U.S. accuses Russian spies of 2016 election hacking, summit looms

[Jingthing]

Putin's poodle strikes again. I think he's a traitor.

 

"trump" fans think they are patriots. Does not compute.

 

 

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[heybruce]

Can you imagine if Obama had said he believed Putin's denial over all of his intelligence agencies' conclusions?  The talking heads of Fox News would have exploded (which would almost be worth it).

 

Trump likes doing business with autocrats and corrupt oligarchs.  They are people he can relate to.  He was negotiating a Trump Tower deal with Moscow while running for President.    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-business-sought-deal-on-a-trump-tower-in-moscow-while-he-ran-for-president/2017/08/27/d6e95114-8b65-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.69a765b88926

 

Trump has made extremely profitable real estate sales to Russian oligarchs.    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-sold-40-million-estate-russian-oligarch-100-million-and-democratic-802613

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?utm_term=.ebd30dc01b1b

 

Trump has borrowed money from Russia.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/richard-dearlove-mi6-trump-russia-money-2008-financial-crisis-us-election-a7684341.html

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/302216-how-much-money-does-the-trump-organization-owe

 

It is impossible to know the extent of Trump's financial ties and ambitions with Russia, because Trump defies precedent and keeps his finances secret.  But clearly he has ties and ambitions. 

 

Does anyone wonder why Trump is so nice to Putin?

Edited July 16, 2018 by heybruce

[Jingthing]

He's baiting the democrats now to impeach him based on the high crime of treason. Probably not a smart political move for the democrats, but he certainly deserves it. He's definitely not my president now as I'm not Russian. 

Edited July 16, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Hillary Clinton gets in a dig --

 

Hillary Clinton

 

✔@HillaryClinton

 

 

Great World Cup. Question for President Trump as he meets Putin: Do you know which team you play for?

7:15 AM - Jul 16, 2018

 

 

From a campaign debate. It's still current --

 

 

 

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"You encouraged espionage against our people. You are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list: break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do," Clinton said later in the debate. "You continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race."

 

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

He averages 7 falsehoods per day. Where have you been?

we talking errors...you changed to falsehoods....please 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

we talking errors...you changed to falsehoods....please 

I asked you about factual errors (lies), which you ignored.  Please.

[JHolmesJr]

Then why not just say lies?

[heybruce]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

Then why not just say lies?

I did.  However they aren't always lies, sometimes they are displays of profound ignorance, such as when he said "Nobody knew that healthcare was so complicated".  Actually everyone with any brains knew healthcare was complicated.  Or the time when he took credit for "Priming the pump", the fool actually thought he invented the phrase.

 

However when he stated that he had the largest inauguration crowds in history and the rain stopped for his acceptance speech, he knew he was lieing.

 

If you want something more substantive error; he gave away all leverage we have on North Korea just for a photo op.  Trump may think a photo op is worth it, but people concerned about North Korea continuing its work on nuclear weapons with sanctions relieved and Kim having new international respectability think otherwise.

 

Or the trillion dollar deficits his tax cuts are generating.  Of course the Trumpies won't worry about the deficit until the Fox News talking heads tell them too, and the Fox News buffoons never worry about deficits when there is a Republican in the White House.

 

Of course his latest, humiliating for the entire nation error is his saying he believes Putin's denial of election interference over all of his intelligence agencies.  Are you willing to call that an error?

[gk10002000]

I have no doubts the Russians or other countries or persons had an interest in the US elections and had some desire for some candidate or candidates to get in or out of office.  But I never saw any details of the alleged hacking, or influencing that supposedly went on.  This is the first time I heard of any details.

[AYJAYDEE]

30 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

I have no doubts the Russians or other countries or persons had an interest in the US elections and had some desire for some candidate or candidates to get in or out of office.  But I never saw any details of the alleged hacking, or influencing that supposedly went on.  This is the first time I heard of any details.

were you in a position to hear about the details?

[gk10002000]

4 hours ago, AYJAYDEE said:

were you in a position to hear about the details?

