Dumbastheycome Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Bash away. Unforseens only happen in Thailand. Ho hum. Enjoy your sense of superiority while ignoring the events elsewhere that according to the critics could never happen in locations of serene security of all manner and means. In "those" locations there are no high speed road accidents causing deaths and injury, no abuses of anybody, no street sales of dangerous drugs, no sexual assualts, no mass shootings by deranged students,no etc etc etc etc. And of course corruption and ineptitude is absent from all official walks of life. So what the F... are the critical doing here when they could be ever so cosy back where ever they sloped from or comment from in smug insecurity !????? Live it or leave it or leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Come Easy Go Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Sydebolle said: The tsunami desaster was not foreseeable and, for the record, took place on December 26th, 2004 and not two years later - not that this really would matter. The cave story is different all together as the cave's condition and seasonal flooding was known to the powers to be. In any other civilized country the cave would be locked and closed for good; there are plenty of other caves to be visited by the Johns and the Marys - but now the discussion is apparently already about a movie and a national treasure nomination. Beats me ? Quite a boring movie then... One would need to elaborate quite a lot to make that into an interesting movie. They said that about the miners stuck in a mine in Chile some years back, not heard of that movie being released. The reality is, in a couple of months this situation will have left the consciousness of most people, and they will be fascinated with something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 9 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said: Thailand has more generals than the US.... and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this? I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand! Lieutenants get the job done, Generals are just for show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker1 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Thai Authorities love forming committee's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fobuff Posted July 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said: Thailand has more generals than the US.... and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this? I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand! I would rather have a lieutenant who knows what he is doing than a Lt-gen who is part of an illegal junta just showing is face for show and blame everybody else... Edited July 14, 2018 by fobuff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lamyai3 Posted July 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Chang_paarp said: Could you imagine the carnage if Gen Toad took command and demonstrated his usual expertise in things. He was all ready to step up and lead the rescuers into the cave, but he got stuck trying figure out the buttons on his Rolex Submariner. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 6 hours ago, ttrd said: It could be of another reason, that the guy who actually was half pushed out from the inner circle was placed in charge for something that the (to use your caracteristics) lazy/incompetent/money grubbing fat cats believed would end in a disaster to finally finish with him - but unfortunately for them and luckily for every one else it ended in a success which made the political victim to a real hero - if so, a real backfire... I thought the same. After the death of the Navy seal, along with predictions of high rainfall and reducing oxygen levels, the prognosis was looking very uncertain indeed... far from basking in the reflected glory of the rescue divers, taking the helm of this operation may well have turned out to be a poisoned chalice. I bet the higher ups were scared to touch it with a bargepole - it took balls for the transferred governer to retain oversight and responsibility when the outcome was far from guaranteed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, connda said: Caveat: I'm not referring to just the Thai military. I've met incredibly competent officers in my career. However, most of those have been purged in the last few years and replaced with 'yes men'. It will work itself out. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I actually think this operation is a great example of that, though of course there were several fine men involved in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Different Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 So, if it was not the foreigners divers, the kids would be dead!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Easy Come Easy Go said: Quite a boring movie then... One would need to elaborate quite a lot to make that into an interesting movie. The tsunami movie was in fact quite boring, in spite of starring Ewan Mcgregor and Naomi Watts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 9 hours ago, SimonD said: Seeing as none of the boys or their 'coach' could swim, mandatory swimming lessons at primary school level would be a good start... Not saying this isn't a good idea. However, the ability to swim wouldn't have been much use in the tsunami. In the cave situation, if they had all been taught how to swim previously they would almost certainly have perished in the first few days after they got trapped, trying to swim out by themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday. I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaandon Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) PIYAPORN WONGRUANG is a moron. It was 2004 and not just thousands, but approximately 250,000 lives lost. <deleted>! Edited July 14, 2018 by metisdead Profane acronym removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) Thailand had faced a major tragedy in 2006 when the country was hit by the world’s deadliest tsunami, causing the loss of thousands of lives. The 2006 Pangandaran earthquake and tsunami occurred on July 17 at 15:19:27 local time in Indonesia. How could somebody mix that up? Thailand had faced a tsunami on the 26th of December in 2004, I was there a few days later and saw countless dead bodies still in the seawater. Something that was so frightening, that I'll never forget it. Edited July 14, 2018 by jenny2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, Isaandon said: PIYAPORN WONGRUANG is a moron. It was 2004 and not just thousands, but approximately 250,000 lives lost. SMFH! I guess he meant in Thailand only. Approximately 5,400 people were killed and 3,100 people were reported missing in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 1 hour ago, balo said: Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday. I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget . I've had and still have nightmares from dead bodies who were in the temple on top of the hill in Khao Lak and shocking photos of missing people. It's graved into my brain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, jenny2017 said: Khao Lak Three of my friends relatives died there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, balo said: Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday. I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget . We and our Thai family vacationed at Khao Lak in 2002 (2001?), rented a couple small but very nice bungalows. Right by the beach in a flat spot about 1 meter above high tide. Our son had just joined the US Marine Corps Reserves after 9/11. Last chance vacation. Our favorite spot was a bit of national park on the beach to the south end of that flat area. 2004, BAM, tsunami. January 2005, BAM, our son gets killed in Iraq. Khao Lak pic: Edited July 14, 2018 by Damrongsak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Different said: So, if it was not the foreigners divers, the kids would be dead!? Correct 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 15 hours ago, SimonD said: Seeing as none of the boys or their 'coach' could swim, mandatory swimming lessons at primary school level would be a good start... My son's school has a pool and he's had swimming lessons weekly for the last 2 years. Still can't swim a stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DILLIGAD Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 My son's school has a pool and he's had swimming lessons weekly for the last 2 years. Still can't swim a stroke.That’s your fault/responsibility IMO. Not something I’d be proud of or advertise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said: That’s your fault/responsibility IMO. Not something I’d be proud of or advertise. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Believe me I have tried to teach my son to swim but every time I throw him in the pool he just sinks to the bottom. My wife gets very annoyed and has banned me from teaching him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Believe me I have tried to teach my son to swim but every time I throw him in the pool he just sinks to the bottom. My wife gets very annoyed and has banned me from teaching him.I used to find incentives (read: blackmail) helps!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, NCC1701A said: Cancel the subs and buy some real fire/search and rescue equipment and training. Prevention is the key. Strong warning signs placed inside cave warning of impending death might have caused one of the boys to question their coach for example and prevented the debacle. Also accountability when an adult placed a child in harm's way causing death or injury is nonexistent in this country. Somehow it's always blamed on the Buddhs or bad luck in this culture. Edited July 15, 2018 by fullcave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 15 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said: Common sense would tell most not to do whatever (such as pulling out of a side turning onto a main road without looking), but that is entirely absent in Thailand so they need to be taught. Common sense, is one thing you can't teach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said: Thailand has more generals than the US.... and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this? I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand! Or... possibly... it shows that most of these generals' stars are not exactly gained through merit, skills, courage, dedication, intelligence, achievements and all those old-fashioned things ? Personally, if I got stuck in a cave I certainly would much rather have a competent Lieutenant in charge of the rescue rather than a [ù&$#~%] Operetta General ... Ya know, the kind that wear sunglasses and a smirk (not to mention a big fat gold watch) whatever the place and time ... Edited July 15, 2018 by Yann55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanssna Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 "Thailand had faced a major tragedy in 2006 when the country was hit by the world’s deadliest tsunami, causing the loss of thousands of lives." Strange... I remember pretty well it was in 2004. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just tell Thais there are ghosts in the cave m and they will not enter again . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just tell Thais there are ghosts in the cave m and they will not enter again . Good idea!!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 The Thai diver Saman Gunan certainly didn't die in vain if what one of the British rescuers has said is true. http://bangkokjack.com/2018/07/15/incredible-truth-thailand-cave-rescue/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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