6 hours ago, smedly said:

Agree but it is hardly the right time for that sort of talk 

 

 

why not the right time to consider it? they are alive and well and being cared. criminal negligence vs reckless endangerment. maybe some lawyers on the forum can think of more?

 

the question is given the standard lack of awareness, consequences, reasoning out things there may be no charges ?

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Coach Faces Charges

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

chief of Mae Sai Police Station, declined to confirm or rule out charges of negligence against Ekapol “Aek” Chanthawong

 

A rather loose use of the term 'face charges'.

5 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I suspect he may well turn out to be the hero who kept a level head and made sure the boys kept theirs too. When they were stuck, he took them to higher ground and they are all alive. On their own, the boys might have tried something foolish. They had been there before without incident, so I feel, especially since they are not even out yet, that such talk is absolutely uncalled for. The Press should stop such rot.

I agree totally. If it wasn't for him, the outcome might have been very different.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by geronimo

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Charge the Forest Department for not putting sufficient warning signs.

and the govt who should be in charge of "everything" including how you have to  think

The cops wanting to be part of the action and a chance of a photo shoot. Pathetic.

maybe going to a soccer camp or game together would have been a better plan.  A message needs to be sent, even though there was no ill will.  You must be very careful supervising minors.  He could have been charged even for leading paying adults....a group of kids under 16?  that is an aggravating circumstance.

16 minutes ago, geronimo said:

I agree totally. If it wasn't for him, the outcome might have been very different.

True if not for him they would all be at home safe and sound.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by Orton Rd

This could be a delicate situation. We assume he gets full credit for helping the boys survive. It's a fair assumption being the only adult, but we don't know that yet. It's entirely possible some of the older boys played critical roles as well. Also to make him a great hero seems wrong as he does have at least SOME responsibility for causing the crisis. 

Like that truly heroic immigrant in France that recently saved a child ... wouldn't be such a hero if he was the one that put the child in danger in the first place!

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by Jingthing

True if not for him they would all be at home safe and sound.

Or some other guy would have taken his place with a totally different outcome.


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1 hour ago, geronimo said:

I agree totally. If it wasn't for him, the outcome might have been very different.

 

If it wasn't for him they wouldn't have been put in danger. It's the rainy season, flash floods occur in caves, let's go into the cave. What could possibly go wrong?

On 7/3/2018 at 12:22 PM, Orton Rd said:

What about signs warning about using your brain and not going in when the rainy season is here

 

Thanks to the idiot who took 12 kids in flip flops there, he should face charges and man slaughter if anyone dies

Typical response not from just Thailand but the world over

WHO CAN WE BLAME ??? Not how can we fix the problem

the poor guy and the kids are not even out yet and already you want to crucify the coach, who gives his time at no charge to entertaining the children of others

As mentioned earlier the kids probably would not be alive if it wasn't for the coach

Back off and give the guy a break 

I seriously don't think he's going to face any legal charges. But on the other hand I can't imagine any parents letting him lead any groups of boys into any caves again! Maybe I'm wrong about that though ... 

 

8 hours ago, steve73 said:

Police said, "..will look into.." and "..could.." face charges....ie. uncertainty.

 

But the headline states this as "Coach Faces Charges..."...ie. certainty.

 

It really annoys me how the press exaggerate almost everything just to make it all more dramatic.

 

I agree that now is not yet the right time - let's get them all safely out first.

 

 

Exactly. The Kaosod news title is wrong.

 

After they "look into" it, hard to see what charges they could bring against him given that the cave was officially open at the time.

 

I expect public opinion will play a role and that may be shaped by what is learned about the details of their time in the cave, how they got to dry ground etc.

 

As for me, I can't imagine a worse punishment than 10 days in a dark cave with no food and 12 hungry boys, unsure if or when help would arrive and knowing it was my responsibility.

 

Many years ago I was responsible for bringing a group of Cambodian health officials  (and a hapless Thai driver!) into an area where we got taken hostage  -- not the intention, obviously, and there were compelling reasons for the trip but still, it happened.  We spent only 1 night detained and managed to get away the very next morning but that one night was unforgettably awful. The weight of it on me was undescribable. This guy has had 10 times that....

Can't have a truly civilized society unless more and more people are thrown into jail.  Let's see everyone get to safety before the morally righteous switch the rhetoric to 'throw him in jail' mode.

1 hour ago, GTgrizzly said:

Typical response not from just Thailand but the world over

WHO CAN WE BLAME ??? Not how can we fix the problem

the poor guy and the kids are not even out yet and already you want to crucify the coach, who gives his time at no charge to entertaining the children of others

As mentioned earlier the kids probably would not be alive if it wasn't for the coach

Back off and give the guy a break 

 

Who is to blame if not the coach? No-one should take responsibility for his reckless behaviour? If you are in charge of kids you need a sense of responsibility. He showed none by taking them into danger. If it wasn't for the coach they would not have been put in peril with their lives scarred forever.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by Bangkok Barry

7 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Now that the kids are found, let's find a scapegoat. Gotta love media.....

