Briton, 60, found with drugs dies fleeing police in Udon Thani

[Get Real]

One less dealer tarnishing the Honda brand name.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, bluesofa said:

I don't recall seeing any police car in villages around Udon, let alone "patrolling". The only time I've seen one is on the main road when there's a check on motorcyclists without helmets, or driving licence checks generally.

I live in the the village where the alleged "patrol' car stopped to investigate someone acting suspiciously. I've never seen a police car going through the village before.

I feel there's more to the reason why they were around here, and at that time of night.

I mentioned before, you and I cannot tell where plain clothes cops in unmarked cars are working. That's so the drug dealers don't know either.

 

The daylight-only main road traffic stops (mostly for motorbikes) and the night-time main road check points (mostly for smuggling and illegal labor movements) are pretty much the only places the average foreigner like you and I will see the uniformed cops in action, replete with cop cars.

 

I was very surprised one night while driving on a rural road south of Nong Wua So (west side of Udon town) how many manned police check points there were; every village seemed to have one, up to 3 within a couple of kilometers. It was explained that riding herd on the drunks, burglars and drug dealers is a major night-time police occupation in the boonies and due to the rabbits warren of country roads, the checkpoints are numerous... and they all have radio communications, something that was lost on this muppet when he chose to do a runner.

 

The east side of Udon town is a well known 'bad' area, from Sam Phrao, through Nong Sai and south to the Sakhon Nakhon highway 22. Yes, the cops were there for a reason and this dead Brit was one of those reasons.

 

I was chatting with some long-time foreign residents last night and we reckon there's a sizable amount of older foreigners who will all be a bit put out that their dealer has copped it. Maybe it will reduce the increasing, late-night frisson created by a few amped-up, lonely old idiots, bar-hopping the north end of 'Soi Sampan' on Friday and Saturday nights, desperately living the dream.

Edited July 1, 2018 by NanLaew

[stephenterry]

23 minutes ago, Tony Hanscomb said:

The man didn't deserve to die, regardless of what he was doing, he was only small time probably the only way to sustain his exsistance in the country, supply and demand, nobody forces you to take drugs, how many on here can hold there hand up and say they have never dabbled?feel sorry for his wife and baby, RIP to the fella..

The issue, Tony, is that crystal meths (Ya Bah Ice) is a pure uncut version of methamphetamine not laced with caffeine as for Ya Bah - a 'lesser keep-awake' drug - and is highly addictive to the extreme in giving 'highs of invinciblety'.

 

Meth is highly addictive because it produces a large amount of the pleasure chemical dopamine in the brain. If left untreated, meth addiction can lead to mental illness, overdose and death.Victims are hooked and become addicts who would sell their nearest and dearest to obtain more.

 

For that reason, I cannot condone what this Brit did and for personal financial gain.   Karma for him, albeit sad for his family.

 

 

 

[Odysseus123]

29 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The issue, Tony, is that crystal meths (Ya Bah Ice) is a pure uncut version of methamphetamine not laced with caffeine as for Ya Bah - a 'lesser keep-awake' drug - and is highly addictive to the extreme in giving 'highs of invinciblety'.

 

Meth is highly addictive because it produces a large amount of the pleasure chemical dopamine in the brain. If left untreated, meth addiction can lead to mental illness, overdose and death.Victims are hooked and become addicts who would sell their nearest and dearest to obtain more.

 

For that reason, I cannot condone what this Brit did and for personal financial gain.   Karma for him, albeit sad for his family.

 

 

 

Except the quote did not come from Tony.There might be a bit of a technical issue here as someone (hopefully inadvertently) did the same thing to me on another thread.

 

I was amazed at times that foreigners openly discussed the purchase of marijuana in front of the Thai people as if they had some form of immunity-or thought they were among friends..

 

Some certainly appeared to be leading a form of double life and were in the process of crashing and burning-often in the most spectacular fashion.

[Cranky]

Can't understand why he didn't simply stand his ground and negotiate instead of doing a pointless runner.  Pretty obvious they knew exactly who he was and what he was up to.

