phantomfiddler Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 12:31 AM, coulson said: Seems so practical and sensible, where's the catch? Where ? I had a work permit (for running a bar) for several years, and as part of the application I had to sign a document saying I was making 80,000 Bht per month, even though during the low season the profits were zero. One then has to pay taxes on the 80 G, even though on many months the profit after paying wages etc were next to zilch, and after paying the taxes they were often 20 G less than zilch ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 3:45 PM, Sir Dude said: They must be feeling the pinch in some way for them to have relaxed WP regs...usually, for a long time now, compromise has been non-negotiable on this one and only the tightening of the screw the other way has been OK. next theyll be saying "buy a condo in Thailand and get free visa" oooops hang on didnt they do something like that bef.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:42 PM, Rhys said: .. for teachers get rid of the syphilis test (VDLR) every year... especially for the long timers... Hmm the mentality ...of it all. is that because in the "long timers" group the assumption is they all have syphilis already?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprigger Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Now all that’s needed is to sort out the rest of their ridiculous visa system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337markus Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Mmmm the golden goose is hungry. Obviously jail time for this offense doesnt bring money but costs money to lock people up. So bring on the fines........................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Maestro said: There was an "actual formal public announcement by the government" of the Decree No.2 (Section 101) but you apparently missed it, as did I: the publication of this decree in the Government Gazette. Maestro, do you know, is the Government Gazette a] available in an EN language version, and/or b] available online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:24 PM, pegman said: Something usefull done by these guys. yes, something went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, atyclb said: is that because in the "long timers" group the assumption is they all have syphilis already?? Or perhaps it's meaning that teachers never have sex, therefore absolutely no need for a syphilis test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Maestro, do you know, is the Government Gazette a] available in an EN language version, and/or b] available online? Thai only. http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeht Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 What?? A foreigner can just live here now and work if the activity is deemed “beneficial to Thailand and the people”? Is there a list of at least a general definition of what classified as beneficial? Can I get the whole decree in English somewhere? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Just now, blackcab said: Thai only. http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th Ahh... so that probably explains why I missed reading the original announcement.... Duh....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 21 hours ago, PoorSucker said: Lower fines for break the law, that's it. Since the lowered fines are both for the worker AND the employer, I'd assume this new language will make it easier / more inviting for those Thai companies that want to exploit foreign workers by trying to hire them on the cheap without providing work permits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, Maeht said: What?? A foreigner can just live here now and work if the activity is deemed “beneficial to Thailand and the people”? Is there a list of at least a general definition of what classified as beneficial? Can I get the whole decree in English somewhere? There's probably a sliding scale chart they'll use once you get arrested for working without a work permit. Anything under 10K baht in the way of a bribe will be considered NOT beneficial. 10-50K baht gets you into the possibly beneficial territory. And over 50K baht most likely will mean definitely beneficial. Plan accordingly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davedub Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 This could be seriously good news for both professional expats and Thailand as a whole. Having received BOI approval earlier this year, the biggest remaining headache is the visa situation - my SMART Visa application was a nightmarish paper production frenzy that led to a very expensive refusal just last month. If I'm reading this right, a Foreign Business Certificate holder no longer needs a WP. I'm holding off the celebrations until I can confirm this, but it looks like I might (after spending ten months "making paper"), finally be able to finally start doing some real business here soon and have the opportunity to come good on my promise of transferring some tech skills. Add to that the easing of short term visiting professional's requirements and we're looking at something that actually works for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Maestro, do you know, is the Government Gazette a] available in an EN language version, and/or b] available online? Thai only. The gazette is one of the most horrible government websites I've had the displeasure of browsing. Add to that the usual local interpretations of what goes in there and SNAFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinsdale Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Now what they need to do is sort out the absolute bullshit about teaching here. Problem is those at the top 'aint real smart'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 22 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Maestro, do you know, is the Government Gazette a] available in an EN language version, and/or b] available online? I have seen a combination of the Thai and unofficial English translation published in the form of a printed booklet for each issue of the Gazette by an outfit called International Translations in Bangkok, which in the 1970s was located on Silom Road but they later moved, I believe to