2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It may have been foolish to bring them in, it certainly proved to be a massive mistake, but there was clearly no ill intention and probably no law would apply anyway.

 

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Duty of care as a coach. Utter stupidity.

12 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Charge the Forest Department for not putting sufficient warning signs.

Rainy season

Cave goes down

 

Don't need a warning sign to work out the obvious.

 

 

11 hours ago, Get Real said:

I sincerely hope they forget that. This guy is a hero! He just did as several other times, and took the boys for somthing fun to do. Nobody could even imagine that such an incident would happen.
I do hope that the parents of the children will stand up behind their coach and tell the world about the great man he is.

Nonsense. The guy is a fool.

12 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Nonsense. The guy is a fool.

He is a 25 year old that took the kids on an adventure like hundreds of people do yearly His problem is people judge him on this while he is still under ground battling suvival with the kids he saved by taking them to a safe high ground. He took them in like anyone would. He saved them unlike most could. 10 days in the dark with no food and they are stl vocal to the divers. What a soccer team!!! World cup standard.

 

I know pommies that go 1 day without food and they are crying.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by djjamie

19 minutes ago, djjamie said:

He is a 25 year old that took the kids on an adventure like hundreds of people do yearly His problem is people judge him on this while he is still under ground battling suvival with the kids he saved by taking them to a safe high ground. He took them in like anyone would. He saved them unlike most could. 10 days in the dark with no food and they are stl vocal to the divers. What a soccer team!!! World cup standard.

 

I know pommies that go 1 day without food and they are crying.

 

 

I was about to give you a 'like' for that post........ until I saw your final racist remark.

Edited July 3, 20188 yr by Jip99

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

I was about to give you a 'like' for that post........ until I saw your final racist remark.

Ditto.

Even though Thaivisa board will be alive with the sound of "Coach's in the right/wrong?" debate for months to come - overflowing like a sceptic tank with soft and hard matters (ie moral indignation mixed with personal/nationality bashing) flushed out in equal measure from both sides - at the end of the day politics will win over morality in the guy's favor by these points:

 

- a perfect Hollywood ending: death-defying cliffhanger finished by survival with no children lives/limbs lost, against terrifying odds. Leadership and unity prevail. Jubilation to families and nation. Global solidarity. Proof that Buddha exists...What more can a Thai ask for? 

 

- an "acceptable" cause: quotch took the kids inside the cave to pray to the football gods. Not only acceptable but very likely "making sense" to a populace that fervently believe in prayer. 

 

- a huge publicity boom: This incident puts Chiang Rai on the map. The caver/explorer/new-age communities worldwide plus 500 millions of passport-holder Chinese are gonna sit up and grab their spelunking gears. I myself have gone to the province a couple of times for family matters, didn't think much of the place. But after this, next time someone gives a holler, you betcha I'm gonna be there and Cave of Sleeping Beauty and Pattaya Beach will be first and second on my to-visit list. So why risk adding any unpleasantness (of possible retribution) to the tale?

 

In the Western world where I come from a parent, let alone a coach, can face jailtime for endangering the life of a child.  But this is Thailand, quotch will be honored as hero and beyond whether us farangs like it or not. In the same news channels as of last week when a few workers got injured from being electrocuted then later pronounced as having mild stomach ailment, any suggestions of criminal charges against the coach will be pumped out faster than flood waters from the caves.

5 hours ago, Justfine said:

Duty of care as a coach. Utter stupidity.

His duty is to be an inspiration to the children and his team. That is what he has tried to do all the time. What is very stupid in this case, is comments like you are leaving.

 

5 hours ago, Justfine said:

Rainy season

Cave goes down

 

Don't need a warning sign to work out the obvious.

 

 

No cave has been going down, it became heavily flooded due to heavy rain and flash flood.

However, that is not relevant here. What is relevant is why you didn´t go out and tell everybody that the reason why they not come out for the first 2 days, was that the cave was flooded or broke before the team went in or you heard any news of it. I mean, well, it was so obvious to you, right?

 

5 hours ago, Justfine said:

Nonsense. The guy is a fool.

I will make you a riddle on this one: I just guess we do not have to explain who is the fool here, and it´s not the coach?

20 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Charge the Forest Department for not putting sufficient warning signs.

This sign is right at the entrance to the cave.

2 hours ago, Get Real said:

His duty is to be an inspiration to the children and his team. That is what he has tried to do all the time. What is very stupid in this case, is comments like you are leaving.

 

No cave has been going down, it became heavily flooded due to heavy rain and flash flood.

However, that is not relevant here. What is relevant is why you didn´t go out and tell everybody that the reason why they not come out for the first 2 days, was that the cave was flooded or broke before the team went in or you heard any news of it. I mean, well, it was so obvious to you, right?

 

I will make you a riddle on this one: I just guess we do not have to explain who is the fool here, and it´s not the coach?

The cave goes down under ground. Utter stupidity.

 

Your comments are nonsense. He caused the problem.

