11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

According to Laura Kunssberg, all electronic gadgets are to be removed from all ministers upon arrival at Chequers. The PM cannot trust her own cabinet - madness!

But will there be a happy ending?

Never knowingly sane, this government...

 

Remainers out in force today. Posting all sorts of garbage.

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' Brexit means Brexit '' sword and resigns ?

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' No deal is better than a bad deal '' sword and is ousted ?

 

???

 

If I was a remainer I would be worried ??

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

I assume you meant round, not around. However, not a particularly good analogy; the earth is not round, it is an oblate spheroid, meaning that the distance from the earth's centre to sea level is roughly 21 kilometres greater at the equator than at the north and south poles.

 

35 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Remainers out in force today. Posting all sorts of garbage.

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' Brexit means Brexit '' sword and resigns ?

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' No deal is better than a bad deal '' sword and is ousted ?

 

???

 

If I was a remainer I would be worried ??

There you go, distraction:

 

The issue is the PM does not have a negotiating position agreed with her own cabinet.

 

This make or Break time for the Government’s Brexit shambles.

 

Absolutely nothing for Remain supporters to worry about.

Teresa's position is becoming untenable...

 

The "Gang" of hard line Brexeters are already holed in the Foreign Office holding a strategy meeting, (how to undermine the PM).

 

Teresa will today have to take decisive action of dealing with the hard liners, I do not see them forcing her out of office because she can , and probably will call a general election, my guess if she can not stop the mutiny today. by 6pm she will have announced her intentions for a general election, 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There you go, distraction:

 

The issue is the PM does not have a negotiating position agreed with her own cabinet.

 

This make or Break time for the Government’s Brexit shambles.

 

Absolutely nothing for Remain supporters to worry about.

 

I agree with much of this, for the reasons summed up very well in the following post:-

 

 

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Going back to the original headline:

 

"Put your cards on the table, EU makes last Brexit call to Britain"

 

The EU commission and negotiators reject out of hand every proposal put to them. They will continue to do this until the last knockings. 

They do this in the hope we will just give up and fall back into line.

They do this with confidence, knowing that Westminster is stuffed full of Remainers and that there is a concerted effort from MSM and billionaire globalists to scare the UK public.

 

Asking the UK to put it's cards on the table is a joke, and they are laughing into their expensive EU funded lunches.

 

 

Faisal Islam just reported that the PM has stated about today's meeting, "This is about agreeing an approach that delivers decisively on the verdict of the British people - an approach in the best interests of the UK and the EU, and crucially, one that commands the support of the public and parliament."

 

How can the support of the public be determined without a #peoplesvote?

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

Remainers out in force today. Posting all sorts of garbage.

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' Brexit means Brexit '' sword and resigns ?

 

Are they worried that today is the day that May the Remainer falls on her '' No deal is better than a bad deal '' sword and is ousted ?

 

???

 

If I was a remainer I would be worried ??

Oddly enough I'm less worried about the prospect of a hard no deal brexit.

 

Simply because I think it would be so disastrous, that it would quickly be reversed.

 

If you want brexit you need a plan - one that will work. We haven't got one yet.

 

 

 

 

 

After following these threads on Brexit for over two years and also on some of the national papers and from MPs and interviews it is becoming clear to me, that there seems to be a continuing trend and rhetoric from many remainers. I voted leave and would do again and again regardless.  It now seems that the following is emerging from many remainers.

 

We didn’t know what we voted for. Too hilarious to commemnt on.

Uneducated people voted leave. Those with a university degree, supposedly with more intelligence voted remain.

Old people who voted it shouldn’t count as it won’t affect them. Rubbish.

The democratic vote was advisory and doesn’t count. Another one to funny to provide a response.

Nobody was told leaving meant leaving the CU and SM. Everyone was told countless times.

The leave campaign was all lies. It could be argues project fear was too.

Big businesses support remain. Not all do but certainly those that are benefitting from the EU.

People who voted leave are racists and little Englanders. Doesn’t deserve a reply.

Leavers didn’t understand the complexities of Brexit. Wrong, we did. We just expected a leaver with some backbone to lead the exit and not be bullied by the EU and her own party.

We need a second vote. We tried for a vote for 40 plus years and were told there would be one vote only. I would be up for that let’s have another in 20 years. More than fair.

 

On TV programmes especially on the Bias BBC there seems to be desperation from the remainers, shouting down any leavers comments and coming up with some of the ludicrous statements above. Is it that dementia has set in with these people not knowing what was promised by voting in the referendum.

 

My last issue is what is it with the EU? Besides the odd one or two people it is difficult to defend with its bureaucratic, dictatorial, undemocratic dominating and bullying countries into submission. If one thing it has shown what the EU will do to prevent you from leaving. What a lovely organisation to be in! For me the most important thing is that the referendum, whoever you voted for, has highlighted just how the UK were incarcerated into the EU from Blair to Major. Even if TM ‘fudges’ it today which I expect it, the EU and the UK relationship will never ever be the same and I can’t see the UK people ever trusting the EU no matter what. If there was an economic crash because of the EU, do you honestly think British people will say, thanks we deserved that?

