Ks45672 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, sanemax said: That just doesnt make sense at all . Navy SEALS could survive down there for a week( and a few weeks more) The boys are presumed to be on a ledge about half way into the 10km cave Seems unlikely that navy seals couldn't get that far in 5 days whether its flooded or not as they have oxygen lines tanks and lights etc that the boys didn't have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 hours ago, jenny2017 said: There might be some skeletons of people who've tried to reach the end. And they basically did reach the end. Yes, it's all so very tragic and upsetting, especially when it happened in a remote area hence the delay in the rescue attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEVUP Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Ks45672 said: The boys are presumed to be on a ledge about half way into the 10km cave Seems unlikely that navy seals couldn't get that far in 5 days whether its flooded or not as they have oxygen lines tanks and lights etc that the boys didn't have Yes they should be using oxygen lines not tanks, as the lines can also be used as a guidance back But I think the big thing is that was mentioned prior was the force of the current ( it was practically ripping their face masks off ) & it's all presuming where they are - was there anything stopping them from going the other way (maybe unlikely they did ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, BEVUP said: Yes they should be using oxygen lines not tanks, as the lines can also be used as a guidance back But I think the big thing is that was mentioned prior was the force of the current ( it was practically ripping their face masks off ) & it's all presuming where they are - was there anything stopping them from going the other way (maybe unlikely they did ) Wouldn't air lines that long be a big risk? One kink or snag and they're out of air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanny321 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, sanemax said: That just doesnt make sense at all . Navy SEALS could survive down there for a week( and a few weeks more) Doubtful, unless you're referring to actual seals utilised by the navy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: It’s 8 days and counting. All we hear from reports are the rescue operation is badly lacking leadership and coordination. There just too many Indian chiefs wanting their piece of limelight. The Interior Minister must step up and take charge. He is a trained soldier and he has organizational skill. Why is he so quiet. I don't know, but I suspect if he expected a positive outcome, then wild horses could not stop him from being closely associated with the rescue attempt. Perhaps the reverse also applies? Perhaps he doesn't wish to be associated with a project that is expected to fail? The Thai emphasis on face and face-saving might well be a factor? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madusa Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) I really feel sorry for those kids. And worse of all they entered the caves after a day of football game which means the blood sugar levels were low. Looking at the photos of those kids they look really skinny most of them. Very little body fat to burn during starvation. The low temperature at night will bring on hypothermia what a terrifying thought. I pray they will survive this ordeal. In view from what is known now about the complexity of the caves the government should from now on closed the entrance during the raining season. Strong iron gate and fence build to prevent entry into the caves. Edited June 30, 2018 by madusa add words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Just now, swanny321 said: Doubtful, unless you're referring to actual seals utilised by the navy? They are on dry land down there . They have water , so, its just 7 days without food , humans can survive without food for seven days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xylophone Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Anyone thought about finding if there are any main sources/streams/rivers that are flowing into the cave system, then damming them or diverting them so that they can control the inflows...……….even use explosives if necessary. One or two men in charge could have been setting these tasks of several teams and this would have stopped the previous reports of several teams going over the same ground, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, xylophone said: Anyone thought about finding if there are any main sources/streams/rivers that are flowing into the cave system, then damming them or diverting them so that they can control the inflows... Nope, they didnt think about that.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: It’s 8 days and counting. All we hear from reports are the rescue operation is badly lacking leadership and coordination. There just too many Indian chiefs wanting their piece of limelight. The Interior Minister must step up and take charge. He is a trained soldier and he has organizational skill. Why is he so quiet. Being a trained soldier does not always equate to organisational skills especially in Thailand. Most senior officers are so far removed from operational work that their skills have been lost. What is probably needed there is a fairly senior officer from an engineering regiment with another from the navy and some high ranking senior officer who still has the capability to listen and to take action. There also needs to be a fairly senior officer to liase with all other countries military and civilians. For the rest of them they can be used to support the real workers with food, hot drinks, clean warm dry clothing, some where to shower and sleep and for the rest, the best thing for them to do would be to bugger off out of the way and let the real workers do their job. 3 minutes ago, sanemax said: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 The news has quiet all day long. Mark my words. I think they have been found. Family members must be informed first. Is that why it's so quiet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sanemax said: Nope, they didnt think about that.................... And you know this how exactly? Are you on the site