Wireless Road. They made the booklets available on a subscription basis and my employer had such a subscription, and also sold individual issues to walk-in customers but you had to know either the year and issue number or the publication date of the document you were looking for to enable them to find what you wanted. Today, the government-published Gazette, in Thai only, can be found online at http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th, perhaps also on http://www.krisdika.go.th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 20 hours ago, DrTuner said: Thai only. The gazette is one of the most horrible government websites I've had the displeasure of browsing. Add to that the usual local interpretations of what goes in there and SNAFU. What website link have you been using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 This could be seriously good news for both professional expats and Thailand as a whole. Having received BOI approval earlier this year, the biggest remaining headache is the visa situation - my SMART Visa application was a nightmarish paper production frenzy that led to a very expensive refusal just last month. If I'm reading this right, a Foreign Business Certificate holder no longer needs a WP. I'm holding off the celebrations until I can confirm this, but it looks like I might (after spending ten months "making paper"), finally be able to finally start doing some real business here soon and have the opportunity to come good on my promise of transferring some tech skills. Add to that the easing of short term visiting professional's requirements and we're looking at something that actually works for all concerned.I wish you good luck and please keep us updated. Could be some small revolution if the recent changes are applied in a way that foreigners can profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 What?? A foreigner can just live here now and work if the activity is deemed “beneficial to Thailand and the people”? Is there a list of at least a general definition of what classified as beneficial? Can I get the whole decree in English somewhere? ThanksI'm waiting as well for a explanation from the government on this.Like a list of sectors and professions that apply for this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, Maestro said: What website link have you been using? http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th Using the search function reminds me of the text games of the 80's. Finding the right words to get a hit takes 99% of the time. Last time I used it was to find the cabinet resolutions for the elite visas. Took hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 22 hours ago, Maeht said: What?? A foreigner can just live here now and work if the activity is deemed “beneficial to Thailand and the people”? Is there a list of at least a general definition of what classified as beneficial? Can I get the whole decree in English somewhere? Thanks 1 I can't find your quote "beneficial to Thailand and the people" anywhere in this topic. Can you give the link to the corresponding post or to the web page from which you copied that text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, DrTuner said: http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th Using the search function reminds me of the text games of the 80's. Finding the right words to get a hit takes 99% of the time. Last time I used it was to find the cabinet resolutions for the elite visas. Took hours. You have a good point there. Without at least part of the Thai title of this decree or the number or publication date of the issue of the Gazette where it was published, you can spend hours trying to find it. Duensing Kippen says : Quote On 27 March 2018 the Emergency Decree on Non-Thais’ Working Management (No.2) (2018) (“Decree No. 2”) was issued. This leaves open the question whether 27 March 2018 was the date when the decree was signed or the date of the Gazette in which it was published. Tilleke & Gibbins says: Quote The Royal Decree on Managing the Work of Foreigners (No. 2) B.E. 2561 (2018) came into effect on March 28, 2018 This leaves open the question on what date it was published in the Gazette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davedub Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I *think* I may have found a scan of the Thai version: http://www.krabiimmigration.go.th/book/2-e2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I'm hoping for a clarification and some examples by Thai government, lawyer or TVF users Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Removed my post with what I erroneously thought was a link to the decree in Thai. False alarm. The quest continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 This looks like it could be the publication, in Thai, of the Royal Decree on Managing the Work of Foreigners (No. 2) B.E. 2561 (2018 ) http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2561/A/019/29.PDF The Thai title of the document is พระราชกำหนด การบริหารจัดการการทำงานของคนต่างด้าว (ฉบับที่ ๒) พ.ศ. ๒๕๖๑, the Google translation of which is "Royal Decree on the Management of Alien Work (No.". The date of publication in the Government Gazette, shown at the top right of the documents page, is 27 March 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Davedub said: I *think* I may have found a scan of the Thai version: http://www.krabiimmigration.go.th/book/2-e2.html What you have stumbled upon there is a Royal Decree published in the Gazette on 27 March, the title of which Google translates as "Emergency Decree Amending the Immigration Act, 1979" This is a nice trouvaille and I shall start a topic about it in the Visa forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha777 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I can't find your quote "beneficial to Thailand and the people" anywhere in this topic. Can you give the link to the corresponding post or to the web page from which you copied that text?It is a little bit longer than I expected but it is real thing,worth reading it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b8_3JDBToIM4aa3jMWOKuLW32OEENXLS/view?usp=drivesdkSent from my ASUS_X018D using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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