"No cave has been going down"

 

Obviously you have never been in a cave. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

This sign is right at the entrance to the cave.

Tell that to "Get Real". His comments are not real 

7 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I was about to give you a 'like' for that post........ until I saw your final racist remark.

what  "delicate"  bunch you are

"No cave has been going down, it became heavily flooded due to heavy rain and flash flood.

However, that is not relevant here."

 

 

It's the most relevant thing. Some caves flood, some don't.

 

Learn something about caves before embarrassing yourself.

 

 

Edited July 4, 20188 yr by Justfine

5 hours ago, smo said:

Even though Thaivisa board will be alive with the sound of "Coach's in the right/wrong?" debate for months to come - overflowing like a sceptic tank with soft and hard matters (ie moral indignation mixed with personal/nationality bashing) flushed out in equal measure from both sides - at the end of the day politics will win over morality in the guy's favor by these points:

 

- a perfect Hollywood ending: death-defying cliffhanger finished by survival with no children lives/limbs lost, against terrifying odds. Leadership and unity prevail. Jubilation to families and nation. Global solidarity. Proof that Buddha exists...What more can a Thai ask for? 

 

- an "acceptable" cause: quotch took the kids inside the cave to pray to the football gods. Not only acceptable but very likely "making sense" to a populace that fervently believe in prayer. 

 

- a huge publicity boom: This incident puts Chiang Rai on the map. The caver/explorer/new-age communities worldwide plus 500 millions of passport-holder Chinese are gonna sit up and grab their spelunking gears. I myself have gone to the province a couple of times for family matters, didn't think much of the place. But after this, next time someone gives a holler, you betcha I'm gonna be there and Cave of Sleeping Beauty and Pattaya Beach will be first and second on my to-visit list. So why risk adding any unpleasantness (of possible retribution) to the tale?

 

In the Western world where I come from a parent, let alone a coach, can face jailtime for endangering the life of a child.  But this is Thailand, quotch will be honored as hero and beyond whether us farangs like it or not. In the same news channels as of last week when a few workers got injured from being electrocuted then later pronounced as having mild stomach ailment, any suggestions of criminal charges against the coach will be pumped out faster than flood waters from the caves.

Im personally enjoying the vomit inducing "Monk in the purple  hat story of 1or2  days  all will be fine" BS and the eagerness of the  Thais to lap up this crap, sure the funds  will flow into that temple now from the gullible.

Just now, BritManToo said:

This sign is right at the entrance to the cave.

But they entered the cave in June, not July.

Apparently the coach is at present the weakest of all of the group due to giving his rations to the kids.

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

But they entered the cave in June, not July.

Apparently the coach is at present the weakest of all of the group due to giving his rations to the kids.

Thai logic. July 1 dangerous. Last week of June safe.

 

 

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I was about to give you a 'like' for that post........ until I saw your final racist remark.

He's only winding sensitive pommies like you and me up. Be generous of spirit and give him a like. The poor man is from a land that can't fully pronounce English words.

afternoon becomes arvo

biscuit becomes biccy

You can work out how they say chocolate biscuit- choccy biccy !

Sad innit? The language of children.

 

 

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

He's only winding sensitive pommies like you and me up. Be generous of spirit and give him a like. The poor man is from a land that can't fully pronounce English words.

afternoon becomes arvo

biscuit becomes biccy

You can work out how they say chocolate biscuit- choccy biccy !

Sad innit? The language of children.

 

 

Innit is an adult word?

 

Brave poms found these 13 Thai fools. 

30 minutes ago, kannot said:

what  "delicate"  bunch you are

Yeah, I'm a pom and I gave him a like.

2 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Innit is an adult word?

 

Brave poms found these 13 Thai fools. 

Yes, it is:

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/innit

 

No, they weren't fools - as we don't know the full story.

1 minute ago, faraday said:

Yes, it is:

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/innit

 

No, they weren't fools - as we don't know the full story.

Walking deep into a cave that floods in rainy season to celebrate a birthday is stupid.

 

 

Innit is slang.

This is thailand. Sure they will take legal action. If they charge fish feeders and jet ski accident riders there must be something they can throw at him.

Just to show they have that power you know.

7 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Innit is slang.

So....?

8 hours ago, Justfine said:

Rainy season

Cave goes down

 

Don't need a warning sign to work out the obvious.

 

 

 

Well, at least they don't share your presumptuous nature and do have a sign to warn those who may not assume that the cave floods, its not like you only know that it does from this incident, is it, oh no, it was surely obvious to you before hand, get a grip.

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Well, at least they don't share your presumptuous nature and do have a sign to warn those who may not assume that the cave floods, its not like you only know that it does from this incident, is it, oh no, it was surely obvious to you before hand, get a grip.

Apologist

9 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Apologist

Antoganist

41 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Innit is slang.

 

Have you considered joining, https://www.mensa.org/ ?

The Thai ministerials B/S starting. The Governor should be made responsible. If flooding is taking place the cave officials should know and inform the higher-up and close the cave. NO ENTRY.