co-ordinating things, perhaps you have special information about the area or just want to add to your post count? Edited June 30, 2018 by billd766 edit for bad spelling after I had posted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 "He said there should have been better coordination ......" I like this phrase spoken by a Thai in Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 In my most solemn opinion, I don't think there is even a single survivor by now. RIP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, billd766 said: And you know this how exactly? Are you on the site co-ordinating things, perhaps you have special information about the area or just want to add to your post count? I think he was cynical towards an armchair detective, who thinks he is smarter than the people involved in the rescue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordLeo Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Let's hope survival reflex is stronger than their thainess. My neighbour just informed me people can live 3 months without food and 2 weeks without water.... sic sic sic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, sanemax said: They are on dry land down there . They have water , so, its just 7 days without food , humans can survive without food for seven days Its unlikely they all got to the ledge, bone dry When the rain started Even if they did, cave walls are usually wet and slimy Imagine having to sit on a cold wet stone for 8 days in the dark..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, rooster59 said: ‘Poor coordination in cave search leading to waste of time’ By The Nation Lerpong Suansang, head of a search team of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department A senior rescue official complained about the wastage of time caused by the lack of adequate coordination between several teams exploring shafts over Chiang Rai’s Tham Lung Cave. Lerpong Suansang, head of a search team of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department, said there were several teams searching for shafts that could offer a passage to chambers in the cave where it is believed a 13-member football team could have been trapped. Lerpong said several shafts had been searched that they only led to a dead-end but due to lack of coordination other teams also ended up searching the same shafts, assuming them to be new discoveries. He said there should have been better coordination so that all the rescue teams were aware of which shafts had been searched. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348999 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-06-30 Surely rescue co-ordination is the right of Government or its appointee/s. Why has this not happened? I can understand the concern of Lerpong Suansang, head of a search team of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Department. Edited June 30, 2018 by lvr181 Additional wording Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 minute ago, lvr181 said: Surely rescue co-ordination is the right of Government or its appointee/s. Why has this not happened? Language barriers probably..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, wvavin said: In my most solemn opinion, I don't think there is even a single survivor by now. RIP. I have to agree. I was afraid to say those 3 letters. But I will have too I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ks45672 said: Language barriers probably..... Whether South East Asia likes it or not English is the communication language of the world e.g. civil aviation. What about interpreters? Ks45672 I know you put this forward as a possibility but.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, stevenl said: As far as I recall that was after the initial emergency help, more like after care. I have a feeling it was some German or Dutch volunteers that were turned away - but I am not sure. For first responders to an emergency and those asked to help should not be required to apply for work permits. I would hope this is the case for this rescue operation. But, hate to say it, TIT. Edited June 30, 2018 by lvr181 Grammar correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, stevenl said: As far as I recall that was after the initial emergency help, more like after care. As far as I can recall they started enforcing that stuff 3-4 months after the tsunami and because people were turning up as volunteers with their golf clubs and going to chaing mai. People were starting to abuse the system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Latest news - They are so close to where the boys are thought to be. Come on, come on, come on, get through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: As far as I can recall they started enforcing that stuff 3-4 months after the tsunami and because people were turning up as volunteers with their golf clubs and going to chaing mai. People were starting to abuse the system. Damned "farang". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said: Latest news - They are so close to where the boys are thought to be. Come on, come on, come on, get through. I am sure every volunteer at the cave system is working their butts off in hopes of locating the missing. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 8 hours ago, NCC1701A said: "A video clip showing Pol Gen Srivara questioning two officials whether they had a permission to fly a drone and drill a hole... The deputy police chief yesterday clarified that he merely wanted everything to be done legally, claiming that there was issue about budgetary disbursement..." sicking isn't it? TIT. Perhaps he just wanted his day in the limelight and had not yet received it - childish petulance! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, lvr181 said: I am sure every volunteer at the cave system is working their butts off in hopes of locating the missing. Let's hope that they find them now. Time is not on their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky mike Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 If it doesn't improve the silence don't speak ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.png.3b3332cc2256ad0edbc2fe9404feeef0.png)
.thumb.png.76be522b3b43e7458166b9dac9e422ed.png)
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now