Australian is key member of team battling to save the lives of boys in the cave

[Cake Monster]

the International contingent of divers really had to be involved in the decision making process, because they are the experts.

No disrespect to the RTN Seals, but they have not been trained in situations such as this cave rescue.

To involve them more than they are,  would have seriously put  their lives, and the lives other divers, and of the trapped kids in considerably more danger.

Cool heads and calm thinking were the order of the day for the rescue attempt, and so far all seems to have gone well.

It matters not one jot whether the its the expert divers, the RTN Seals, the lady washing the socks or the tea boy, every body is playing a role in trying to get these kids out, and each and every one of them should be immensely proud of there actions.

Edited July 9, 2018 by Cake Monster

[tingtongtourist]

2 hours ago, Yann55 said:

 

The Westerners who participate in this rescue deserve respect, there's no question about that, and they're receiving it from everyone, regardless of race or nationality.

 

But 'farangs' as a whole ? Pray tell, what is there to respect, exactly ? Do you realize how incredibly colonial you sound when you demand that Thais respect 'farangs' just because ... ?

 

What your acid little remark illustrates, and quite accurately, is the problem of expats' attitude here, especially their insufferable feeling of entitlement : "How come these people, for whom I have absolutely no respect, do not respect me, the white conqueror and owner of the world?"

 

And before anyone tells me that not all farangs are like that here, I'll say that yes, I know : it's only about 8 out of 10, so yes I'm generalizing... with due cause.

 

 

I find these 2 post (you and the guy you reply) of strange interest.

Two very opposite opinions about life here as farang yet i have to agree with both 100%

 

IMO, ideal to always be around the middle of 2 such thoughts, but if im honest i tend to take your side slightly more than the other.

 

[starky]

7 hours ago, seajae said:

this is the person setting the evacuation order based on medical needs, he is extremely knowledgeable on caving diving medical requirements plus oxygen deprivation and its effects on divers. He will be sending the boys out due to their medical condition which is far more important

Thanks for the translation. Was that more for the Thai audience or those incapable of English comprehension?

[oldlakey]

59 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Who wrote the headline ?

I think this wonderful, caring, highly skilled  man is doing a little better than "struggling"

The headline does not imply he is struggling it simply means that he is having to work hard and use all his experience and expertise in extremely  difficult conditions

to ensure a happy and successful outcome 

I am now off to battle on somewhere else

[bowerboy]

I know this is probably a bit off topic but I do definitely think the coach is 100% to blame for this whole fiasco. Unfortunately everyone has decided to go down the local mai pen rai route in apportioning blame. 1 person guiding 12 people...the cave was 10kms long and they entered at something like 1 or 2pm...10kms is a long way on flat ground never mind in a cave. So if they had even made it through then how would they have got back to their starting point? I am sure they would of all been scraped and scratched to pieces...the coach is to blame and should be held to task in some way (although allowing leniency for his leadership in keeping them together during the ordeal).

[ripstanley]

8 hours ago, greenchair said:

Aha the neccesary part 2 as predicted. 

Here is part 3. Very good reading.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/thai-cave-rescue-adelaide-doctor-highly-skilled-colleague-says/9957074

Edited July 9, 2018 by ripstanley

[oldlakey]

6 minutes ago, ripstanley said:

Here is part 3. Very good reading.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-09/thai-cave-rescue-adelaide-doctor-highly-skilled-colleague-says/9957074

Now you have gone and done it

Fancy posting something that mentions cave diving, the best and the British in the same sentence even though it is being used as a well earned tribute to Dr Harris

[patrick1968]

well done mate ??

[ancharee]

You are quite right, I cant figure out why so many westerners have a bad attitude on TV maybe they were unhappy before moving to Thailand and just see  the negative in living in Asia, The rescue of these kids and any disaster should be respected by anyone who is able to help in any way to save a life

[atyclb]

11 hours ago, dundas said:

He's the ideal person -- understands all the medical issues related to diving, including the risk of panicking, etc. Plus he's an anaesthetist and if anyone is best placed to help with a judicious bit of medication to help the boys stay calm  on their journeys, it's him. 

 

great to have such competent smart rescuers.  anyone know his tv alias?

[atyclb]

5 hours ago, Yann55 said:

11 hours ago, lanista said:

These 12 Thai  kids are incredibly lucky to have all this international help which most Thais could only dream of.

I hope when theyre older they will respect farangs more so than their elders.

Time will tell.

 

The Westerners who participate in this rescue deserve respect, there's no question about that, and they're receiving it from everyone, regardless of race or nationality.

 

But 'farangs' as a whole ? Pray tell, what is there to respect, exactly ? Do you realize how incredibly colonial you sound when you demand that Thais respect 'farangs' just because ... ?

 

What your acid little remark illustrates, and quite accurately, is the problem of expats' attitude here, especially their insufferable feeling of entitlement : "How come these people, for whom I have absolutely no respect, do not respect me, the white conqueror and owner of the world?"

 

And before anyone tells me that not all farangs are like that here, I'll say that yes, I know : it's only about 8 out of 10, so yes I'm generalizing... with due cause.