But without the media we would all be left in the dark . I mean the mental dark not the .................you know what I mean !

It may have been foolish to bring them in, it certainly proved to be a massive mistake, but there was clearly no ill intention and probably no law would apply anyway.

 

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The sign says July to November. They should look into themselves and see if their failure to warn to public with their crappy misleading warning might be malfeasance. 

9 hours ago, jaltsc said:

"...coach of a youth football team could face legal action for leading them into a cave complex where they were stranded 10 days."

And he should, along with any official who had previous knowledge that the youths were being led into a cave by someone who had no training in caving and yet was treated as an "expert" due to his status as a coach. 

Unfortunately, it happens all to often that no one questions someone's qualifications due to that person's standing in the community. It's the same old losing face trumps safety. Fortunately, this fiasco did not turn into a fatal ending. However, there is no guarantee that someone else will not make a bone headed move like this in the future and the outcome will not by as fortunate as this one. 

Give it a rest, you imbecile.

The guy spends his own free time making these kid's lives more interesting and enjoyable, at the same time learning new stuff OUT OF SCHOOL HOURS. The guy is an inspiration to a lot of other teachers and I hope he gets honoured not charged.

 

9 hours ago, Get Real said:

I sincerely hope they forget that. This guy is a hero! He just did as several other times, and took the boys for somthing fun to do. Nobody could even imagine that such an incident would happen.
I do hope that the parents of the children will stand up behind their coach and tell the world about the great man he is.

Exactly. Thank you.

Think of the tourists. 

Thousands of tourists will flock to that cave for many years to come, to see where the mooba boys and their coach were found. 

Just mention more tourists and he'll get a medal. 

I read somewhere that you can only explore in these caves between November and June.

 

They went in there in June. Rains started early, just bad luck.

10 hours ago, smedly said:

Agree but it is hardly the right time for that sort of talk 

I don't agree that he should be charged, but it's definitely not the right time to be casting blame.

Error of judgement, but that happens every day with fatal results on the roads...…….

 

Apparently the coach had taken the team in several times before, so perhaps the people to blame are the authorities that didn't close the caves due to possibility of flooding. Let's not jump to blaming the small fry and letting the big fish off.

Nobody knows anything yet about who, what, why etc., no need for talk of a charge. These boys have all endured worse than many can imagine, i'm sure they'll be very well treated when they recover fully, coach included. I hope that someone brings them to a Champions league game or something of that ilk.

Should lock up the big mouth cop would said all the boys should be sent to jail once they are out of the cave because they cost xxxxxx amount of baht. This cop is a big mouth and has many times stepped over the line. No one touches him because of his last name.

I didn't hear the kids yell "farang" one time, in the video...might be a bad sign.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by moontang

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

Exactly. The Kaosod news title is wrong.

 

After they "look into" it, hard to see what charges they could bring against him given that the cave was officially open at the time.

 

I expect public opinion will play a role and that may be shaped by what is learned about the details of their time in the cave, how they got to dry ground etc.

 

As for me, I can't imagine a worse punishment than 10 days in a dark cave with no food and 12 hungry boys, unsure if or when help would arrive and knowing it was my responsibility.

 

Many years ago I was responsible for bringing a group of Cambodian health officials  (and a hapless Thai driver!) into an area where we got taken hostage  -- not the intention, obviously, and there were compelling reasons for the trip but still, it happened.  We spent only 1 night detained and managed to get away the very next morning but that one night was unforgettably awful. The weight of it on me was undescribable. This guy has had 10 times that....

"Wrong" is not even close, it's purposely misleading and manipulative; for a "journalist" to ask if they are looking to lay charges, get a “I decline to answer this issue for now,”  for an answer and then turn it into "Coach Faces Charges For Leading Boys Into Tham Luang Cave". Itgoes well beyond a slip up or poor communication skills, it's a deliberate act of misinformation.

This type of "journalism" is cancerous, it eats a society from the inside just to squeeze a few more clicks from insta-rage online mobs that don't read past a headline. It's shit stirring plain and simple and it grinds my gears to see people lap it up time and time again.

Coach likely to have limited education and definitely won't know about thinking for himself in the way we would. The kids also would not know or see the dangers . Actually think that might have helped them to seemingly be In such good shape . All said and done the sign said it's okay in June and June they entered . Back luck ,yes ,bad education levels for sure but you blame the coach is totally unfair . And silly as clearly the coach held it all together . 

Keystones cops chiming in 

prisons are full of uneducated people, with no ill will.  What if it was a foreign teacher/coach?

He will face no charges. It would be like me facing charges for leading my kids across the road and they get hit by a car  Unintential.