1 minute ago, Basil B said:

Teresa's position is becoming untenable...

 

The "Gang" of hard line Brexeters are already holed in the Foreign Office holding a strategy meeting, (how to undermine the PM).

 

Teresa will today have to take decisive action of dealing with the hard liners, I do not see them forcing her out of office because she can , and probably will call a general election, my guess if she can not stop the mutiny today. by 6pm she will have announced her intentions for a general election, 

That’s a likely outcome.

 

But take more, none of the hardline Brexiteers in the government ac want the PM’s job.

 

The accusation that Brexit is failing because the PM support Remain during the referendum is very useful to the hardline Brexiteers in He government who have a part to play in the government’s continuing Brexit failure.

 

What an utter shambles!

19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Faisal Islam just reported that the PM has stated about today's meeting, "This is about agreeing an approach that delivers decisively on the verdict of the British people - an approach in the best interests of the UK and the EU, and crucially, one that commands the support of the public and parliament."

 

How can the support of the public be determined without a #peoplesvote?

Brilliant.

 

Now give us all the benefit of your wisdom and tell us what approach is going to deliver decisively on the verdict of the British people, that will :

 

1. Be in the best interest of the UK and the EU ?

 

( An oxymoron if I ever seen one, the EU is only interested in one deal. The one that keeps the UK tied to Brussels, the ECJ and handing over £ Billions )

 

2. Commands the support of the public and Parliament ?

 

( This is not possible and nothing but a pipe dream )

 

Finally. Keep dreaming, there will be no peoples vote.

17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Faisal Islam just reported that the PM has stated about today's meeting, "This is about agreeing an approach that delivers decisively on the verdict of the British people - an approach in the best interests of the UK and the EU, and crucially, one that commands the support of the public and parliament."

 

How can the support of the public be determined without a #peoplesvote?

We had a peoples' vote (i.e. the referendum), and they the largest percentage of voters voted to leave.

 

Having said that, I do agree that those voters clearly cannot trust the govt. to deliver on this result, as the 'negotiations' ? have followed the eu 'line'....., and I suspect the 'final deal' will sell those voters down the river.

Just now, The Renegade said:

Brilliant.

 

Now give us all the benefit of your wisdom and tell us what approach is going to deliver decisively on the verdict of the British people, that will :

 

1. Be in the best interest of the UK and the EU ?

 

( An oxymoron if I ever seen one, the EU is only interested in one deal. The one that keeps the UK tied to Brussels, the ECJ and handing over £ Billions )

 

2. Commands the support of the public and Parliament ?

 

( This is not possible and nothing but a pipe dream )

 

Finally. Keep dreaming, there will be no peoples vote.

The comment was from the PM, not from me. You can flap all you like, hurl your thinly veiled insults as usual; the fact is that the PM stated that the objective of today's meeting is to come to a proposal that, "...commands the support of the public". So, with the public not having seen the proposal thus far, I merely question how she intends to fulfil that objective.

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

We had a peoples' vote (i.e. the referendum), and they the largest percentage of voters voted to leave.

 

Having said that, I do agree that those voters clearly cannot trust the govt. to deliver on this result, as the 'negotiations' ? have followed the eu 'line'....., and I suspect the 'final deal' will sell those voters down the river.

So why would she raise the prospect of a further plebiscite of sorts? I don't believe that she is so incompetent as to make such a statement, knowing that each word would be scrutinised, without having a plan that would see it through. After all, she was a remainer...

12 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The comment was from the PM, not from me.

That is quite funny coming from a remainer, who are very adapt at attacking the poster and not the comment or source.

 

But that is by the wayside. I asked you specifically

 

22 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Now give us all the benefit of your wisdom and tell us what approach is going to deliver decisively on the verdict of the British people, that will :

 

1. Be in the best interest of the UK and the EU ?

 

( An oxymoron if I ever seen one, the EU is only interested in one deal. The one that keeps the UK tied to Brussels, the ECJ and handing over £ Billions )

 

2. Commands the support of the public and Parliament ?

 

( This is not possible and nothing but a pipe dream )

 

Finally. Keep dreaming, there will be no peoples vote.

I was asking you, not the PM.

 

You remainers seem to think you have all the answers. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove it.

 

 

5 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

That is quite funny coming from a remainer, who are very adapt at attacking the poster and not the comment or source.

 

But that is by the wayside. I asked you specifically

 

I was asking you, not the PM.

 

You remainers seem to think you have all the answers. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove it.

 

 

Offering the opportunity to be distracted.

15 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

That is quite funny coming from a remainer, who are very adapt at attacking the poster and not the comment or source.

Is that broad brushed, or directed at me personally? It is unclear from your grammatic structure.

 

15 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

But that is by the wayside. I asked you specifically

 

40 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

Now give us all the benefit of your wisdom and tell us what approach is going to deliver decisively on the verdict of the British people, that will :

 

1. Be in the best interest of the UK and the EU ?

 

( An oxymoron if I ever seen one, the EU is only interested in one deal. The one that keeps the UK tied to Brussels, the ECJ and handing over £ Billions )

 

2. Commands the support of the public and Parliament ?

 

( This is not possible and nothing but a pipe dream )

 

Finally. Keep dreaming, there will be no peoples vote.

