Deputy National Police Chief Srivara Ransibrahmanakul may be the instigator of this action? The coach could turn out to be the hero? Yes it was a dumb thing but at day 8 I was saying to my wife they were gone. Someone had kept there spirits going for 10 days and kept them alive. Don't count the chickens until they hatch.

Seems to me that the entrance should be  gated /guarded and during rainy season it should be closed to the public rather than a "danger" sign put up..  If it was gated and still open the 30 baht charge for the Thais to enter (30 x 13 = 390 baht) would have kept them safe as they would not have paid to enter.Any charges against the coach are ridiculous unless they quickly put one on the books for "stupidity" and if that were there it would take years to come to trail due to the backlog of cases!

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not saying blame him either, but you're splitting hairs.

Of course he led the trip. He's the adult. 

He wrote an apology letter already to the parents. If he wasn't their leader for the trip, why apologize? 

It's already been strongly reported that there had been numerous cave trips before, but NEVER in the RAINY season. 

 

 

"Of course he led the trip. He's the adult. " How can you possibly write that Rubbish. Was he standing at the front of the group with a flag saying 'follow me'?

 

You, nobody yet knows the lead up to this event. 

 

I respect a lot of the things you write but not this, please think again.

 

Of course he feels some quilt, quite natural, but unfair.

 

And why don't you mention the report on one of the threads were most / all of the parents individually commented that they don't blame the coach at all and they respect him.

 

 

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by scorecard

4 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Judgement has already been passed by the Thai people, the only ones that matter. The vast majority of Thais have nothing but praise, gratitude and are kindly disposed towards this young coach.  My wife tells me a "famous and wealthy" Thai person has very publicly made an offer to adopt this orphaned coach and give him whatever he needs over the course of his life. Farangs once again underestimating  the huge collective heart of Thai people. There's a reason that "jai" figures so prominantly as a descriptor in Thai language.

The foreign media has lapped up this generosity of spirit, and has reported on both the coach's letter of apology and the parents response to it. These sort of details portray the Thai people in the best possible light in the eyes of the world, everywhere people have been touched. Any stuffed shirt who insists on spoiling this feelgood story and wants to haul him over the coals is going to get more than they bargained for. 

16 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"Of course he led the trip. He's the adult. " How can you possibly write that Rubbish. Was he standing at the front of the group with a flag saying 'follow me'?

 

You, nobody yet knows the lead up to this event. 

 

I respect a lot of the things you write but not this, please think again.

 

Of course he feels some quilt, quite natural, but unfair.

 

And why don't you mention the report on one of the threads were most / all of the parents individually commented that they don't blame the coach at all and they respect him.

 

 

I have commented before that the parents don't blame him. I don't expect you to have read all my posts on all threads, but on the other hand, your posts are getting to be personally abusive towards me and that's not a game I wish to further engage in with you.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I'm not saying blame him either, but you're splitting hairs.

Of course he led the trip. He's the adult. 

He wrote an apology letter already to the parents. If he wasn't their leader for the trip, why apologize? 

It's already been strongly reported that there had been numerous cave trips before, but NEVER in the RAINY season. 

 

The question should be who is liable for public safety, The landowner? Is it public property? Who put up the sign indicating it was open till july 1? Had there been safe guards in place by the government this would never had occurred. About time LOS flips the calendar from 1918 to 2018. These are the questions that should be ask rather than if a coach should be charged for not breaking the law. Better headline would be " Parents file suit against municipality for negligence and public endangerment"

Just now, Jingthing said:

I have commented before that the parents don't blame him. I don't expect you to have read all my posts on all threads, but on the other hand, your posts are getting to be personally abusive towards me and that's not a game I wish to further engage in with you.

No "personal abuse" there .

Stop playing the victim 

I have posted multiple times on multiple threads that he shouldn't be charged with anything. But I also think it's obvious he led the group and that he should have known better than to do that during rainy season. Good people make mistakes. All people make mistakes. 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I have commented before that the parents don't blame him. I don't expect you to have read all my posts on all threads, but on the other hand, your posts are getting to be personally abusive towards me and that's not a game I wish to further engage in with you.

'Personally abusive towards me and that's not a game I wish to further engage in with you.?

