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EXCLUSIVE: Cave saga EXPOSES FLAWS

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Bash  away. Unforseens  only happen in Thailand. Ho  hum. Enjoy   your  sense  of  superiority  while   ignoring  the events  elsewhere  that  according  to the critics  could never  happen  in  locations  of   serene security  of all manner and means. In  "those" locations there are  no high speed road accidents causing  deaths and  injury, no abuses  of  anybody,  no   street  sales  of  dangerous  drugs, no  sexual assualts,  no mass shootings  by  deranged students,no  etc etc etc etc. And  of course corruption  and ineptitude is  absent from  all official  walks of  life.

So what the  F... are   the critical doing  here  when they  could be ever  so  cosy  back where ever  they  sloped  from or  comment from in  smug  insecurity !?????

Live  it  or  leave  it  or  leave it alone.

 

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  • one large city in the USA has more equipment, training and experience than all of Thailand combined.    https://www.lafd.org/about/special-operations   this is only the city and do

  • i'm absolutely certain the tsunami hit thailand in 2004 (dec 26th if you must know the date).

  • Sorry to be so cynical, but that phrase is an oxymoron here, unfortunately. The guy in this position must know the reality of his quote above being implemented is just about zero.   I'm

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3 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

The tsunami desaster was not foreseeable and, for the record, took place on December 26th, 2004 and not two years later - not that this really would matter.

The cave story is different all together as the cave's condition and seasonal flooding was known to the powers to be. In any other civilized country the cave would be locked and closed for good; there are plenty of other caves to be visited by the Johns and the Marys - but now the discussion is apparently already about a movie and a national treasure nomination. Beats me ?

Quite a boring movie then... One would need to elaborate quite a lot to make that into an interesting movie. They said that about the miners stuck in a mine in Chile some years back, not heard of that movie being released. The reality is, in a couple of months this situation will have left the consciousness of most people, and they will be fascinated with something else 

9 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Thailand has more generals than the US....  and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this?  I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand!

Lieutenants get the job done,  Generals are just for show 

 

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10 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Thailand has more generals than the US....  and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this?  I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand!

 

I would rather have a lieutenant who knows what he is doing than a Lt-gen who is part of an illegal junta just showing is face for show and blame everybody else...

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11 hours ago, Chang_paarp said:

Could you imagine the carnage if Gen Toad took command and demonstrated his usual expertise in things. 

He was all ready to step up and lead the rescuers into the cave, but he got stuck trying figure out the buttons on his Rolex Submariner. 

6 hours ago, ttrd said:

It could be of another reason, that the guy who actually was half pushed out from the inner circle was placed in charge for something that the (to use your caracteristics) lazy/incompetent/money grubbing fat cats believed would end in a disaster to finally finish with him - but unfortunately for them and luckily for every one else it ended in a success which made the political victim to a real hero - if so, a real backfire...:smile:

I thought the same. After the death of the Navy seal, along with predictions of high rainfall and reducing oxygen levels, the prognosis was looking very uncertain indeed... far from basking in the reflected glory of the rescue divers, taking the helm of this operation may well have turned out to be a poisoned chalice. I bet the higher ups were scared to touch it with a bargepole - it took balls for the transferred governer to retain oversight and responsibility when the outcome was far from guaranteed. 

3 hours ago, connda said:

Caveat: I'm not referring to just the Thai military.  I've met incredibly competent officers in my career.  However, most of those have been purged in the last few years and replaced with 'yes men'.  It will work itself out. 

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I actually think this operation is a great example of that, though of course there were several fine men involved in it. 

So, if it was not the foreigners divers, the kids would be dead!?

3 hours ago, Easy Come Easy Go said:

Quite a boring movie then... One would need to elaborate quite a lot to make that into an interesting movie.

The tsunami movie was in fact quite boring, in spite of starring Ewan Mcgregor and Naomi Watts. 

9 hours ago, SimonD said:

Seeing as none of the boys or their 'coach' could swim, mandatory swimming lessons at primary school level would be a good start...

Not saying this isn't a good idea. However, the ability to swim wouldn't have been much use in the tsunami. In the cave situation, if they had all been taught how to swim previously they would almost certainly have perished in the first few days after they got trapped, trying to swim out by themselves. 

Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday.  I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget . 

