"...Uncertainty is looming over Thailand’s commitment to abolish the death penalty in light of massive public support for capital punishment..."

 

There is no uncertainty; they killed someone a week ago. That looks pretty certain to me that they will keep it.

 

Respectfully, where do you see the uncertainty?

 

 

And why should Thailand give up killing people? 

Army members are used to or have fun even! 

First fry that physiopath that hammered his ex to death then chopped her up.that animal has to die...

Edited June 27, 20188 yr by mok199
speliings

With the increase of killings on the rise of innocent women and children in Thailand think it's good they don't abolish capital punishment. Some criminals just deserve to die, why waste tax payers money on feeding them in prison, save cell space too.. 

Keep the death penalty,  it's all only about revenge.

 

Revenge is good in Thailand 

2 hours ago, hansnl said:

Maybe you don't know it, but the death penalty can not be reversed.

In a country with a good working police and justice system even 4-5% of the executed were not guilty.

Killing an innocent man is a state condoned murder.

And as I understand the latest execution was a bit iffy.

And no, the death penalty does not minimise crime, it is said it makes crime more violent.

Not if they do away with a couple hundred a year,,, than the crims may start thinking,,, Will I be next ,,,,

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Respectfully, where do you see the uncertainty?

Unfortunately, Government is not noted for keeping "promises". Much talk but very little action (about many things). 

We can all criticise one side or other of the debate BUT what possible deterrent sentence could be put in place?  

1 hour ago, Richard Ivin Amal said:

With the increase of killings on the rise of innocent women and children in Thailand think it's good they don't abolish capital punishment. Some criminals just deserve to die, why waste tax payers money on feeding them in prison, save cell space too.. 

The two Burmese workers convicted of killing the two English tourists have been sentenced to death.

Do you have enough faith in the Thai legal system to be sure they are really guilty?

Wrongly convicted people can be released from prison, they can't be bought back from death though.

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

And why should Thailand give up killing people? 

Army members are used to or have fun even! 

For the army, killing conscripts is a form of recreational sport free from reprisal for those bullies who are assigned to train them.

No death penalty for them for killing young Thais who are forced against their will to join the services. 

3 hours ago, digger70 said:

Not if they do away with a couple hundred a year,,, than the crims may start thinking,,, Will I be next ,,,,

Well the death penalty has been going on for years in various countries. Clearly "the crims" aren't that bothered or nobody would be executed by now.

Unless it is for noisy exhaust pipes, the death penalty should not be used.

3 hours ago, lvr181 said:

We can all criticise one side or other of the debate BUT what possible deterrent sentence could be put in place?  

There is no evidence the death penalty acts as a deterrent. 

Another Government pledge to be defaulted upon due to the demands of rank populism.

 

Government by opinion poll. What a shower.

13 hours ago, hansnl said:

Maybe you don't know it, but the death penalty can not be reversed.

In a country with a good working police and justice system even 4-5% of the executed were not guilty.

Killing an innocent man is a state condoned murder.

And as I understand the latest execution was a bit iffy.

And no, the death penalty does not minimise crime, it is said it makes crime more violent.

Total rubbish

8 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

There is no evidence the death penalty acts as a deterrent. 

Seems not successfull - but probably would for some 'sane' people.

 

I just want people/society to perhaps give some thought to what 'sentence' could take its place to meet the expectations of society and the families and friends of the victims. Criminals must take responsibility and be held accountable for their actions - whatever the crime. At trial, no pleaing a reason as an excuse. They have given up any rights to live in a normal society by their actions by committing abhorrent crimes (e.g. murder).

 

Perhaps a lifetime sentence (and that means NO parole or early release) where their only rights are to food, medicine and shelter. If they can be put to work to 'repay' society whilst incarcerated, even better.

 

Just a thought.

1 hour ago, Jingjock said:

Total rubbish

 

Really? Seemed sensible to me.

 

Why is it rubbish and what is not rubbish?

1 hour ago, lvr181 said:

Seems not successfull - but probably would for some 'sane' people.

 

I just want people/society to perhaps give some thought to what 'sentence' could take its place to meet the expectations of society and the families and friends of the victims. Criminals must take responsibility and be held accountable for their actions - whatever the crime. At trial, no pleaing a reason as an excuse. They have given up any rights to live in a normal society by their actions by committing abhorrent crimes (e.g. murder).

 

Perhaps a lifetime sentence (and that means NO parole or early release) where their only rights are to food, medicine and shelter. If they can be put to work to 'repay' society whilst incarcerated, even better.

 

Just a thought.

I don’t think even those measures would act as a deterrent.

 

If deterrents worked there would be no crime. 

40 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t think even those measures would act as a deterrent.

 

If deterrents worked there would be no crime. 

Then use this system as a replacement for the death penalty and if the person is, at sometime in the future, not found to be the guilty party they at least, have not been executed?

 

But those (Governments, citizens and/or victims of crime) who want to keep the death penalty in place may still not be placated by a suggestion such as mine.

 

Regardless of any law there will be crime - 'tis human nature unfortunately and so long as your butt or mine points to the ground this is not going to change anytime soon. 

2 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Then use this system as a replacement for the death penalty and if the person is, at sometime in the future, not found to be the guilty party they at least, have not been executed?

 

But those (Governments, citizens and/or victims of crime) who want to keep the death penalty in place may still not be placated by a suggestion such as mine.

 

Regardless of any law there will be crime - 'tis human nature unfortunately and so long as your butt or mine points to the ground this is not going to change anytime soon. 

I am against the death penalty.

 

I believe there is no deterrent that will prevent crime.

 

I do believe in punishment within a justice system, but not vengence.

25 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I believe there is no deterrent that will prevent crime.

I wish it were true - but as a driver (when in my 'nanny state) the draconian fines + for speeding ARE a deterrent. Not only to me but many others as well.

 

There is no 'perfect' solution.

 

I read your point clearly, so let's agree to disagree on that one and move forward?  ? 

12 hours ago, baboon said:

Well the death penalty has been going on for years in various countries. Clearly "the crims" aren't that bothered or nobody would be executed by now.

Unless it is for noisy exhaust pipes, the death penalty should not be used.

The crims will take Note if All their mates Will be executed ,,,, Not just one crim.

21 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

I wish it were true - but as a driver (when in my 'nanny state) the draconian fines + for speeding ARE a deterrent. Not only to me but many others as well.

 

There is no 'perfect' solution.

 

I read your point clearly, so let's agree to disagree on that one and move forward?  ? 

No worries.

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

The crims will take Note if All their mates Will be executed ,,,, Not just one crim.

Ever heard the expression 'An eye for an eye and the world goes blind'....?

3 hours ago, baboon said:

Ever heard the expression 'An eye for an eye and the world goes blind'....?

No,,, what's that got to do with the price off eggs  ?