 

You wrote the words and I commented, you expect others to accept what you write, that works 2 ways.

 

Did you read my words about respecting a lot of the things you write.

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I have posted multiple times on multiple threads that he shouldn't be charged with anything. But I also think it's obvious he led the group and that he should have known better than to do that during rainy season. Good people make mistakes. All people make mistakes. 

 

"But I also think it's obvious he led the group ...."

 

Are you sure that's true?

 

Is it a fact that he 'led' them into the cave?

 

Perhaps he arrived after some/all of them had already gone into the cave?

 

10 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

The foreign media has lapped up this generosity of spirit, and has reported on both the coach's letter of apology and the parents response to it. These sort of details portray the Thai people in the best possible light in the eyes of the world, everywhere people have been touched. Any stuffed shirt who insists on spoiling this feelgood story and wants to haul him over the coals is going to get more than they bargained for. 

I vote to sentence him to 5 days in Moscow along with the a pack of Wild Boars forced to take a victory lap and made to sit in the FIFA VIP skybox to watch the final. The seems to be just punishment.

5 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

The question should be who is liable for public safety, The landowner? Is it public property? Who put up the sign indicating it was open till july 1? Had there been safe guards in place by the government this would never had occurred. About time LOS flips the calendar from 1918 to 2018. These are the questions that should be ask rather than if a coach should be charged for not breaking the law. Better headline would be " Parents file suit against municipality for negligence and public endangerment"

Who can we blame ?

Whos fault was it ?

Who did wrong ?

Who can we prosecute ?

   It was an unfortunate occurrence , these things happen , no need to blame anyone

6 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

I vote to sentence him to 5 days in Moscow along with the a pack of Wild Boars forced to take a victory lap and made to sit in the FIFA VIP skybox to watch the final. The seems to be just punishment.

That would be a Hollywood ending but based on the timing, it doesn't seem very likely.

 

Also, not to forget, four boys that are reportedly the least strong of the group and the assistant coach still face a challenging and risky rescue.

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by Jingthing

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2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"But I also think it's obvious he led the group ...."

 

Are you sure that's true?

 

Is it a fact that he 'led' them into the cave?

 

Perhaps he arrived after some/all of them had already gone into the cave?

 

Or even more likely the kids were going alone and he felt it would be better if he went along to make sure they stayed together. If that's the case it was good thinking. Thinking it's more likely the kids originated the idea but we just don't know yet. Only thing we can 100% agree is it is better that he was there than if he was not.

The media reporting has been very consistent saying he led them in. I thought that writing the apology letter gave weight to that as well. Let him and the rest of the boys be rescued first and worry later about finding out any further details about how this group got into that awful mess in the first place.

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by Jingthing

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The media reporting has been very consistent saying he led them in. I thought that writing the apology letter gave weight to that as well. Let him and the rest of the boys be rescued first and worry later about finding out any further details about how this group got into that awful mess in the first place.

Thankfully it will be the Thai who will judge him on his merits  and they do seem to have laid the matter to rest.

At least for now,anyway.

This topic is like beating Debbie the Dead Dinosaur.

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by Odysseus123

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That would be a Hollywood ending but based on the timing, it doesn't seem very likely.

Lighten up, those kids didn't go to the moon. If they are fit put 'em on a plane with their parents and let them stand in the middle of the field. Talking about a chance to bring the world together. As long as the coach goes along they will be OK!

5 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

I vote to sentence him to 5 days in Moscow along with the a pack of Wild Boars forced to take a victory lap and made to sit in the FIFA VIP skybox to watch the final. The seems to be just punishment.

Quite agree. This may raise another thorny issue however... the world media has equally lapped up the story of FIFAs invitation to the final on Sunday. It's a huge story - a kids football team, who live for football, trapped in a life or death situation, getting a written VIP invitation from the FIFA president, all rescued in time (fingers crossed for the last five). What's going to happen when questions are asked why they can't go, due to their not having passports and possibly not even Thai citizenship in some cases? The multilingual boy who was able to communicate with the English divers is one likely example. This could really throw the spotlight on how underprivileged the majority of people in this country really are. 

5 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"But I also think it's obvious he led the group ...."