[Enoon]

42 minutes ago, Cranky said:

Can't understand why he didn't simply stand his ground and negotiate instead of doing a pointless runner.  Pretty obvious they knew exactly who he was and what he was up to.

 

Making a run for it seems to be normal practice for drug dealers in Thailand when confronted by police check points.

 

Another drug dealer dead in a police chase is not really "news" anymore.

 

He really "went native" didn't he?

 

Bye bye David John Sewell......drug dealer.

 

 

 

Edited July 1, 2018 by Enoon

[NanLaew]

37 minutes ago, Cranky said:

Can't understand why he didn't simply stand his ground and negotiate instead of doing a pointless runner.  Pretty obvious they knew exactly who he was and what he was up to.

Even Thai dealers doing a runner try to ditch any stuff along the way just like in the movies. Chances are a pursuing cop or review of cctv will catch where the stuff went out the window but if they don't then yes, the guy could take the chance and stand his "I'm innocent" ground knowing there's bugger all in the car.

 

One thing I learned from hanging with cocaine users is that some get intensely paranoid after snorting. maybe this guy wasn't just dealing but casually using as well?

[blackcab]

An off topic post and a reply to it have been removed.

[Kerryd]

There are a lot of clueless people commenting about things things they obviously know little about.

For example, all the people who think gangja (marijuana) is absolutely harmless. Bull. 
Marijuana has long been considered a "gateway" drug not because it makes you want to try harder drugs, but because it lowers your inhibitions and allows others to (more easily) convince you to try those harder drugs. You can also build up a tolerance to it, to the point where you have to smoke more and more in order to get the same "buzz" you used to be able to get from a single joint. That can lead people into trying other substances while trying to recreate the high they used to get from weed.

 

I haven't smoked pot since I was 17 and even then it was a rare occurrence, but it seems half the people I knew were smoking it on a regular basis. Some were growing it and spent a lot of time making "hybrids" to try and get the best possible quality (highest THC content). Problem was, even with high grade weed, sometimes it just wasn't "enough".

Back in the eighties I stopped associating with one group of friends completely when I saw some of them adding some white powder to joints at a party. Turns out it was "Angle Dust" (PCP) which can be highly addictive. They said regular pot wasn't enough to get a good "high" on (even though it was supposedly some pretty damn good weed). I didn't stick around to see who they handed those joints out to.
At previous parties, even though they knew I didn't smoke pot they'd always try to get me try some, hoping maybe I'd be drunk enough to give in or something. (I couldn't use any drugs as I was in the army and they had a zero tolerance policy - I had to leave when they'd start lighting up joints to try and avoid getting any in my system.)
When I said no, they'd offer me something else (like cocaine). For free of course. (Even back then I wasn't that stupid.) To this day I've never talked to any of them again.

One of the people at that last party was a woman I'd known for years. On a "work day", she'd wake up in the morning, light a joint. Come downstairs and put on some coffee, light a joint. Go to the bathroom, get dressed, pour a coffee, light a joint. Pack a lunch, start the truck, pull out of the driveway, smoke another joint on the way to the job site. Get there, park the truck, get out, light another joint.

(Not a word of a lie - back then I smoked about a pack a day of strong cigarettes and she was smoking more pot than I was cigarettes.)
She'd built up such a tolerance and had such a dependency that she literally had to smoke pot all day to keep the cravings at bay.

If someone came up to you right now and said "hey, lets smoke some crack cocaine" most of you would flat out say no, period. However, if you've had a couple joints and are pleasantly buzzed and someone said "hey man, try some of this stuff, it's ****ing awesome", chances are a lot of you would think "Sure, why not ? Once won't hurt" (and so on). 

(They even made a movie where the story played out almost exactly like that. Guy gets a girl stoned on pot at a party, takes her into a room, convinces her to try something a little "stronger", she agrees, he shoots her up and when she's totally out of it he screws her. She ends up getting hooked of course and ends up to the point where she's screwing lowlife dealers to try and score another fix.)

I watched that movie and wondered how many parties I'd been to where something similar happened in real life. Pot was a much better "panty remover" than booze back in those days because of it's ability to lower peoples inhibitions and "mellow them out".

