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[rooster59]

Israeli forces kill two Palestinians in Gaza border protests - Gaza medics

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

 

A relative of Palestinian Mohammad Al-Hamayda, who was killed by Israeli forces during a protest at the Israel-Gaza border, reacts at a hospital in the southern Gaza Strip June 29, 2018. REUTERS/Ibraheem Abu Mustafa

 

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli forces shot and killed two Palestinians, one of them a 14-year-old boy, and wounded 415 others with live fire and tear gas during protests along the Gaza border on Friday, Gaza health officials said.

 

Gaza medical officials said the boy, Yasser Abu Al-Naja and Mohammad Al-Hamayda, 24, were hit by live bullets. They added that four other men wounded by live fire were in critical condition.

 

The Israeli military said in a statement that troops had used "large amounts of riot dispersal means". In some cases, when the non-lethal means proved ineffective, live fire was used "in accordance with the standard operating procedures".

 

It said thousands of Palestinians had "participated in extremely violent riots", hurling a grenade and rocks at troops and the border fence and burning tyres.

 

It said the reported death of the boy would be investigated and that legal action could be taken, if appropriate.

 

Gaza officials say Israeli troops have killed at least 135 people since the weekly protests began on March 30.

 

Palestinians say the protests are a popular outpouring of rage against Israel by refugees demanding the right to return to homes their families fled or were driven from on Israel's founding 70 years ago.

 

Israel says the demonstrations are organised by the Islamist group Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip and denies Israel's right to exist. Israel says Hamas has intentionally provoked the violence, a charge Hamas denies.

 

Tens of thousands took part when the protests were launched at several locations along the Gaza border but the number has dropped significantly in the past few weeks and only a few thousand have participated more recently.

 

Israel's deadly tactics have drawn international condemnation. But support has come from its main ally, the United States, which like Israel, has cast blame on Hamas.

 

Israel has accused Hamas of stoking the violence in an attempt to deflect domestic opinion from Gaza's energy shortages and faltering economy.

 

Israel maintains a naval blockade of Gaza and tight restrictions on the movement of people and goods at its land borders. Egypt has also kept its own Gaza frontier largely closed. Both countries cite security concerns for the measures, which have deepened economic hardship.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-30

 

 

[ezzra]

Quickly now, call for emergency meeting of the UNCHR, the International Criminal Court and whomever is the current righteous countries to condemn Israel, Again, 

but while doing that, take a quick look at Syria and other places where human right are being trampled and feel the hypocrisy, bigotry and bias hitting you in the face... 

[dexterm]

>>It said the reported death of the boy would be investigated and that legal action could be taken, if appropriate
...can anyone show a link to the results of Israeli investigations into their own atrocities including the recent murders of children running away, paraplegics, clearly identifiable medics and journalists? 

According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem less than 2% of reported cases result in any form of disciplinary action. So I am not holding my breath.

"B'Tselem found that it took four years from the time of the incident to the conclusion of processing the case. In the event that charges are ultimately laid, "this will happen long after the incident, when the witnesses' memory of events has grown dimmer and the evidence has disappeared", impeding the possibility of a fair trial."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/report-slams-israel-military-law-enforcement-system-160523090208551.html

 

Israel uses this whitewashing process in an attempt to keep Israeli government officials out of the dock in the Hague. They are the ones who ultimately endorse the shoot to kill to discourage others policy. 

[nobodysfriend]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Israeli forces shot and killed two Palestinians, one of them a 14-year-old boy, and wounded 415 others with live fire and tear gas during protests along the Gaza border on Friday, Gaza health officials said.

History repeating ...and repeating ...and repeating ...

No hope left that the violence will ever stop .

Just hate , sign of the times we are living in ...

[Expatthailover]

Sadly the world will sit idly by while israel goes about this extermination of 'enemies'

People carrying slingshots and stones met with a well trained military force armed with the latest weapons and all fully endorsed by the draft dodger whose actions exacerbated the whole sad affair

Edited June 30, 2018 by Expatthailover

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

And despite your best efforts at pretending to be a legal expert, relevant international bodies don't see things as you present them. If they did, then your usual fantasies about international legal action wouldn't be fantasies.

