Thai 20-year strategy 'at risk of being outdated'

[Jonmarleesco]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

The Thai Army, however, has looked east in recent years, purchasing more weapons from China as it was cost effective. 

Gotta love the cost-effective terminology. But cheap is cheap. 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Such mandate presents no threat to the military.

The junta drafted constitution includes wider scope for extended military oversight and prospective intervention in democratic political affairs. It reserves discretionary authority for the military to intervene in elected politics, effectively setting a lever that the military authorities may at their discretion pull at any point in the tenure of an elected government – tantamount to a constitutionally authorized coup.

https://asiafoundation.org/2016/05/18/two-years-thailands-coup-draft-constitution-stirs-controversy/

I disagree. If a political party won a resounding election victory I think the military would think twice before taking power after x years of military rule.

But it all depends on the mood in the country and the desperation of the old elite.

[trainman34014]

No Problemo; the Big Pumpkin will extend it to a 40 or 60 year strategy !

[habanero]

4 hours ago, Becker said:

HRC won the popular vote by 3 million so the "people" are definitively against the Swamp King currently infesting the WH. Civil war? A few potbellied NRA members won't be much of a challenge for the authorities and good riddance.

 

Back on topic:

Any 20 year strategy implemented by a military junta can and should be discarded as soon as free elections have been held. There will be opposition from the junta stacked senate but the new elected and legal government should play hardball and threaten to resign if blocked by the junta puppets in the senate.

With a fresh mandate from the electorate the old guard will hopefully back off (for now).

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    "A few potbellied NRA members won't be much of a challenge for the authorities and good riddance".

 

Since you brought it up, what authority would that be?

 

 The NRA is probably the most unbiased organization in the USA. If you can legally own a firearm you are welcome to join, no other requirements or demographic info is requested.

Everything from white old men, that you likely imagine, to young black women, and even transgender and homosexual folks. rock stars and porn stars, even Hollywood actors all the way down to the everyday farmer or burger flipper, even politicians and doctors, upper-crust professors, and a lot of veterans.

No discrimination in the ranks, none of us in the NRA cares what anyone is as long as they respect civil rights and don't wish to restrict anyone theirs, even their first amendment rights, not just their second amendment rights, you’ll be welcomed

[humbug]

i'd much rather have the US be in charge than the Chinese State any day of the week

 

i am sure a few Rhinos and Elephants grazing on the Savannahs will agree with me

Edited July 24, 2018 by humbug

[manchega]

us is insignificant to thai strategy.

 

the strategy is for the thai army to be able to coup out any time it feels the urge.

 

thus from its ballons, its air craft carriers, its 3 or is it 5? fighter jets and its submarine (s?) the military can come and tell the general population that they are full of shit and should listen to military or be locked up for attitude adjustment.

[wvavin]

Outdated? Sorry, they never realized!

[Becker]

25 minutes ago, habanero said:

    "A few potbellied NRA members won't be much of a challenge for the authorities and good riddance".

 

Since you brought it up, what authority would that be?

 

 The NRA is probably the most unbiased organization in the USA. If you can legally own a firearm you are welcome to join, no other requirements or demographic info is requested.

Everything from white old men, that you likely imagine, to young black women, and even transgender and homosexual folks. rock stars and porn stars, even Hollywood actors all the way down to the everyday farmer or burger flipper, even politicians and doctors, upper-crust professors, and a lot of veterans.

No discrimination in the ranks, none of us in the NRA cares what anyone is as long as they respect civil rights and don't wish to restrict anyone theirs, even their first amendment rights, not just their second amendment rights, you’ll be welcomed

You mean as opposed to e.g. the Democratic Party or the GOP or the Red Cross or the Catholic Church where strict rules regarding who can become members apply??

 

 

[observer90210]

All this is very nice. Great article (on which I understood only the 1st three sentences).....so what will all this militard crap,  change for my visa extension issues ? ??

[lvr181]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

the desperation of the old elite.

They have been around for 600 years - they are not going to give that up easily!

[Media1]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Such mandate presents no threat to the military.

The junta drafted constitution includes wider scope for extended military oversight and prospective intervention in democratic political affairs. It reserves discretionary authority for the military to intervene in elected politics, effectively setting a lever that the military authorities may at their discretion pull at any point in the tenure of an elected government – tantamount to a constitutionally authorized coup.

https://asiafoundation.org/2016/05/18/two-years-thailands-coup-draft-constitution-stirs-controversy/

The elected government must in detail televise the constitution to the nation. To make them awake to the extortion of a army that should not be involved in any man's language. THEN revolt the constitution and start again unfortunately 

[Becker]

57 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

They have been around for 600 years - they are not going to give that up easily!

I never said they'd give up. At best we can hope for a tactical retreat until such time that they again feel pressured into action due to threats to their access to the trough and total indemnity from any criminal acts they may perpetrate.

 

[chama]

12 hours ago, humbug said:

Civil War in the US is likely

Um, no. There are political mechanisms in the US system that would allow for changes in the political structure and those holding positions in the US government.  

[chama]

The world is a dynamic ever-changing place that any rigid 20 year plan is doomed to failure. If there are flexible standards and reactive policies it may have a chance. Anyone thinking they can put policy in place for 20 years is fooling themselves and should not be in a policy making position.

[candide]

17 minutes ago, chama said:

The world is a dynamic ever-changing place that any rigid 20 year plan is doomed to failure. If there are flexible standards and reactive policies it may have a chance. Anyone thinking they can put policy in place for 20 years is fooling themselves and should not be in a policy making position.

You are quite right but it is not the key issue. The key issue is the following: allegedly in order to make sure the plan is applied, supervision mechanisms controlled by the Military and the old elite have been included in the constitution. Practically it gives them extended power based on very vague justification, such as legally compel an elected government to apply their decisions, compel civil servants to apply their decisions or impeach a government.

As for modifying the constitution, it can only be done with the approval of 20% of MPs from EACH of the opposition parties. Practically, it means no modification if the pro-military parties don't back it.

[nong38]

15 hours ago, liberty9133 said:

Thai Strategy must take note of what the International Globalist Establishment wants:The Establishment has deemed China the manufacturer to the world. Trump is opposing that. They want Trump out. Until it is clear who wins this battle, perhaps Thailand should take a wait and see position.

    I think that the American people are behind Trump and that might be sufficient for him to win in the end. However, the Establishment and its puppets are in full control of much of the US Government. If they succeed, Civil War in the US is likely. If the people succeed, then full steam ahead for the entire world!

 

The Establishment are the true enemy of the people and every country seems to have one, Brexit has exposed the UK establishment and Trump is exposing the US one, more people are now seeing what is really going on where the real power is and where the money is as well.

[chama]

23 hours ago, candide said:

You are quite right but it is not the key issue. The key issue is the following: allegedly in order to make sure the plan is applied, supervision mechanisms controlled by the Military and the old elite have been included in the constitution. Practically it gives them extended power based on very vague justification, such as legally compel an elected government to apply their decisions, compel civil servants to apply their decisions or impeach a government.

As for modifying the constitution, it can only be done with the approval of 20% of MPs from EACH of the opposition parties. Practically, it means no modification if the pro-military parties don't back it.

That is a huge problem, no way the military will ever relinquish that authority willingly. Another reason strong consideration should be given to removing the person from office that would implement such a poorly thought out plan.