 

With many drugs (meth, heroin, cocaine), it's not hard to become addicted in a short period of time. Dealers know that, that is why they often let people try a little "for free" (like the people at the party I mentioned). Maybe hide it inside something else. Give them a little taste, get them hooked and you literally have a customer for life.
 

I lived on the Lower East Side of Vancouver for awhile when I first got out of the army. At the time I didn't know the city and had no idea that I'd basically moved into "ground zero" of the worst drug area of the city. By day, things seems fairly normal but in the evenings the sidewalks seemed to be nothing but junkies and dealers. The building I lived in housed a lot of "reformed" addicts and after being there for a few months, you heard most of their stories.

Almost every single one of them (men and women) started out just smoking pot and at some point (usually at a party) they were offered something "a little stronger". Eventually they ended up hooked (on heroin or crack or meth) so bad they lost all their money, their jobs and even their families. Guys turned to crime and girls turned to prostitution to feed their habits. Many that were able to get clean ended up getting re-addicted as they had nothing else in their lives (sort of like how many expats in Thailand become alcoholics because they have nothing else to do but sit in a bar all day drinking). 
In Vancouver (and most other places I assume) they say the same thing. "You know how you can tell if a junkie is lying ? Their lips are moving."
So true.
 

By the way, opium IS addictive. Seriously - I can't believe anyone wouldn't know that in this day and age !  It has been addictive ever since it was first discovered. 
Right now many places are having an "opioid" crisis. Opioids are synthetic drugs meant to mimic opium's effects.

Opiates are drugs derived from a species of the poppy flower, including raw opium itself. Both are considered to be "dangerously addictive".

Here's an example  - one of the problems with opium is that quite often, the people growing the poppies become addicted just through the contact they make with the bulbs when they are milking the raw opium from them. The tiny amount being absorbed though the skin is enough that over time it leads to addiction. It's causing a major crisis in Afghanistan, especially as their religion prohibits "drugs" (but they justify growing/selling it by claiming it is only meant for "infidels" - got to love religion - you can excuse pretty much any and everything by using religion to justify it). (The government -because of their religion - doesn't want to admit there is a problem or do anything to treat the addicts.)

Oh and as it seems some have no idea, people refine opium to make Heroin. You've heard of that, haven't you ? 

It is estimated that Afghanistan alone supplies 80% of Europe's Heroin through the poppies it grows and the opium it exports (which is how the Taliban fund most of their operations it seems).

People whine "what about alcohol and cigarettes ?" 

Yes, they are addictive as well but there are major differences between them - which should be blatantly obvious to anyone that actually thinks about it.
Both alcohol and tobacco are heavily regulated. There are all manner of laws that deal with their usage (i.e. age limitations, driving laws, rules on where you can drink/smoke in public, etc).

But the biggest difference is - no matter how much you drink - no one around you is going to get drunk from the booze you have consumed. (And don't get stupid and say "what about if I puke on you and you end up swallowing some".) You can sit shoulder to shoulder with a dozen people and drink a bottle of whisky all to yourself and not one of them will fail a breathalyzer.

 

Change that around to you smoking a joint (or two). Everyone around you will be affected by the smoke and all would test positive for THC.

I shake my head whenever I hear people claim that they'd never smoke pot while driving, or with other people in the car, or in front of their kids. I shake my head because almost every single person I've even known that smoked pot, did exactly all those things. Not the slightest bit of concern for how their smoking would affect others around them, even their own kids.

 

I went to a club in Amsterdam once, had 2 drinks, walked out as stoned as if I'd been riding in a van all day with Cheech and Chong. At first I couldn't figure out what was wrong, I was blitzed but had only 2 drinks. The 2 girls and the other guy I was with were also wasted and they hadn't drank much either. Then we realized, all that smoke in the club was a mix of marijuana and hash smoke (it was one of those places where when you sat at a table they handed you a menu listing all the types of pot and hash available, and give you a dirty glare if you ask for booze). Just sitting in there breathing in all that second hand smoke was enough to get us all wasted. If someone tested us, we'd all have tested positive for drug use and there'd be really no way of proving that we hadn't actually smoked anything ourselves (which we hadn't).