 

Notably, your complaints are never directed at the Palestinian side, no matter what. Apparently, Palestinian leadership implies  no accountability or responsibility whatsoever. No internal investigations, no actions against wrong doers and no owning up of policies is expected.

 

 

[Morch]

 

@Expatthailover

 

Sadly, posters will continue hitting their keyboards with nonsense posts, disregarding facts.

There is no "extermination". Palestinians and Israelis are enemies. The "slingshots and stones" bit gets tired with each ignored example of Hamas/Islamic Jihad attack. The faux complaints about arms not being "equal" is still a daft one. And Israel was supported by past US presidents as well, whether one likes to spin this as a Trump thing or not.

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

Sadly the world will sit idly by while israel goes about this extermination of 'enemies'

People carrying slingshots and stones met with a well trained military force armed with the latest weapons and all fully endorsed by the draft dodger whose actions exacerbated the whole sad affair

 

Hardly extermination is it? They shoot at those trying to do them arm. If you choose to use a sling shot or any weapon at a soldier you should expect some reaction.

 

You might want to consider the callousness of those who orchestrate such violence in the hope it will produce some martyrs for their cause.

[dexterm]

OP..

>>Palestinians say the protests are a popular outpouring of rage against Israel by refugees demanding the right to return to homes their families fled or were driven from on Israel's founding 70 years ago.

 

...a simple solution to end the violence. Israel should adhere to international laws and the Geneva Convention (whose specific laws ironically were formulated 70 years ago to prevent the suffering of the some of the Jewish refugee forebears of the IDF snipers!) and allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland.

 

It could be done in a gradual, orderly fully security vetted way with funding from the international community with help to resettle with Palestinian relatives or in new villages as close as possible to the homes and lands from which they were ethnically cleansed. Firstly those who were actually born in what is now Israel, and perhaps later some of their extended family. 

[Jonmarleesco]

'Israel says the demonstrations are organised by the Islamist group Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip and denies Israel's right to exist.'

 

Bo___cks! Right now, it's the Israelis denying Palestinians the right to exist. 

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, Jonmarleesco said:

'Israel says the demonstrations are organised by the Islamist group Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip and denies Israel's right to exist.'

 

Bo___cks! Right now, it's the Israelis denying Palestinians the right to exist. 

You misunderstood : Hamas say that Israel doesnt have a right to exist , it wasnt meant literally 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

@Chomper Higgot

 

What you can or cannot feel is hardly unrelated to your standing bias. Pretty much making the point there.

My only comment was to challenge ezzra’s whataboutary.

 

Oddly for all your comments, you let whataboutary and excuses for Israeli killings pass.

 

So please, your inference of bias, I’ll let that pass too

[dexterm]

26 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You misunderstood : Hamas say that Israel doesnt have a right to exist , it wasnt meant literally 

The usual mythology...

 

Hamas in 2017 accepted a Palestine based on 1967 borders. Ergo the rest is de facto Israel. But Hamas will not recognize the Jewish State of Israel while it remains based on the racist supremacist ideology of Zionism. And neither do I.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

 

The PLO in 1993 recognized Israel's right to exist.
"How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?
Netanyahu’s new 'Jewish state' mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

[sanemax]

3 hours ago, Expatthailover said:

Sadly the world will sit idly by while israel goes about this extermination of 'enemies'

People carrying slingshots and stones met with a well trained military force armed with the latest weapons and all fully endorsed by the draft dodger whose actions exacerbated the whole sad affair

I disagree , the World focuses on Israel and ignores the real atrocities going on in the World , like the Rohingas in Myanmar

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

I disagree , the World focuses on Israel and ignores the real atrocities going on in the World , like the Rohingas in Myanmar

I don't suppose when you are the parents of a 14 year old child shot through the head one pauses to consider the relative atrociousness of atrocities on a worldwide scale.