 

Are you sure that's true?

 

Is it a fact that he 'led' them into the cave?

 

Perhaps he arrived after some/all of them had already gone into the cave?

 

At least he kept the group all together and made the best of the situation until rescue 

 

 

Lucky no boys tried to swim for help etc

3 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Thankfully it will be the Thai who will judge him on his merits  and they do seem to have laid the matter to rest.

At least for now.

Get freaking real people. There's going to be no judge, no jury because there WAS NO CRIME COMMITED. What is so hard to understand. Now I guess it possible the parents could file suit but that seems very unlikely. What is likely is these 13 individuals are looking at in excess of 400M baht a piece in rights to their story.

On 7/3/2018 at 10:28 AM, Eric Loh said:

Charge the Forest Department for not putting sufficient warning signs.

A physical barricade should have been installed along with the sign(s)!  Signs are everywhere and how many people heed them or, in fact even read them?

6 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Quite agree. This may raise another thorny issue however... the world media has equally lapped up the story of FIFAs invitation to the final on Sunday. It's a huge story - a kids football team, who live for football, trapped in a life or death situation, getting a written VIP invitation from the FIFA president, all rescued in time (fingers crossed for the last five). What's going to happen when questions are asked why they can't go, due to their not having passports and possibly not even Thai citizenship in some cases? The multilingual boy who was able to communicate with the English divers is one likely example. This could really throw the spotlight on how underprivileged the majority of people in this country really are. 

Putin will waive that

Just now, JAZZDOG said:

Putin will waive that

And send his personal plane

11 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

Get freaking real people. There's going to be no judge, no jury because there WAS NO CRIME COMMITED. What is so hard to understand. Now I guess it possible the parents could file suit but that seems very unlikely. What is likely is these 13 individuals are looking at in excess of 400M baht a piece in rights to their story.

Why did you quote me?

I said the same thing but had no cause to use capitals or to tell people "to get...real"

Have a good day.

 

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by Odysseus123

33 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Who can we blame ?

Whos fault was it ?

Who did wrong ?

Who can we prosecute ?

   It was an unfortunate occurrence , these things happen , no need to blame anyone

Absolutely wrong, public safety was broken, some entity or individual in charge of that property should be found liable and made an example. In developed countries you fail to put a wall/fence around your pool and a kid drowns you got serious problems. If DOT screws up signage on a freeway resulting in death the government pays millions in damages. The problem here is too few are held accountable, enforcement is a joke and many die needlessly. Your attitude insures the status quo.

11 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Why did you quote me?

I said the same thing but had no cause to use capitals or to tell people "to get...real"

Have a good day.

 

Should have used capitals, some people here are a bit slow. No harm just clarifying your statement.

pura vida

15 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

Putin will waive that

I'd love to see it, as would many people who've been riveted to their screens worldwide. Even if Russia visas were waived though, I think some (including the English speaking boy) are from hilltribes, and effectively stateless and paperless. It could highlight some very awkward issues.

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The media reporting has been very consistent saying he led them in. I thought that writing the apology letter gave weight to that as well. Let him and the rest of the boys be rescued first and worry later about finding out any further details about how this group got into that awful mess in the first place.

"The media reporting has been very consistent saying he led them in. I thought that writing the apology letter gave weight to that as well. "

 

I haven't noted the media reporting consistently....

 

The media today, at large, lack ethics, manic to be the first with a comment / any comment,  and often just make up words / phrases that sound spectacular, will get noticed, etc. but without facts. Haven't you noticed that?

 

Do you believe everything you read?

 

Is fake news a reality? Yes. 

 

His apology - well here's another possibility, the young coach didn't actual 'lead' them into the cave but started to think 'people will think I'm the leader so I'm to blame' and this keeps going through his head and he convinces himself (unfairly) that he's to blame, so he tried to relieve this by apologizing.

 

Just maybe?

 

Edited July 9, 20187 yr by scorecard

2 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

Should have used capitals, some people here are a bit slow. No harm just clarifying your statement.

pura vida

Actually you stated that you hoped a Thai judge would be involved. My reply was based on the fact no law was broken hence no need for a judge. Now if stupid was a crime you may have a valid point.