 

People can get things like lung cancer from breathing "second hand smoke" but it usually requires you to actually smoke cigarettes yourself to get hooked on them. Lots of people spend lots of time in smoke filled environments (like bars and restaurants) and never take up smoking themselves. I grew up in an environment where everyone smoked like a chimney and never had the desire to smoke a cigarette until one day a bunch of us kids did it as a dare when I was 13. That lead to trying more to "look cool" and by the time I was 20, I was up to a pack a day. 
Took me 35 years until I finally put an effort into trying to quit (and it's been just over 6 years since I've quit and now I can't imagine why anyone would want to smoke at all).
If those bars and restaurants were filled with pot (and/or hash) smoke, maybe mixed with some other things, pretty much all the people working in them would not only still be at risk for things like lung cancer, they'd also be getting stoned (and possibly addicted) whether they wanted to or not, just by breathing.

While cigarettes are addictive and very hard to quit, how many times have you heard of a smoker knocking off a gas station or mugging some old lady to get money to "buy another pack of menthols" or a bottle of Wild Turkey ? How many addicted hookers on the street are turning tricks so they can buy a glass of cheap wine or some Marlborough Slims to relieve the cravings ?

Drunks may get into fights and sit outside a bar slobbering on themselves while begging passerby's for money while smokers fidget and twitch and get (very) irritable, but I've never seen either on their hands and knees scraping at cracks in the pavement hoping to find a tiny piece of crack cocaine that someone else may have dropped (in Vancouver we called them "crack farmers").
Never seen a smoker or drinker turning tricks in an alley for $5 because that was all they needed to get a beer or pack of smokes. Never seen a smoker or drinker mug and nearly kill someone so they could steal his money and buy some beer (or cigarettes).

But I've seen drug addicts do all those things.

 

There are very good reasons why those drugs are illegal and why so many countries take such a hard stand against them. I hear people whine that pot is illegal because the US can't tax it. Seriously - how stupid does that sound ? The US can't tax it so that is why pot (and other drugs) are illegal in China, Iran, Pakistan, Russia (and pretty much the majority of the rest of the planet) ? Dumbest argument ever (on that particular subject at least). 
  
Many of the same people argue over why hemp is illegal and claim it's because "big timber" are behind the ban and it's all a conspiracy. Until I point out that (in the US and many other countries) it is not illegal to grow hemp. All you have to do is get a licence. They usually fade into the background after that or pretend they were talking about something else.

 

I've known a lot of people (here and back home) that have smoked a lot of pot in their lifetimes and in almost every case you'd swear they had Alzheimers now (or some other degenerative disease). Slurring speech, drooping eyelids, memory loss, loss of motor function. (Yeah, something all those people that claim cannabis cures everything ignore or pretend they don't know anything about.) 

I know of at least one person that used to smoke pot and stopped when he saw the effects it was having on some of our friends. He realized that if he kept it up, he'd probably end up like them as well.

Contrary to the belief of some, governments around the world haven't banned those drugs just because they want to "stick it to the little guy" or because "almighty America has demanded it be so". 

But don't tell them that ! They want to believe that those drugs are illegal because of some global conspiracy !

Many of them probably know a guy who knew a guy that had a friend who heard about some guy that used to shoot up heroin 3-4 times a day and never got addicted ! Uh huh.

Or another guy who supposedly smoked so much weed he looked (and acted) like he was permanently stoned but it never affected him (like Otto the schoolbus driver on the Simpsons). Uh huh.

Or the guy who smoked weed, snorted coke and main-lined heroin and never had any bad side effects. Sure he died falling off the roof of a building but it was the fall that killed him, not all the drugs in his system ! Uh huh.

Oh but it's all harmless ! It only affects the people that use them. People only do it by their own choice.

 

Right. 

[toofarnorth]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Even Thai dealers doing a runner try to ditch any stuff along the way just like in the movies. Chances are a pursuing cop or review of cctv will catch where the stuff went out the window but if they don't then yes, the guy could take the chance and stand his "I'm innocent" ground knowing there's bugger all in the car.

 

One thing I learned from hanging with cocaine users is that some get intensely paranoid after snorting. maybe this guy wasn't just dealing but casually using as well?