 

You are dehumanizing real Palestinian victims. We are all the same species.

Edited June 30, 2018 by dexterm

[Rimmer]

A rather nasty troll post has been removed

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

I disagree , the World focuses on Israel and ignores the real atrocities going on in the World , like the Rohingas in Myanmar

The ‘world’ certainly could have done more, could do more for the Rohingas but then what has that got to do with Israel/Palestine?

 

If the conflict in Myanmar had the same geopolitical implications as that of the Israel/Palestine conflict it would certainly get more attention.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, dexterm said:

OP..

>>Palestinians say the protests are a popular outpouring of rage against Israel by refugees demanding the right to return to homes their families fled or were driven from on Israel's founding 70 years ago.

 

...a simple solution to end the violence. Israel should adhere to international laws and the Geneva Convention (whose specific laws ironically were formulated 70 years ago to prevent the suffering of the some of the Jewish refugee forebears of the IDF snipers!) and allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland.

 

It could be done in a gradual, orderly fully security vetted way with funding from the international community with help to resettle with Palestinian relatives or in new villages as close as possible to the homes and lands from which they were ethnically cleansed. Firstly those who were actually born in what is now Israel, and perhaps later some of their extended family. 

 

Simple is as simple posts. As much as you like to ignore this, Israel is not obligated to let hostiles in. The supposed right of return is conditional upon peaceful intents and accepting Israel's sovereignty.

 

That you claim it could be done, doesn't make it so. More like your usual nonsense, which doesn't have a lot to do with real conditions.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Jonmarleesco said:

'Israel says the demonstrations are organised by the Islamist group Hamas that controls the Gaza Strip and denies Israel's right to exist.'

 

Bo___cks! Right now, it's the Israelis denying Palestinians the right to exist. 

 

There is no contradiction. Hamas/Islamic Jihad do deny Israel's right to exist - whether you like to acknowledge it or not doesn't change facts. Israeli positions on Palestinian sovereignty are a mixed bag - most amounting to a less than full sovereignty outcome. Not quite the same thing.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

My only comment was to challenge ezzra’s whataboutary.

 

Oddly for all your comments, you let whataboutary and excuses for Israeli killings pass.

 

So please, your inference of bias, I’ll let that pass too

 

Pointing out obvious standing bias is something that certain posters routinely object to, whether it applies to their own posts or international bodies. Nothing surprising about your comments, then.

 

Other than in your own reading, there wasn't any "excuse" offered in my posts.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, dexterm said:

The usual mythology...

 

Hamas in 2017 accepted a Palestine based on 1967 borders. Ergo the rest is de facto Israel. But Hamas will not recognize the Jewish State of Israel while it remains based on the racist supremacist ideology of Zionism. And neither do I.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

 

The PLO in 1993 recognized Israel's right to exist.
"How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?
Netanyahu’s new 'Jewish state' mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

 

More like your usual spins.

 

The "new" Hamas charter doesn't amount to recognizing Israel, or accepting it's legitimacy - your "ergo" nonsense notwithstanding. That you identify with Hamas is nothing new, guess the next post will be a self congratulating "I'm a great humanist" rubbish.

 

 

The PLO "recognition" of 1993 is another misleading claim you routinely bring up, and was debunked plenty of times. To sum, the so-called "recognition" (and related steps) were never fully gone through. More to the point, the sincerity or commitment implied was rejected by various Palestinian leaders. The "Jewish State" issue was something that was ought to have been included since the start, but wasn't. The reasons for Netanyahu's insistence are actually well founded (and directly relate to the first "recognition" not panning out quite as planned). Whether you like it or not, it does bear on the Islamic notions regarding land ownership and such. And, of course, Israel neither committed or was required to "recognize" Palestine, other than in your rants.

 

Either way, your second comment is mostly a deflection, as this topic deals with the Hamas.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Your usual emotional milking of tragedies for PR value notwithstanding - what responsible leadership pushes participation of children in violent protests?

Edited June 30, 2018 by Morch

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘world’ certainly could have done more, could do more for the Rohingas but then what has that got to do with Israel/Palestine?