Not that I put much weight or faith on the TV, but every night on the USA news on multiple channels, they kept saying Russian this, Russian that, but never gave any detailsNo

[Curt1591]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is good stuff.

 

Trump would need some very special excuse to stop an investigation into what Russians did, especially when he’s spent so much time claiming no collusion.

 

If Trump tries to shutdown the investigation now he cannot claim he’s not helping Russia.

Do we know what "collusion" means? 

During the election, there was plenty of collusion taking place. None of it has been tied to Trump. Now, Hilary is another story.

By the way, it was Obama who said that there was no hacking. 

 

 

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

we talking errors...you changed to falsehoods....please 

Are you saying falsehoods aren't errors?

"the state or condition of being wrong in conduct or judgment."

[mtls2005]

4 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

I have no doubts the Russians or other countries or persons had an interest in the US elections and had some desire for some candidate or candidates to get in or out of office.  But I never saw any details of the alleged hacking, or influencing that supposedly went on.  This is the first time I heard of any details.

 

One would have to have had been paying a bit of attention, which I readily admit most Americans did not, owing to wanting to just get on with their daily lives, but the Washington Post first highlighted the Russian efforts in a June, 2016 seminal article. And both the House and Senate "intelligence" committees were briefed, also in June, of the Russian efforts. The information was there for the public, certainly before the election. After the election, many of the facets of the Russian attacks started trickling out.

 

Mitch McConnell seems to have blocked an effort at a public rebuke, for reasons which may ultimately come to light.

 

And no doubt President Obama might have done more, but he was in a challenging position, especially given the rhetoric Trump was spouting when it looked like he might lose.

[AYJAYDEE]

53 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Not that I put much weight or faith on the TV, but every night on the USA news on multiple channels, they kept saying Russian this, Russian that, but never gave any detailsNo

lol! prosecutors dont reveal details about their cases until they are ready to lay charges

[AYJAYDEE]

58 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

Do we know what "collusion" means? 

During the election, there was plenty of collusion taking place. None of it has been tied to Trump. Now, Hilary is another story.

By the way, it was Obama who said that there was no hacking. 

 

 

how do you know it hasnt been tied to trump? does the special prosecutor keep you updated on what he knows?

[bristolboy]

17 hours ago, riclag said:

Ok! When PT says I told Vlad to "cut it out",while all the other deterrence the POTUS uses behind the scenes are secretly put in action, you and I can stand down,right  

So is this also part of his plan to allay Putin's suspicions?

[bristolboy]

On 7/15/2018 at 2:27 PM, Rigby40 said:

I'm sorry my comments don't please you. I really don't care. And when you come up with a response, you can stick it where the sun don't shine.

Some Christian counseling is in order here:

Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turns away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

 

Matthew 5:38-40f anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 

 

James 1:19-20 
19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 
20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.

 

Proverbs 29:11 
11 Fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end

 

 

 

[Curt1591]

1 hour ago, AYJAYDEE said:

how do you know it hasnt been tied to trump? does the special prosecutor keep you updated on what he knows?

If, after over 18 months, Mueller could tie it to Trump, one might believe he would have made the case by now. After all, wasn't that why he was appointed? 

Still waiting for the "case of the suspect waiting for a crime" case to come to fruition. 

[AYJAYDEE]

1 minute ago, Curt1591 said:

If, after over 18 months, Mueller could tie it to Trump, one might believe he would have made the case by now. After all, wasn't that why he was appointed? 

Still waiting for the "case of the suspect waiting for a crime" case to come to fruition. 

you might but mueller knows what he's doing. he has to get the small fry to turn and then wham

 

[Credo]

39 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

If, after over 18 months, Mueller could tie it to Trump, one might believe he would have made the case by now. After all, wasn't that why he was appointed? 

Still waiting for the "case of the suspect waiting for a crime" case to come to fruition. 

Why don't you come back and complain when the investigation reaches the amount of time for The Clinton investigation, Iran Contra investigation or the Watergate investigation.   2 of those lasted for at least 3 years and one more or less ended with the resignation of a president after a year long (special prosecutor) investigation.    