Yes and if the cops were in an unmarked car you would have every reason to do a legal run. If I got in my car at night then suddenly a car put the lights on and followed me I would be very worried and I don't do drugs .  Except ciggies and paracetamol , alcohol etc but nothing illegal.

[ubonjoe]

A post containing a personal attack on member has been removed. A repeat will result in a formal warning.

[duanebigsby]

Kerryd,

I won't quote you because your post was ridiculously long.

Long proven marijuana is not a gateway drug nor addictive. It's no worse than drinking.

[Rc2702]

The discussion of ganja just dilutes this topic. The guy in question had all kinds of drugs on hand. Some of the worst drugs there is and his customer Base was very likely foreigners. His demise may make some people realise it's not good to be mixed up with this and at the age his customers are likely at, they should have known better already. If he had been operating as vultures do and providing goods on tick  (credit) then the debts are now void too. Quit while your ahead?

[tandor]

10 hours ago, colinneil said:

Me 

..and ME.

[The Theory]

They were watching him to catch him on a right time perhaps. Big dealers report some smaller ones. By reporting smaller dealers they buy some insurance for own and cops will be rewarded as well for good working of course. 

By “the Theory” 

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, The Theory said:

They were watching him to catch him on a right time perhaps. Big dealers report some smaller ones. By reporting smaller dealers they buy some insurance for own and cops will be rewarded as well for good working of course. 

By “the Theory” 

It's the way around. Small dealers report the bigger ones. Ever heard of that before?

[The Theory]

2 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

It's the way around. Small dealers report the bigger ones. Ever heard of that before?

Those are just Hollywood movies. Not the reality. ?

[jenny2017]

4 minutes ago, The Theory said:

Those are just Hollywood movies. Not the reality. ?

That's in no way from a Hollywood movie. Cops are not much interested in small dealers, they want to have the big fish. And little pressure in form of a few years Bang Kwang helps a lot. That's an International phenomenal. In theory, it's not much different. Lol. 

Edited July 1, 2018 by jenny2017

[jenny2017]

10 minutes ago, The Theory said:

They were watching him to catch him on a right time perhaps. Big dealers report some smaller ones. By reporting smaller dealers they buy some insurance for own and cops will be rewarded as well for good working of course. 

By “the Theory” 

They've got his phone and I'm happy that I'm not one of his contacts. Just wait and see, it seems that some guys are a bit sweaty right now. Oh, the doorbell rings.....

[Rc2702]

7 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

They've got his phone and I'm happy that I'm not one of his contacts. Just wait and see, it seems that some guys are a bit sweaty right now. Oh, the doorbell rings.....

Very true. All they need is a swab to check for drugs and that's it. Your done.

[jenny2017]

Just now, Rc2702 said:

Very true. All they need is a swab to check for drugs and that's it. Your done.

Perhaps time for a few weeks holiday now? 

[Rc2702]

Just now, jenny2017 said:

Perhaps time for a few weeks holiday now? 

Just makes you wonder how many more there are. Parading round pretending to be good souls whilst leading 2nd lives preying on other folks.

[car720]

4 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Just makes you wonder how many more there are. Parading round pretending to be good souls whilst leading 2nd lives preying on other folks.

I have never said that I was good.

Great maybe but never good.  

[car720]

Hasn't anyone ever heard of a CHIVATO?

[Rc2702]

1 minute ago, car720 said:

Hasn't anyone ever heard of a CHIVATO?

Lick your bum bum down!

[car720]

1 minute ago, Rc2702 said:

Lick your bum bum down!

what the hell have you been smoking and where can I get some.

[Rc2702]

5 minutes ago, car720 said:

what the hell have you been smoking and where can I get some.

It was an answer for your question. Lyrics.

[lanng khao]

So selling hard drugs to people that destroys so many lives is ok for you? not to me.

Are you happy he's dead?

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[jenny2017]

49 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Just makes you wonder how many more there are. Parading round pretending to be good souls whilst leading 2nd lives preying on other folks.

Cokeheads in Isaan? That's special. 

[balo]

Yes we must stop the dealers. If you do not agree with that I can not help you. You're a lost case.