 

 

 

 

i think he meant he hopes this changes the thai outlook and perception of other people they may deem unimportant or of lesser value than what they are taught about "thai culture. thai superiority, etc etc in what essentially amounts to a self deluded world" .  imo thais with resources have no deficiency of entitlement and likely greater levels than any entitled farangs.

[Jonmarleesco]

They're all important; I doubt one more than another. 

[atyclb]

1 hour ago, bowerboy said:

I know this is probably a bit off topic but I do definitely think the coach is 100% to blame for this whole fiasco. Unfortunately everyone has decided to go down the local mai pen rai route in apportioning blame. 1 person guiding 12 people...the cave was 10kms long and they entered at something like 1 or 2pm...10kms is a long way on flat ground never mind in a cave. So if they had even made it through then how would they have got back to their starting point? I am sure they would of all been scraped and scratched to pieces...the coach is to blame and should be held to task in some way (although allowing leniency for his leadership in keeping them together during the ordeal).

 

 

the question is did the coach deviate from the  "standard" or baseline level of judgement and decision making ability in society?

[lespaulTV]

My salute and respect don't mean anything but I salute these people nonetheless. ? 

[Italian guy]

7 hours ago, Yann55 said:

 

The Westerners who participate in this rescue deserve respect, there's no question about that, and they're receiving it from everyone, regardless of race or nationality.

 

But 'farangs' as a whole ? Pray tell, what is there to respect, exactly ? Do you realize how incredibly colonial you sound when you demand that Thais respect 'farangs' just because ... ?

 

What your acid little remark illustrates, and quite accurately, is the problem of expats' attitude here, especially their insufferable feeling of entitlement : "How come these people, for whom I have absolutely no respect, do not respect me, the white conqueror and owner of the world?"

 

And before anyone tells me that not all farangs are like that here, I'll say that yes, I know : it's only about 8 out of 10, so yes I'm generalizing... with due cause.

 

 

There's some truth in what you say but the reality is a bit more complicated. I'm just too tired to write two pages of reply to explain what's faulty in your reasoning, though. I'd rather go to bed now.

[kevvy]

On 7/8/2018 at 9:59 PM, kevvy said:

It is an Australian doctor in the cave ...why ? he has a diving certificate

I don't think so. The doctor who has been statyuing continuously with the boys is a Thai Navy Deal doc.

 

Australian dive medicine specialist went in to assess the boy's fitness for the extraction and then came out again.

 

this person who replied to my comment thought different

[smileydude]

An incredibly selfless individual with a uncommon combination of skills being both an anesthesiologist and a diver.

These kids and the rescuers are all fortunate to have him on the team.

I'm sure Thai's all over the country appreciate all the diving and rescue volunteers who have come from many countries to help and wish them a successful rescue operation and safe return home.

[lamyai3]

14 minutes ago, smileydude said:

An incredibly selfless individual with a uncommon combination of skills being both an anesthesiologist and a diver.

These kids and the rescuers are all fortunate to have him on the team.

It's astonishing to think an anaesthiologist got all the way in there to do his stuff. It was nice to read the British caving rescue people called him up, calling on his unique skillset. Truly international cooperation by all these selfless heroes. 

[Ron19]

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[Chris Lawrence]

The Sydney Morning Herald wrote a good article on the going on's at the cave and an insight as to how the rescue is being controlled by the Thai authorities. It also gives a brief on who is involved. The link is below and well worth reading.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/why-the-hero-of-the-thai-cave-rescue-was-demoted/ar-AAzM3M8?ocid=spartanntp

[tigerfeet]

15 hours ago, Yann55 said:

 

The Westerners who participate in this rescue deserve respect, there's no question about that, and they're receiving it from everyone, regardless of race or nationality.

 

But 'farangs' as a whole ? Pray tell, what is there to respect, exactly ? Do you realize how incredibly colonial you sound when you demand that Thais respect 'farangs' just because ... ?

 

What your acid little remark illustrates, and quite accurately, is the problem of expats' attitude here, especially their insufferable feeling of entitlement : "How come these people, for whom I have absolutely no respect, do not respect me, the white conqueror and owner of the world?"

 

And before anyone tells me that not all farangs are like that here, I'll say that yes, I know : it's only about 8 out of 10, so yes I'm generalizing... with due cause.

 

 

what has this got to do with a international  rescue operation .which hopefully  will bring us all closer together

[sambum]

21 hours ago, natway09 said:

Who wrote the headline ?

I think this wonderful, caring, highly skilled  man is doing a little better than "struggling"

"Australian is key member of team battling to save the lives of boys in the cave"

 

Where does it say "struggling"?

[sambum]

20 hours ago, oldlakey said:

The headline does not imply he is struggling it simply means that he is having to work hard and use all his experience and expertise in extremely  difficult conditions

to ensure a happy and successful outcome 

I am now off to battle on somewhere else

Also the headline says "battling" not "struggling"!

[oldlakey]

2 hours ago, sambum said:

Also the headline says "battling" not "struggling"!

Yes I noticed that as well 555555 but our fellow member was obviously struggling with the meaning of the word battling, so I just thought I might as well give him a helping hand as regards his confusion 

Edited July 10, 2018 by oldlakey