 

By comparison, Mueller has a long time to go.   

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Are you saying falsehoods aren't errors?

"the state or condition of being wrong in conduct or judgment."

 

These days its a matter of perspective....one mans truth is another mans lies and vice versa

 

Look at cnn....their truth is that "trump has been hacked by the man who is a master of that dark art"

 

To me that is false.

[Curt1591]

23 minutes ago, Credo said:

Why don't you come back and complain when the investigation reaches the amount of time for The Clinton investigation, Iran Contra investigation or the Watergate investigation.   2 of those lasted for at least 3 years and one more or less ended with the resignation of a president after a year long (special prosecutor) investigation.    

 

By comparison, Mueller has a long time to go.   

 

 

I remember those investigations. Watergate seems like child's play compared to what has been already shown to be going on leading up to the 2016 election. 

Still waiting for evidence of Trump's involvement it the antics.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

These days its a matter of perspective....one mans truth is another mans lies and vice versa

 

Look at cnn....their truth is that "trump has been hacked by the man who is a master of that dark art"

 

To me that is false.

I wasn't aware that that the alleged falsehoods CNN were at issue here. It's Trump we're talking about and he averages 7 errors per day. 

[Curt1591]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

These days its a matter of perspective....one mans truth is another mans lies and vice versa

 

Or, a matter of obsession. 

[bristolboy]

Just now, Curt1591 said:

Or, a matter of obsession. 

Actually it's a matter of facts vs. falsehoods.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

Do we know what "collusion" means? 

During the election, there was plenty of collusion taking place. None of it has been tied to Trump. Now, Hilary is another story.

By the way, it was Obama who said that there was no hacking. 

 

 

There has been no collusion between Trump and Russia shown yet.

 

There has been no collusion or evidence of collusion between the Clinton campaign and Russia.

 

Obama was addressing Trump's ridiculous claim that the election was rigged when Trump thought he would lose.  Obama said the overall election couldn't be rigged, but that was before we knew as much as we know now.

 

Yes, we know what collusion means, not that it matters.  "Collusion" is not used in the letter appointing Mueller.

 

You are a troll posting fake news in an attempt to derail this topic.

[heybruce]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

I asked you about factual errors (lies), which you ignored.  Please.

 

10 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Then why not just say lies?

 

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

I did.  However they aren't always lies, sometimes they are displays of profound ignorance, such as when he said "Nobody knew that healthcare was so complicated".  Actually everyone with any brains knew healthcare was complicated.  Or the time when he took credit for "Priming the pump", the fool actually thought he invented the phrase.

 

However when he stated that he had the largest inauguration crowds in history and the rain stopped for his acceptance speech, he knew he was lieing.

 

If you want something more substantive error; he gave away all leverage we have on North Korea just for a photo op.  Trump may think a photo op is worth it, but people concerned about North Korea continuing its work on nuclear weapons with sanctions relieved and Kim having new international respectability think otherwise.

 

Or the trillion dollar deficits his tax cuts are generating.  Of course the Trumpies won't worry about the deficit until the Fox News talking heads tell them too, and the Fox News buffoons never worry about deficits when there is a Republican in the White House.

 

Of course his latest, humiliating for the entire nation error is his saying he believes Putin's denial of election interference over all of his intelligence agencies.  Are you willing to call that an error?

 

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

These days its a matter of perspective....one mans truth is another mans lies and vice versa

 

Look at cnn....their truth is that "trump has been hacked by the man who is a master of that dark art"

 

To me that is false.

Factual errors large and small have been identified for your enlightenment.  Instead of commenting on them you engage in semantic discussions and an attempted diversion with a made-up CNN "truth".

 

Get on topic or troll somewhere else.

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.   Please stay on topic.  

 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

I remember those investigations. Watergate seems like child's play compared to what has been already shown to be going on leading up to the 2016 election. 

Still waiting for evidence of Trump's involvement it the antics.

You perhaps missed Trump emploring Russia to get those emails - it’s been broadcast a few times!

Edited July 17, 2018 by Chomper Higgot