Popular Post HooHaa Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 13 hours ago, Badrabbit said: I'm surprised they haven't been arrested for working without a work permit such is Thailand!! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Im not suprised some asshat with an axe to grind trotted out this tired old saw. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 14 hours ago, VocalNeal said: One is a fireman, the other is an IT consultant. I'm a bit confused. I guess you've worked that one out now, many people can do James Bond stuff / SAS / SEALS etc etc who are just doing something as a hobby or a job and are dam good at it. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Quite a few Brits here want everyone to know they won the cave diving. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Only on this forum do I find people obsessed with the work permit thing and will bring it up at the drop of a hat, sometimes very inappropriately. How sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff65 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 WHY??????? That’s their jobs,that’s what they get payed to do just like doctors, paramedics, fire fighters, and all other rescue crews.they all saves lives every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formaleins Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 You really think these guys want Thai citizenship and some tacky tin pot banana republic dictator medal? I don't think these guys work like that - Maybe a free pass at Nana or Cowboy all expenses paid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jak2002003 Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, geoff65 said: WHY??????? That’s their jobs,that’s what they get payed to do just like doctors, paramedics, fire fighters, and all other rescue crews.they all saves lives every day. Are you serious? You are clearly ignorant about this subject. You don't even realise there rescuers were volunteers! Very brave people putting their own lives in serious danger to save other human beings. And you think its just their jobs?!!! You seem to think saving lives 'every day' is worth nothing.…… Honestly, some of the people on this forum! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Kieran00001 said: What about the U.S. Special Operations Command Pacific Search and Rescue team, not much of a mention and they led the operation! Er, they didn't do anything significant. There was a mention that one of their team is a woman if that's any consolation to you. ☺ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Isn't the one starting with V living in Thailand? If so, he certainly would deserve thai citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveyh Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) These UK guys did not do this for any reward or monetary reason. It is the effort by them for the sake of humanity that matters most. We as Europeans think differently than our Asian cousins, hence those who took part in this fantastic rescue will definitely receive some form of recognition. The Asian members of the group will almost certainly expect & receive monetary awards, plus various honours bestowed upon them by the Thai government, but the Europeans of the group will not be expecting anything other than a polite "thank you" for their help in the rescue of the boys trapped under ground. It's the Thai mindset here to expect it & you have to understand the culture here ....... events like this are easily forgotten, tragic or otherwise, hence the monetary thing & rewards solve everything .... & they move on. Edited July 5, 2018 by Daveyh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HHTel Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, geoff65 said: WHY??????? That’s their jobs,that’s what they get payed to do just like doctors, paramedics, fire fighters, and all other rescue crews.they all saves lives every day. How very sad. These guys are volunteers with other day jobs. They have been quoted as saying "We volunteer 100%. Cave diving is something we enjoy and is a hobby." 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Somebody had to pop their head out of the rabbit hole & find those kids....It happened to be them.... If these 3 guys were not here it would have been someone else from a another country and the kids still would have been found safely given the efforts of all involved..... Pretty much end of story.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveyh Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, pgrahmm said: Somebody had to pop their head out of the rabbit hole & find those kids....It happened to be them.... If these 3 guys were not here it would have been someone else from a another country and the kids still would have been found safely given the efforts of all involved..... Pretty much end of story.... Hmmm ....... not so sure about that. The UK guys were lucky to find them & they were the first to admit it. Read previous posts before you post ............ it could have all gone "pear shaped", but for pure luck in surfacing where they did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy851 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Its been annoying me a little bit tbh that the foreign help they have recieved is going un noticed and unappreciated as much as the thai heroes, especially in the thai only media. Theyre taking credit and glory and national pride as if it was a specificlly thai rescue team that found them alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Daveyh said: Hmmm ....... not so sure about that. The UK guys were lucky to find them & they were the first to admit it. Read previous posts before you post ............ it could have all gone "pear shaped", but for pure luck in surfacing where they did. I know - I posted one of those that you're talking about..... You mean to say without these guys the kids wouldn't have been found, even though they were in the exact area they expected them to be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 I seriously think the Brits would be the first to acknowledge that they are part of a larger team and credit would be due to all involved. Its sort of why Brits are liked and respected around the world, they are usually not <deleted> when it comes to this sort of thing. Its just not in the general British mindset, its all about me, where is my reward, I won the competition etc . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mattd Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 Quote Give The British Divers Who Found the Kids And Their Instructor In The Cave Thai Citizenship I would very much doubt that they would want that! 7 hours ago, cyberfarang said: I have no doubts the British rescue team will gain a lot of work out of this, now news of their fantastic achievement has gone worldwide. It`s going to be; we need a rescue team, who we gonna call? You make it sound like they can or want to profit from this, they are volunteers who do this for free. I'd wager that they would be more than happy for the Thai government to make a sizable donation to the cave rescue club they belong to, so that they and others like them can continue to carry out these rescues, all of these rescue organisations rely mostly on donations and the truly dedicated and wonderful volunteers they have, I salute them all. I have to admit it saddened me a little this morning to read and see that my old company in Thailand has got involved, not because they are involved, that part is really great, but from what I've seen so far their motive seems to be for publicity as much as it is genuinely wanting to help, I hope I'm wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran00001 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, greenchair said: Er, they didn't do anything significant. There was a mention that one of their team is a woman if that's any consolation to you. ☺ They ran the operation, if that is not significant then what is? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Could bring in a clause and give them citizenship on the basis of skilled work (and employ them) or something along those lines. If they have jobs back home though then why would they want it? You wouldn't give citizenship for the actual act of saving the kids though. They saved 13 kids, other people I am sure have spent decades dedicating their lives to thousands of vulnerable people within the country and haven't been recognised once for it. The rescuers probably identify those people as the real heroes as they have dedicated their full lives to a cause - rather than a part of their lives. I think people are getting a little caught up in the hype of it all. Come, do what you enjoy doing, and go home. If that is their hobby, then it isn't too different from a hobby surfer going out into rough waters and using his skills to save drowning kids is it? Should Thailand give citizenship to every surfer who does that? Happens quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, pgrahmm said: Any chance of increasing the font size? Or can I just borrow your glasses? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, canuckamuck said: This is the second thread you started with the same title. Perhaps he's one of the divers.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 How about the Israel Company that gave communication phone that work in caves 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Badrabbit said: I'm surprised they haven't been arrested for working without a work permit such is Thailand!! Sent from my SM-G610F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app They would have been invited as "experts" doing temporary work for the government. They would have signed some paperwork, but that is all that is required. I do occasional teaching under the same circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: I seriously think the Brits would be the first to acknowledge that they are part of a larger team and credit would be due to all involved. Its sort of why Brits are liked and respected around the world, they are usually not <deleted> when it comes to this sort of thing. Its just not in the general British mindset, its all about me, where is my reward, I won the competition etc . With Monty being a notable exception? Sorry, couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shackleton Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 I think the word Hero is over used these days The British guys did what they are good at plus all the other people involved in getting a successful outcome No one does this thinking about getting or expecting a reward A big thankyou from the rescued kids and family would probably mean more to them 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odysseus123 Posted July 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) These are men and woman standing to their duty.Whether it is Thai,British,Laotians,Chinese or Americans they are doing their professional best with calm and humanity and I am very sure that they will prevail and that the footy team will return to their loved ones. Well done,all! Edited July 5, 2018 by Odysseus123 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 1 hour ago, canuckamuck said: Quite a few Brits here want everyone to know they won the cave diving. Looks that way doesn't it. What we have here has been classed as the biggest international rescue carried out in Thailand (tsunami being contentious). By selecting individuals for specific awards destroys the entire organized event IMO, and I am almost certain these would be the views of the 3 British volunteers as well. They applied their knowledge, integrated into the team and did both excellently, helping complete the first and most important phase by finding the kids alive. But it is just a partially complete mission at the minute until all of the survivors have been extracted safely. Again, IMO, not exactly the time to be talking about medals and citizenship anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: Its sort of why Brits are liked and respected around the world, they are usually not <deleted> when it comes to this sort of thing. Yes many cultures find the English reserve strange, the UK Queen has it down to an art, I have always had the greatest respect for my Queen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, shackleton said: I think the word Hero is over used these days The British guys did what they are good at plus all the other people involved in getting a successful outcome No one does this thinking about getting or expecting a reward A big thankyou from the rescued kids and family would probably mean more to them All true, but think of the message it sends if they're rewarded with citizenship and a passport, even if it's just to build goodwill for Thailand in the world, and within the expat community. Not to mention the incentive to step forward and render assistance in the next emergency. Even if it was a little bit of a lottery in being the team members in the right place by virtue of their skillset, the assignment they were given, and a lot of luck. Edited July 5, 2018 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 16 hours ago, VocalNeal said: If it is their job why did , reportedly, they pay their own airfares. You have any link to that claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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