I was asking you, not the PM.

While I was commenting on the PM, someone who's words hold considerably more weight than mine, I shall indulge you with my thoughts.

 

1) Call off Brexit

2) Call off Brexit

 

 

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Offering the opportunity to be distracted.

I think some are failing to see their own point...

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Faisal Islam just reported that the PM has stated about today's meeting, "This is about agreeing an approach that delivers decisively on the verdict of the British people - an approach in the best interests of the UK and the EU, and crucially, one that commands the support of the public and parliament."

 

How can the support of the public be determined without a #peoplesvote?

A link would have been nice ?

 

So here is the BBC's link

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44728807

 

To quote the paragraph directly above your quoted paragraph

 

Quote

"We want a deal that allows us to deliver the benefits of Brexit - taking control of our borders, laws and money and by signing ambitious new trade deals with countries like the US, Australia and New Zealand.

Well that to me looks like a long kiss goodbye to any notion of staying in the SM or attached at the hip to the EU 

4 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

A link would have been nice ?

 

So here is the BBC's link

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44728807

 

To quote the paragraph directly above your quoted paragraph

 

Well that to me looks like a long kiss goodbye to any notion of staying in the SM or attached at the hip to the EU 

 

That's fine and well, but irrelevant to my post. I am interested in her next sentence, with her stated intention to seek a proposal that, "...commands the support of the public".

 

How does she intend to discern the level of public support? GE? People's vote? Mail-in?

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

How does she intend to discern the level of public support? GE? People's vote? Mail-in?

FOI request would get you the answer that you are looking for ?

 

Just a guess, but I think she might be leaning towards the 52% that voted to leave. This is backed up by

 

Quote

"We want a deal that allows us to deliver the benefits of Brexit - taking control of our borders, laws and money and by signing ambitious new trade deals with countries like the US, Australia and New Zealand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44728807

 

As none of this will be possible by staying attached at the hip to the EU.

15 minutes ago, The Renegade said:

........

 

Just a guess, but I think she might be leaning towards the 52% that voted to leave. This is backed up by

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44728807

 

As none of this will be possible by staying attached at the hip to the EU.

Much of those freedoms are mythical, even if we do leave the EU 

 

Read this thread

 

 

All this talk of ‘public support’.

 

The PM  an’t get the support of her own cabinet.

 

 

What an utter shambles!

Wouldn't it be great if our cabinet were meeting today to decide what's best for the future of the UK as a whole rather than each one working solely for what's best for them personally?

51 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

While I was commenting on the PM, someone who's words hold considerably more weight than mine, I shall indulge you with my thoughts.

 

1) Call off Brexit

2) Call off Brexit

I'm a little confused here RR, if Scotland are leaving the Union, and you do appear very confident on that, what difference will Brexit make to you?

Just now, vogie said:

I'm a little confused here RR, if Scotland are leaving the Union, and you do appear very confident on that, what difference will Brexit make to you?

Thank you for affording me the opportunity to dispel another fallacy - I want nothing but the best for the home nations as individual entities. That I want Scottish decisions made in Scotland does not mean that I do not want that rUK to prosper also. From a political perspective it is essential that our neighbours are economically strong and politically stable; from a people perspective, I think the impact of Brexit will negatively affect the population and I do not want that.

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

That I want Scottish decisions made in Scotland does not mean that I do not want that rUK to prosper also.

RR I have no problem with that if that's what the majority want and a few years ago that wasn't the case. It may change. However, if you want to join or stay in the EU decisions would be made in Brussels, as they are now tangled with thousands of bureaucratic wrappings, to ensure it is as difficult as possible to change, as we are having been seeing that.

 

I can understand the will of independence. That is what the UK is trying to do now. But you would then join an greater controlled organisations where you can't elect them out. Baffles me.

14 hours ago, aright said:

I made no reference to WW2, Volks supply chains or Tata or them owning LRJ.  Try rereading and understanding and putting more water with it.

 

 

 

So you didn't write this in response to my comment about your not understanding how supply chains work? 

 

"Didn't Volkwagen  clearly know something about diesel emissions violations but forgot to tell the general public.

Half a million vehicles recalled as I recall. So much for "they" clearly knowing"

 

I guess it was somebody elsle who wrote that. Did they hack into your account?

For those interested in Aright's thought processes, such as they are, go to post #627 where he brings up Volkswagen in regard to Land Rover/Jaguar.

1 hour ago, The Renegade said:

That is quite funny coming from a remainer, who are very adapt at attacking the poster and not the comment or source.

 

But that is by the wayside. I asked you specifically

 

I was asking you, not the PM.

 

You remainers seem to think you have all the answers. I'm giving you the opportunity to prove it.

 

 

It's obvious that the remainers answer would be to call off brexit. ?

 

It's been stated time and time again.  They ignore the likelihood of MPs in leave areas being voted out of office as a result.

 

I've said time and time again, the govt. is looking for a leave in name only result, that doesn't result in many of their MPs being voted out of office by their constituents.