 

If the conflict in Myanmar had the same geopolitical implications as that of the Israel/Palestine conflict it would certainly get more attention.

If Myanmar was a Jewish state and the Rohinga were trying to replace the Jewish state with an Islamic one , it certainly would have gotton more attention .

   Imagine the World outcry if Israel do what Myanmar did ,i.e systematically forcing all the Palestinians off the land into another Country , 600 000 of them

   What is the big difference between the two situations ?

Palestinans/Rohinga - Muslims

Myanmar/Israel - Buddhist / Jewish .

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘world’ certainly could have done more, could do more for the Rohingas but then what has that got to do with Israel/Palestine?

 

If the conflict in Myanmar had the same geopolitical implications as that of the Israel/Palestine conflict it would certainly get more attention.

 

More rubbish.

 

Replace Myanmar with Syria. Next door. Huge geopolitical implications. More casualties, more displaced people. Even the current week amounted to more (on both counts) than the current Gaza Episode. International reaction? Nada.

 

There's no shortage of examples. Only someone keen on not seeing the bias would miss it.

[crankshaft]

13 hours ago, dexterm said:

I don't suppose when you are the parents of a 14 year old child shot through the head one pauses to consider the relative atrociousness of atrocities on a worldwide scale.

 

You are dehumanizing real Palestinian victims. We are all the same species.

What kind of parent would allow their child to go to the border and protest...when they know there is the real possibility of violence there. 

[dexterm]

1 hour ago, crankshaft said:

What kind of parent would allow their child to go to the border and protest...when they know there is the real possibility of violence there. 

>>What kind of parent would allow their child to go to the border and protest
...you don't know that. But I suppose it's easier for a Zionist apologist to blame the victims than the sadistic well protected entrenched Israeli psychopath who actually pulled the trigger. 

 

But what we do know is that the supposedly most moral army in the world and supposedly the only democracy in the Middle East issues orders to single out protesters and execute them to discourage others "in accordance with the standard operating procedures" [OP]...whatever they are...normally live ammunition is used as a last resort when someone's life is threatened not as a dispersal technique.

 

So far these standard orders have killed almost 20 children, paraplegics, clearly identifiable medics and journalists, and over 15,000 injured, and not a scratch on any IDF soldier, and all with complete impunity.

[dexterm]

11 hours ago, sanemax said:

If Myanmar was a Jewish state and the Rohinga were trying to replace the Jewish state with an Islamic one , it certainly would have gotton more attention .

   Imagine the World outcry if Israel do what Myanmar did ,i.e systematically forcing all the Palestinians off the land into another Country , 600 000 of them

   What is the big difference between the two situations ?

Palestinans/Rohinga - Muslims

Myanmar/Israel - Buddhist / Jewish .

>>What is the big difference between the two situations ?
..the Rohingya form 4% of the population, albeit their ethnic cleansing is also a heinous injustice.

..Palestinians are the majority in Palestine who have been ethnically cleansed to create an artificial majority by the minority Jewish population and are being held in apartheid conditions prevented from returning to their homes.

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

Deflect all you like, but "don't know that" how? The Parents are somehow unaware that the protests are violent? That the IDF response is harsh? They are oblivious to the many others who were wounded or killed? For someone very determined to deny or ignore any measure of Palestinian accountability or responsibility (no matter on which level), routinely calling any poster airing opposing views an "apologist" is disingenuous and hollow.

 

Edited June 30, 2018 by Morch

[Morch]

 

@dexterm

 

And more of your usual inconsistent rubbish. If the Palestinians are a "majority", then the supposed "ethnic cleansing" doesn't seem to have been quite as dramatic as your post portray. Regardless of the spins you put on things - there is no obligation to uphold the supposed "right of return" without returnees doing so on peaceful terms and recognizing Israel's sovereignty. Despite your insistence on ignoring reality, countries are no expected to commit national suicide in order to accommodate your extreme views.

Edited July 1, 2018 by Morch