 

 

PIYAPORN WONGRUANG is a moron. It was 2004 and not just  thousands, but approximately 250,000 lives lost. <deleted>!

Thailand had faced a major tragedy in 2006 when the country was hit by the world’s deadliest tsunami, causing the loss of thousands of lives.

 

 The 2006 Pangandaran earthquake and tsunami occurred on July 17 at 15:19:27 local time in Indonesia. How could somebody mix that up? 

 

  Thailand had faced a tsunami on the 26th of December in 2004, I was there a few days later and saw countless dead bodies still in the seawater.

 

Something that was so frightening, that I'll never forget it.  

37 minutes ago, Isaandon said:

PIYAPORN WONGRUANG is a moron. It was 2004 and not just  thousands, but approximately 250,000 lives lost. SMFH!

I guess he meant in Thailand only. Approximately 5,400 people were killed and 3,100 people were reported missing in Thailand. 

1 hour ago, balo said:

Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday.  I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget . 

 

 

I've had and still have nightmares from dead bodies who were in the temple on top of the hill in Khao Lak and shocking photos of missing people.

 

It's graved into my brain. 

19 minutes ago, jenny2017 said:

Khao Lak

Three of my friends relatives died there . 

 

2 hours ago, balo said:

Hey the tsunami was in 2004 , I know its 14 years ago now , but I remember it as it was yesterday.  I also remember 9/11 as it was yesterday , difficult to forget .

We and our Thai family vacationed at Khao Lak in 2002 (2001?), rented a couple small but very nice bungalows.  Right by the beach in a flat spot about 1 meter above high tide.

 

Our son had just joined the US Marine Corps Reserves after 9/11.  Last chance vacation.  Our favorite spot was a bit of national park on the beach to the south end of that flat area.  2004, BAM, tsunami.  January 2005, BAM, our son gets killed in Iraq.

 

Khao Lak pic:

 

 

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5 hours ago, Different said:

So, if it was not the foreigners divers, the kids would be dead!?

Correct

15 hours ago, SimonD said:

Seeing as none of the boys or their 'coach' could swim, mandatory swimming lessons at primary school level would be a good start...

My son's school has a pool and he's had swimming lessons weekly for the last 2 years. Still can't swim a stroke.

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My son's school has a pool and he's had swimming lessons weekly for the last 2 years. Still can't swim a stroke.

That’s your fault/responsibility IMO. Not something I’d be proud of or advertise.


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13 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:


That’s your fault/responsibility IMO. Not something I’d be proud of or advertise.


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Believe me I have tried to teach my son to swim but every time I throw him in the pool he just sinks to the bottom. My wife gets very annoyed and has banned me from teaching him.

Believe me I have tried to teach my son to swim but every time I throw him in the pool he just sinks to the bottom. My wife gets very annoyed and has banned me from teaching him.

I used to find incentives (read: blackmail) helps!


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19 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

Cancel the subs and buy some real fire/search and rescue equipment and training. 

 

Prevention is the key. Strong warning signs placed inside cave warning of impending death might have caused one of the boys to question their coach for example and prevented the debacle. Also accountability when an adult placed a child in harm's way causing death or injury is nonexistent in this country. Somehow it's always blamed on the Buddhs or bad luck in this culture. 

15 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Common sense would tell most not to do whatever (such as pulling out of a side turning onto a main road without looking), but that is entirely absent in Thailand so they need to be taught.

Common sense, is one thing you can't teach.

21 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Thailand has more generals than the US....  and they put a Lieutenant in charge of this?  I guess that shows the priority given to emergencies and safety in Thailand!

 

Or... possibly... it shows that most of these generals' stars are not exactly gained through merit, skills, courage, dedication, intelligence, achievements and all those old-fashioned things ?

 

Personally, if I got stuck in a cave I certainly would much rather have a competent Lieutenant in charge of the rescue rather than a [ù&$#~%] Operetta General ... Ya know, the kind that wear sunglasses and a smirk (not to mention a big fat gold watch) whatever the place and time ...

 

 

 

"Thailand had faced a major tragedy in 2006 when the country was hit by the world’s deadliest tsunami, causing the loss of thousands of lives."

 

Strange... I remember pretty well it was in 2004. 

Just tell Thais there are ghosts in the cave m and they will not enter again . 

 

Just tell Thais there are ghosts in the cave m and they will not enter again . 
 

Good idea!!


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